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  1.    #1  
    I'm having trouble with connectivity, and very glad to see webosnation is still alive.

    But are any of you still using a device on T-Mo, and getting better than Edge speeds?

    Even though I've begrudgingly migrated to Android for my DD, my TPad and Veer are still my favorite Pandora streamers. The pad is on wifi no problem, but my Veer seems to only be receiving Edge now. I'm on epc.tmobile. I've tried wap.voicestream and fast.t-mobile, neither improve.

    Edit: just switched to internet2.voicestream per my own historical advice. No help.

    I've read that t-mo is phasing out UMTS service on certain bands, making me think t-mo is no longer an option for us without the 1700 band.

    Any input on this subject?

    Is everyone still getting H+ speeds through an ATT mvno? Suggestions are welcome for a carrier. If i can't get Pandora commercial free anymore, then it may finally be time to put the Veer to bed for good with my Pre3.

    I hope everyone is doing well. I miss the good ol days, i really do.
    Last edited by TJs11thPre; 02/11/2018 at 11:14 PM.
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  2. #2  
    Hey TJ! Was wondering about you recently. I don't have a T-mo sim anymore, so not sure about that, but I still get HSPA on Tracfone in my Pre3, and I think the Veer too even though it says 3G. I don't have an active Straight Talk sim anymore. I went to Tracfone pay as you go so I wouldn't have a monthly cost for something I only use as a testing or goofing around sim.
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  3.    #3  
    I've been searching for info on this for a few days, on Howard forums mostly.

    What I've learned is T-Mo is cutting into their H+ service as they spread LTE onto the 1900 band. That leaves anyone using a non-tmo phone with only Edge, unless it is LTE also.

    But I've heard plenty of people say they're getting H+ on ATT network whenever they lose LTE, so ATT and some of its mvnos are still an option for a Pre3 or Veer.

    I'm assuming everyone using these devices at all, are on ATT now. Not much feedback yet to confirm this besides you.

    So I'm stuck with Edge and of course no MMS if i stay on t-mo. Which technically it's barely ok for streaming Pandora, which works at 128kbps and I'm testing at 200 kbps.

    Not quite dial up speeds... Close though. Lame. But i can't really afford to switch. The t-mo card was a gift so free Edge will have to do.

    I also finally stopped receiving all Gmail via webOS apps; It keeps asking for ID checks so i just deleted the accounts. Are you still connected? I gave up.

    I kinda want to sell my devices because i could use $ but these are my old friends and i don't want to give them up. They're all in perfect condition still. I do feel bad my Pre3 is in a box. It's all still so depressing for me.

    All phone makers and carriers suck. I despise the whole industry now. Lol

    I hope all is well with you.
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
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    Don't give up! If nothing else, they are mementos of a better time. I think I'm going to swap to my FrankenPre2 for a little while here soon. I don't do it often as I hate having to take the modem out to activate it.

    Yes, still getting gmail on most all of my webOS devices. I have them all patched as needed, a couple different ways for testing both for the benefit of others here.
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  5. #5  
    Wow. People are still here. Dropping in because my wife's Pre2 started having some battery problems and wondering if anyone had the cure.

    Grabber, you still doing those certificate update scripts?
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  6. #6  
    Quote Originally Posted by kwarner View Post
    Wow. People are still here. Dropping in because my wife's Pre2 started having some battery problems and wondering if anyone had the cure.

    Grabber, you still doing those certificate update scripts?
    The scripts became an app! It is still useful in some circumstances, but there is now a fix for the whole certificate issue usable for most configurations. See the Service pack link in the signature for this and other fixes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarner View Post
    Wow. People are still here. Dropping in because my wife's Pre2 started having some battery problems and wondering if anyone had the cure.

    Grabber, you still doing those certificate update scripts?
    I tried to reply to this last night on my PC, but Chrome was balking that the page was trying to load remote scripts insecurely. I fired up my last FrankenPre2 recently and battery life seems terrible, but I'm starting to think I forgot how bad it was, because I can't find anything strange in the logs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    The scripts became an app! It is still useful in some circumstances, but there is now a fix for the whole certificate issue usable for most configurations. See the Service pack link in the signature for this and other fixes.
    I wouldn't have thought to say this, because I thought he was talking about the app, but I think you're right. I actually forgot it started life as a script and manual update process. Life moves on, eh?
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    Has it been that long ago? Yes, I remember the certificates as a script. I think I helped you debug the early versions. Gotta find that app now and see how well it works and get my wife connected to email again. Moved her to my last good Pre3. I think the Pre2 is a goner. *sigh* RIP. I wonder how long my Palm collection will be working? After being away on Windows Phone and Android for the past several years, still amazed how smooth the WebOS interface works. *sniff*
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    Hi all! Nice to see you guys are still keeping the lights on around here.

    My Pre2 woke up from a nap today and reminded me to stop by and say hello.

    It's been sleeping on its bedpost TStone all this time, and occasionally wakes up after a power outage recovery. It still receives Microsoft Hotmail without issue, but i gave up on Gmail and deleted the accounts. I may have needed acert update, idk.

    My TPad has been running continually on its TStone all this time as well. It never shuts off, i use it as a desk clock. I'm amazed it still plays Pandora but it has the pause problem so i use the Apollo app. What a good little device to just keep plugging along.

    I read you could put AOSP Pie on it, but i really still hate Android so much i couldn't dare contaminate such a clean device. Meanwhile my Veer and Pre3 are still like new in their boxes. I had them on display but i got tired of feeling bad about wiping the dust off. I'm still using a BB Priv w PKB and it's no webOS but it's getting me by.

    I hope you are all doing well. I would check into your next online meet if i wasn't scheduled to be on a plane to DC that exact day. I'm glad to see LuneOS still gets updated, although i never really understood what to do with it, it's all over my head.

    I hope you all have a good Thanksgiving if you're in the US, or a happy Christmas and happy any other holidays you celebrate too. I still miss the good days, but enough bad stuff in general has made me finally accept that good days never actually come back.

    Maybe one of you will prove me wrong someday and make a 2020 webOS metadoctor! (hint)

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    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
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    Nice read

    My frankenpre 2 also sits on my desk on its Touchstone charger reminding me of the good old days but sadly a little over a year ago I took my TP off the stand so my nephew can play some great games I had on it and he let it die and it never recovered. I put it away for a while and when I decided to give it another try I took it out of the original box and the battery had swelled to dangerous size

    Scary stuff
    32G Touchpad
    iphone 5 on sprint wouldn't leave a good relationship
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    Quote Originally Posted by kataran View Post
    I put it away for a while and when I decided to give it another try I took it out of the original box and the battery had swelled to dangerous size

    Scary stuff
    People have gotten hold of replacement TP batteries in the past. I don't know what the chances are now. I don't know if it was a TP-specific item or a generic part. Perhaps even a similar item could be substituted? Another tablet battery that could fit the gap?
  12.    #12  
    Hi all, today my Pre2 started reporting my Hotmail security cert expired. I was getting mail as recently as yesterday. I tried to run the cert grabber app but it failed out.

    Any advice?
    Last edited by TJs11thPre; 01/09/2020 at 08:36 AM.
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  13. #13  
    I think for e-mail accounts, you should be able to manually download the current security certificate from Hotmail, and then install it on your Pre2.

    But I'm not 100% sure on this.

    -- Sent from my TouchPad using Communities
  14. #14  
    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    Hi all, today my Pre2 started reporting my Hotmail security cert expired. I was getting mail as recently as yesterday. I tried to run the cert grabber app but it failed out.

    Any advice?
    Here is the manual method: https://pivotce.com/2015/03/05/guide-fixing-yahoo-mail/

    It maybe the certgrabber does do Hotmail and that the problem is a newer one one like the TLS bump... Check the service pack (SSL upgrade) & user group links - the latter for TLS upgrade (not yet ready) or Squid bump.
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    Ok, i have openssl and certgrabber installed. Certgrabber failed to connect the first try, which is when i posted, but just now seems to have connected and downloaded a list. But that didn't fix Hotmail.

    So i went to this pivotce link on a tablet, and saw an install button. This made me think i should visit the site directly with the webos device, so i put in preware.pivotce.com

    Is the Preware app dead?

    I tried installing on the phone, it kept failing and asking to trust plenty of certs. Then i could see sslbump as a choice. I tried to install but it failed. I tried a few more times and this killed my phone's battery in about the time it's taken to type this reply so now I'm waiting for phone to recover before trying again.

    Am i doing this right?
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  16.    #16  
    When did Preware move to pivotce? Can the app be used anymore to update other apps or is it obsolete?
    Can i install from pivotce directly to the webos device, or must i use wosqi through a windows device. I'm very confused.
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  17.    #17  
    The preware app is not discovering anything with squid or bump in it. And at preware.pivot, the install button is failing to go to load gitlab.com...4.8...ipk
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  18. #18  
    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    Ok, i have openssl and certgrabber installed.
    The former was the fix, so you shouldn't need the latter. Did you include the cert bundle? That is also now old, so I don't know how near or passed we are on those expiry dates, but I expect a new cert bundle can be delivered if that is a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    So i went to this pivotce link on a tablet, and saw an install button. This made me think i should visit the site directly with the webos device, so i put in preware.pivotce.com
    Should work, but what link? Squid bump?

    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    Is the Preware app dead?
    Not that I'm aware of.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    I tried installing on the phone, it kept failing and asking to trust plenty of certs.
    Er... see above?

    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    Am i doing this right?
    The most basic option is to use the manual process from the Yahoo Mail article to get Hotmail certs (same process, different servers). I think in theory, the SSL update should solve certificate problems if the root cert bundle is still current. The next and most recent problem is the transport upgrade. The current work around is the Squid bump, was acts as a TLS2 proxy. A more fundamental fix (TLS1-2 at system level) is being worked on.

    The over-arching problem is that every upgrade to web technologies, the internet & mobile OS means someone has to upgrade Legacy webOS. Amazingly, that has happened almost every time so far, but these items have to be 'manually' installed, with any updates monitored by users and some of it gets quite hacky as legacy webOS doesn't support every new technology (which ether means significant work on the OS itself or an upgrade that may not be possible due to lack of memory). webOS is partially proprietary, so no 'full-upgrade' is going to happen because of that, because there aren't enough people with enough time and because the H/W is almost a decade old. The project here is to keep plugging the holes and bolting on fixes until we can migrate to LuneOS. It's far easier for that project to adapt and incorporate developments (if open-source) as they are common to many other projects and use a base system of either an Android or pure Linux kernel that can run on current H/W.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    When did Preware move to pivotce? Can the app be used anymore to update other apps or is it obsolete?
    Can i install from pivotce directly to the webos device, or must i use wosqi through a windows device. I'm very confused.
    pivotCE holds a few apps, but most of the listings are of the Preware (or other) feeds. As above, the install button should start Preware on a webOS device, or you can use a PC to download the IPK and install using WOSQI under java or transferring the IPK to the device over USB and using Preware to install from the local file.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJs11thPre View Post
    The preware app is not discovering anything with squid or bump in it. And at preware.pivot, the install button is failing to go to load gitlab.com...4.8...ipk
    You may need to install the feed in preware ("manage feeds"). Check the Squid bump thread.

    Remember: I am only speculating on what your actual problem is and I'm not a technical expert.
  19.    #19  
    It sounds like you're saying i should be able to install squid bump directly to webOS device using Preware as usual, but that i need a new feed? The feed must be manually added and is in the squid bump thread? I'll look there.
    I don't understand why i couldn't install from the preware.pivot site. It showed the ipk address in the bar, but wouldn't begin download.

    Thanks for your help. I'm glad you're still here. I'll try to add that feed and run the squid thing. Idk why the cert grabber app is not just handling it like it used to.
    Sporting my 13th Pre device, a NOS unlocked ROW Pre3!
  20. #20  
    No, I think you have to download it on your PC. I haven't read the instructions in a while, so I don't know if you can use WOSQI, or if you have to copy it to your phone and use Preware.
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