[Preemptive]

A note on LuneOS "radar": Sooner or later, legacy webOS devices will die due to battery failure (and no replacements), hardware failure or no more community updates to the software that keeps them usable. The idea of LuneOS radar is to keep a collective eye on the state of that project and also possible hardware with a view to eventual transition to LuneOS.

The User Group is not the webOS Ports team, although there is some overlap of members. We will necessarily follow the lead of the ports team and it may be that it will be obvious when the SW is 'ready'* and that the team may settle on a 'reference device'. However, it's more likely that the SW will develop from solid basics to more complex or unusual functions as new apps are created or refined. The appeal of LuneOS will also be wider if (via Lineage, Halium or PostmarketOS) it is available for a wide range of devices. So this project could:

1. Supply recommendations to users about the current state (usability and user experience) of LuneOS
2. Suggest a phone / tablet that offers an experience closest to legacy devices.
3. Port relevant projects or existing apps to LuneOS or even create new ones.
4. Recommend ways to transfer data and generally create a bridge to LuneOS for Legacy users or users other systems.

So suggestions for specific goals and even a better name are welcomed.
The webOS Ports team is small and will likely be focused on the 'core' system. What little success webOS had largely came from users developing apps and this will probably be needed for LuneOS to gain any traction. This is a process that could be encouraged by the user group.

*It's generally agreed that LuneOS is not yet ready and won't be with the next release, but there are a number of interesting possible devices appearing.

[Preemptive]

Summary of Meeting No. 29 of The webOS User Group, on November 10th 2019 at 1700 GMT / UTC. IRC: #webOS channel on Freenode.
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In essence, there were no updates except:

• 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others)
  A couple of additions to webOS Ports' checklist were noted and added to the testing thread.
• 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition
  Version 2.0 has been released. The Raspberry Pi 4 is the reference hardware.
• 5.4. Possible LuneOS "radar".
  There is a new release: Cafe Eggnog. The project was reported to be no where near beta status.
• 6. Priority Project Selection.
  The SSL Squid proxy can be considered complete and usable, so is no longer a priority. The TLS upgrade will retain priority status for now.
• 8. Date of next meeting.
  We've given ourselves a month and a half to get something done before the end of the year, so chose the 29th of December 2019 for the next meeting. Same time: 1700GMT.

The full log of the twenty seventh meeting is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20191111.txt: SUN November 10th

[Preemptive]

Proposed agenda for Meeting No. 30 of The webOS User Group, on December 29th 2019 at 1700 GMT / UTC. IRC: #webOS channel on Freenode. Instructions to register user (nick) name.
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The agenda is the same as the previous meeting, but I'm thinking that I might go back through old meetings and add any dormant projects in case there is anything to revive or even update.

• 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
• 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
• 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
• 4. Progress reports.
  
  • 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
    
    • 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker)
    • 4.1.2 Squid SSL Bump. (Nizovn)
  • 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito)
  • 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia)
  • 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie)
  • 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
    
    • 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
    • 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj)
    • 4.5.3. On device Help System.
    • 4.5.4. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
  • 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others)
    
    • 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive)
  • 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others)
  • 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
• 5. Discussion of other items.
  
  • 5.1. Device back up options.
  • 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes.
    
    • 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update?
  • 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition
  • 5.4. Possible LuneOS "radar".
• 6. Priority Project Selection.
• 7. Any other business.
• 8. Date of next meeting.

[Preemptive]

Bump: Next Sunday!

[dkirker]

I'm not 100% sure if I'll be able to make it, but I have made progress with updating OpenSSL! I'll share more info in the other thread.

-- Sent from my Palm Pre3 using Forums

[mazzinia]

I'm out at lunch ( invited ), so depends when we finish and how i manage to crawl back driving 40km :P

[dkirker]

Ok, so I won't be able to join as I will be out, but here's my update:

I got OpenSSL 1.0.2 compiled and working with minor tweaks. Good news is TLS 1.2 is supported. Getting OpenSSL 1.1.1 working would take more work. Will probably aim for that next.

The bad news... I am sure some other binaries are using OpenSSL in bad ways (directly accessing data in structures, putting structures on the stack or using them in ways which requires the structure size to be known by the user and not instead passing pointers). One of these happens to be Node... And the one structure it uses did increase between 0.9.8 and 1.0.*... So, I am in the process of upgrading Node so that this will work. So with any luck, I'll be done with that soon (I have nodejs from Open webOS running, but I just need to update the webOS node modules).

Once I have that, I need to build the ipks so that others can install. And then I need to setup a clean(er) make system.

I'm looking at a merging a couple of projects (OpenSSL-Updater and the OpenSSL Certificate Updater) to streamline some of this.

-- Sent from my Palm Pre3 using Forums

[Preemptive]

**PLEASE NOTE: NOTHING HERE SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A PROMISE AND NO TIME LINES WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. ANY PROGRESS WILL BE HELPED IF MORE PEOPLE OFFER ASSISTANCE.**

Summary of Meeting No. 30 of The webOS User Group, on December 29th 2019 at 1700 GMT / UTC. IRC: #webOS channel on Freenode.

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• 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
  There were 5 attendees.
• 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
  Skipped.
• 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
  Skipped.
• 4. Progress reports.
  
  • 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
    
    • 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker)
      dkirker reported progress on this thread (see the above post).
    • 4.1.2 Squid proxy for possible SSL workaround. (nizovn)
      No Updates.
  • 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito)
    Herrie will move this to his priority to do list to help bbito progress with makefiles.
  • 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia)
    No Updates.
  • 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie)
    No updates. Thread: Patch Portal Updates: post patch information here.
  • 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
    
    • 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj)
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.3. On device Help System.
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.4. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
      iswebosdeadyet.com will be transferred to Herrie / webOS-Internals. The redirect of weboscenter.com to pivotCE will be investigated with a view to fixing it.
  • 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others)
    No updates.
    
    • 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive)
      No updates. A strategy to progress this will likely be needed, which will mean having somewhere to store apps if we are able to acquire them.
  • 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others)
    No updates. There are no examples of reports on the current release thread that use the protocol.
  • 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
    Nizovn has made progress on the LS2 clipboard service.
• 5. Discussion of other items.
  
  • 5.1. Device back up options.
    No updates.
  • 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes.
    No updates.
    
    • 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update?
      No significant updates. It should be possible to install a VPN solution on some routers. The Slack team have released open-source code for mesh networking, but this exceeds the original webOS specification, it's unknown if this could be added easily. It may be more suitable for LuneOS.
  • 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition
    New release: Now at version 2.2.0. Firmware updates over the air are now included.
  • 5.4. LuneOS Radar.
    The webos-ports & webos-internals sites have been updated. The ports team is looking at LG's web runtime instead of qtwebengine and cleaning up the code. Preparations for Halium 8.1/9.* are on their way for newer porting targets and the PinePhone port is coming along nicely.
• 6. Priority Project Selection.
  No change.
• 7. Any other business.
  None
• 8. Date of next meeting.
  19th January 2020 1700GMT.

The full log of the thirtieth meeting is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20191230.txt: SUN December 29th.

A LIST OF USER GROUP PROJECTS

• Priority Project: UPGRADING TLS TO AT LEAST VERSION 1.2. - dkirker
• SQUID PROXY - nizovn
• LEGACY BROWSER PATCH (possibly as an option in the link menu) - Misj, Shuswap
• UPDATED META-DOCTORS (ideally with documentation) - Herrie, bbito
• UPDATED LOCATION SERVICE -Misj, mazzinia (this would likely co-ordinate with the meta-doctor project)
• PRESERVATION / RESTORATION OF SOURCES OF DOCUMENTATION (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS & 3rd party sources such as webOS101).
• FIND / IMPROVE DOCUMENTATION OF MOJO / ENYO Current documents here - Misj
• FIX THE webOS INTERNALS PATCH FEED OR MANAGE IT MANUALLY - novaldex, Herrie.
• webOS NATION APP GALLERY SUBMISSION AND ACCESS. - Preemptive
• SPECIFYING A POSSIBLE APP CATALOGUE. - Preemptive + others
• LUNEOS TESTING PROTOCOL. - Preemptive + others
• Qt CLIPBOARD PLUGIN. - pcworld, nivozn
• NIGHT MOVES APP - codepoet80 COMPLETED.
• INDEXING THE FTP APP SOURCE - JVLebbink1. COMPLETED.
• webOS MUSEUM - Misj' COMPLETED.
• webOS Qt5 SDK - nizovn. COMPLETED.
• QUPZILLA BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• Qt BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS TIME SERVICE. - dkirker, bbito COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS INTERNALS WIKI. - Novaldex COMPLETED.

[Preemptive]

More updates from dkirker:
Is the end of support for TLS 1.0 & 1.1 a problem? - webOS Nation Forums

Also, a minor thing I meant to bring up (but forgot). This poster mentions and error with a Preware clock feed. I've seen this problem and I think it might be a built in feed. https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-to...ml#post3456422 Maybe this feed needs fixing or disabling? I could find the person who did the recent preware updates maybe...

[Herrie]

More updates from dkirker:
Is the end of support for TLS 1.0 & 1.1 a problem? - webOS Nation Forums

Also, a minor thing I meant to bring up (but forgot). This poster mentions and error with a Preware clock feed. I've seen this problem and I think it might be a built in feed. https://forums.webosnation.com/hp-to...ml#post3456422 Maybe this feed needs fixing or disabling? I could find the person who did the recent preware updates maybe...

I did the last Preware updates

Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk

[Preemptive]

I did the last Preware updates

Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk

Ahhh! I'm confusing two similar things and was thinking of this: [Release] WebOS Quick Install v4.7.0u (for real this time) - webOS Nation Forums

[Preemptive]

Sorry, totally slipped my mind!

I suspect there's not much to report. I'm suggesting we just skip to the 16th of February.

[Preemptive]

I'm not clear on what the problem or solution is, but Lunetube has stopped working, so perhaps there might be some suggestions on Sunday.
Lunetube for LuneOS. Youtube client APP - webOS Nation Forums

[mazzinia]

Hello Preemptive,

about lunetube, mamisho mentioned working on it in the other thread

[Preemptive]

**PLEASE NOTE: NOTHING HERE SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A PROMISE AND NO TIME LINES WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. ANY PROGRESS WILL BE HELPED IF MORE PEOPLE OFFER ASSISTANCE.**

Summary of Meeting No. 31 of The webOS User Group, on February 16th 2020 at 1700 GMT / UTC. IRC: #webOS channel on Freenode.

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• 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
  There were 3 attendees.
• 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
  Skipped.
• 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
  Skipped.
• 4. Progress reports.
  
  • 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
    
    • 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker)
      dkirker reported some progress on the thread.
    • 4.1.2 Squid proxy for possible SSL workaround. (nizovn)
      No Updates. This remains the primary solution for now.
  • 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito)
    No Report.
  • 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia)
    No Updates.
  • 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie)
    No Report. Thread: Patch Portal Updates: post patch information here.
  • 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
    
    • 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj)
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.3. On device Help System.
      Skipped.
    • 4.5.4. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
      Skipped.
  • 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others)
    It was suggested that if the Pine phone gets up take, it might be a good time to push this forward. Pine might be worth contacting.
    
    • 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive)
      No updates.
  • 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others)
    No updates. It may be worth adding some 'hardware handling' items.
  • 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
    Updates have been merged and the plugin is available via Preware. It should work very well on pre3 (sym key as ctrl). More work will be needed to add menu options to the TouchPad.
• 5. Discussion of other items.
  
  • 5.1. Device back up options.
    No updates.
  • 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes.
    No reports.
    
    • 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update?
      No reports.
  • 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition
    New release: Now at version 2.3.0.
  • 5.4. LuneOS Radar.
    There were no reported developments
• 6. Priority Project Selection.
  No change.
• 7. Any other business.
  There was some discussion of possible ways to fix the Lunetube app, which has stopped working after changes by youtube.
• 8. Date of next meeting.
  15th March 2020 1700GMT.

The full log of the thirty first meeting is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20200217.txt: SUN February 16th.

A LIST OF USER GROUP PROJECTS

• Priority Project: UPGRADING TLS TO AT LEAST VERSION 1.2. - dkirker
• SQUID PROXY - nizovn
• LEGACY BROWSER PATCH (possibly as an option in the link menu) - Misj, Shuswap
• UPDATED META-DOCTORS (ideally with documentation) - Herrie, bbito
• UPDATED LOCATION SERVICE -Misj, mazzinia (this would likely co-ordinate with the meta-doctor project)
• PRESERVATION / RESTORATION OF SOURCES OF DOCUMENTATION (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS & 3rd party sources such as webOS101).
• FIND / IMPROVE DOCUMENTATION OF MOJO / ENYO Current documents here - Misj
• FIX THE webOS INTERNALS PATCH FEED OR MANAGE IT MANUALLY - novaldex, Herrie.
• webOS NATION APP GALLERY SUBMISSION AND ACCESS. - Preemptive
• SPECIFYING A POSSIBLE APP CATALOGUE. - Preemptive + others
• LUNEOS TESTING PROTOCOL. - Preemptive + others
• Qt CLIPBOARD PLUGIN. - pcworld, nivozn
• NIGHT MOVES APP - codepoet80 COMPLETED.
• INDEXING THE FTP APP SOURCE - JVLebbink1. COMPLETED.
• webOS MUSEUM - Misj' COMPLETED.
• webOS Qt5 SDK - nizovn. COMPLETED.
• QUPZILLA BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• Qt BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS TIME SERVICE. - dkirker, bbito COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS INTERNALS WIKI. - Novaldex COMPLETED.

[Preemptive]

Given my tendency to only focus on this stuff monthly (and forgetting progress), I've built a tracker page for the projects.

This shows status, possible future steps (where known) and past status updates. I think I've got all the headings and recent detail, but it will take a while to back-fill from all the past meeting summaries.

It should be easier to track project progress. I doubt it will work as a forum post, so I need to decide where to put it.

[Preemptive]

**PLEASE NOTE: NOTHING HERE SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A PROMISE AND NO TIME LINES WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. ANY PROGRESS WILL BE HELPED IF MORE PEOPLE OFFER ASSISTANCE.**

Summary of Meeting No. 32 of The webOS User Group, on March 15th 2020 at 1700 GMT / UTC. IRC: #webOS channel on Freenode.

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• 1. Attendees & Introductions of new attendees.
  There were 4 attendees.
• 2. Any proposed updates to the aims or rules of the group.
  Skipped.
• 3. Possible selection of officers or area contacts.
  Skipped.
• 4. Progress reports.
  
  • 4.1 TLS Fixes & Work-arounds
    
    • 4.1.1 Priority Project: Upgrading TLS to at least 1.2. (dkirker)
      No report.
    • 4.1.2 Squid proxy for possible SSL workaround. (nizovn)
      No Updates. This remains the primary solution for now.
  • 4.2. Updated meta-doctors. (Herrie, bbito)
    No Report.
  • 4.3. Updated location service. (Misj, mazzinia)
    No report.
  • 4.4. Fix the webos internals patch feed or manage it manually. (novaldex, Herrie)
    No Report. Thread: Patch Portal Updates: post patch information here.
  • 4.5. Preservation / Restoration of sources of documentation (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS, git.webos-internals.org & 3rd party sources such as webOS101). (All members in the sub-sections)
    
    • 4.5.1. Documentation policy.
      No Update.
    • 4.5.2. Find / improve documentation of mojo / enyo. (Misj)
      No report.
    • 4.5.3. On device Help System.
      A test still needs to be performed.
    • 4.5.4. Old domains associated with webOS. (Preemptive)
      No report.
  • 4.6. App Store Specification. (Preemptive + others)
    No report.
    
    • 4.6.1 webOS Nation App Gallery Submission And Access. (Preemptive)
      No updates.
  • 4.7 LuneOS testing protocol. (Preemptive / others)
    No updates.
  • 4.8 Qt Clipboard Plugin. (pcworld, nizovn)
    No report.
• 5. Discussion of other items.
  
  • 5.1. Device back up options.
    No updates.
  • 5.2. webOS Vulnerabilities and Fixes.
    No updates.
    
    • 5.2.1. Does the VPN app need an update?
      No updates.
  • 5.3. LG's webOS Open Source Edition
    No updates.
  • 5.4. LuneOS Radar.
    There were no reported developments.
• 6. Priority Project Selection.
  No change.
• 7. Any other business.
  A new version of Qt browser will be released with downloading support.
  It was suggested that as people stay at home due to the corona virus, we could promote the idea that they could work on webOS / LuneOS projects as a use for their spare time.
• 8. Date of next meeting.
  19th April 2020 1700GMT.

The full log of the thirty second meeting is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos/webos.20200316.txt: SUN March 15th.

A LIST OF USER GROUP PROJECTS

• Priority Project: UPGRADING TLS TO AT LEAST VERSION 1.2. - dkirker
• SQUID PROXY - nizovn
• LEGACY BROWSER PATCH (possibly as an option in the link menu) - Misj, Shuswap
• UPDATED META-DOCTORS (ideally with documentation) - Herrie, bbito
• UPDATED LOCATION SERVICE -Misj, mazzinia (this would likely co-ordinate with the meta-doctor project)
• PRESERVATION / RESTORATION OF SOURCES OF DOCUMENTATION (including original Palm documents, Open WebOS & 3rd party sources such as webOS101).
• FIND / IMPROVE DOCUMENTATION OF MOJO / ENYO Current documents here - Misj
• FIX THE webOS INTERNALS PATCH FEED OR MANAGE IT MANUALLY - novaldex, Herrie.
• webOS NATION APP GALLERY SUBMISSION AND ACCESS. - Preemptive
• SPECIFYING A POSSIBLE APP CATALOGUE. - Preemptive + others
• LUNEOS TESTING PROTOCOL. - Preemptive + others
• Qt CLIPBOARD PLUGIN. - pcworld, nivozn
• NIGHT MOVES APP - codepoet80 COMPLETED.
• INDEXING THE FTP APP SOURCE - JVLebbink1. COMPLETED.
• webOS MUSEUM - Misj' COMPLETED.
• webOS Qt5 SDK - nizovn. COMPLETED.
• QUPZILLA BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• Qt BROWSER - nizovn COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS TIME SERVICE. - dkirker, bbito COMPLETED.
• FIX THE WEBOS INTERNALS WIKI. - Novaldex COMPLETED.

[Preemptive]

Oh, sorry! I had a lot on and completely forgot.

[Fred Zyphal]

Oh, sorry! I had a lot on and completely forgot.

You do soooooo much for us ... No need to be sorry.

[Preemptive]

Reserved for an agenda update