[hparsons]

Sprint would be losing money due to kickbacks from game developers (ie. GameLoft. who happens to be a big player).

This is really beginning to get funny. So tell me, the stories about the oil companies paying the car companies not to develop cars that run on water are true too, right?

As far as The God conveying this information, it is rather a god of different sorts.

What, Steve Jobs told you?

[AFLORES]

Youtube has nothing to do with any efforts by Sprint, Verizon, or any other carrier. It recognizes the browser, and redirects you. That's because that's what Youtube wanted done. What you're saying would require all of the Flash sites to but the same sort of filter. That's not in their interests.

You really need to do a little more research before you make such pronouncements.

More pertinent information will be posted tomorrow. Keep in mind this is not a 'surf patrol/parental filter' by the carrier, it will be directly embedded in the custom plugin built around WebOS.

[Darth Mo#WN]

Might would work on the Pixi, but not on the Pre, Pre Plus, or the Pixi Plus. They have WiFi. Sprint can't block traffic that goes over WiFi.

This is one of the most nonsensical threads I've seen. Sprint and Verizion aren't competing for apps, because they aren't selling them.

I suspect this thread was started by a disgruntled iPhone user that is is suffering from phone-envy.

I think the OP was inferring that app developers pay a "kickback" to the carriers so that the carriers block access to certain Flash content so that people would have to buy apps instead.

However, I could see limiting some sites, say a TV network website that have full TV episodes available, to conserve bandwidth. So not some conspiracy to squeeze money out of customers, just trying to maintain network integrity. WiFi would be fine as you wouldn't be clogging up Sprint's or VZW's network at all.

[AFLORES]

I think the OP was inferring that app developers pay a "kickback" to the carriers so that the carriers block access to certain Flash content so that people would have to buy apps instead.

However, I could see limiting some sites, say a TV network website that have full TV episodes available, to conserve bandwidth. So not some conspiracy to squeeze money out of customers, just trying to maintain network integrity. WiFi would be fine as you wouldn't be clogging up Sprint's or VZW's network at all.

Yes. Exactly..

[detroitkruk]

So, can any of you genius' tell me the rationale Palm may have used to justify releasing a slow, buggy, OS/UI experience only to deliver micro-improvement after micro-improvement but NEVER getting close to the segment leader's experience?

Also, many here believed Flash to be a foregone conclusion for webOS. Wrong. There's something ugly happening in the back offices folks. Something ain't right with this whole "demo'ing flash for months on a Pre then all of the sudden it's packaged into another mobile OS"

detroitkruk

[badjokes]

my palm pre isn't slow or buggy. it isn't perfect, but im happy with it!

[glevitan]

My Palm is perfect!

[djmcgee]

My Pre is lovely I just don't understand all the comments about laggy, buggy, etc. I have really had no problems with my pre that I didn't cause. I don't run stock but my wife does and our Pre's are very similar in stability and responsiveness.

Keep in perspective that Flash is an Adobe product, not a Palm product, and has been delayed for all mobile devices, not just WebOS. Also, Flash is having trouble on other fronts in regards to being a resource hog - specifically applies to Apple and Linux operating systems.

[toasterthegamer]

So, can any of you genius' tell me the rationale Palm may have used to justify releasing a slow, buggy, OS/UI experience only to deliver micro-improvement after micro-improvement but NEVER getting close to the segment leader's experience?

Also, many here believed Flash to be a foregone conclusion for webOS. Wrong. There's something ugly happening in the back offices folks. Something ain't right with this whole "demo'ing flash for months on a Pre then all of the sudden it's packaged into another mobile OS"

detroitkruk

First my pre is fine! I have never had any speed issues unless I was running a 3D game and tried to do some stuff. Which was understandable! Second each update has improved performance and overall quality of the device.

You have to realize that it hasn't even been a year since the pre was released. It takes time to improve an OS its not something you can just get perfect on the first try. Example: Take a look at windows is it perfect? no but microsoft updates it regularly to improve it. Same with linux and the same with a mac

As for flash, Adobe has been known for being late on release dates and they even said they were going to make flash for other devices other then the pre. Its not some conspiracy from palm and adobe, its just how adobe works!

-Toaster

[powerbyte#AC]

wow...just wow...

[blu8503]

So, can any of you genius' tell me the rationale Palm may have used to justify releasing a slow, buggy, OS/UI experience only to deliver micro-improvement after micro-improvement but NEVER getting close to the segment leader's experience?

Also, many here believed Flash to be a foregone conclusion for webOS. Wrong. There's something ugly happening in the back offices folks. Something ain't right with this whole "demo'ing flash for months on a Pre then all of the sudden it's packaged into another mobile OS"

detroitkruk

dude what are you talking about!, WebOS is a better experience than anything else on the market, 2nd only maybe to the Iphone. Android sucks in comparison

[hparsons]

More pertinent information will be posted tomorrow. Keep in mind this is not a 'surf patrol/parental filter' by the carrier, it will be directly embedded in the custom plugin built around WebOS.

So, I want to be sure I understand. Adobe has partnered with Palm to build the new mobile Flash, and has agreed to have Palm disable it for them.

And Adobe cooperated in this venture because ... ???

BTW, this is nothing like the previous example you gave of YouTube. If you're going to come up with off the wall conspiracy theories, you'll further your credibility if you at least remain consistent.

[hatchettjack]

this is how i see it.. with the advent of the smartphone, in particular webos, phone companies are seeing the possibility of the phone replacing laptop computers. sprint for instance makes a fortune off their internet cards for laptops at 60 bucks a pop.. so it is only in the phone companies best interest to limit the function of a phone to keep the laptop viable.

[the_lane]

lololololol
No.

[theweaselslayer]

I would like everyone to know that this thread gives me gas.

That is all.

[netwrkr9]

Don't know what you are talking about, love my pre.

[frankwhite8536]

I am new to Palm, and I love my Pre. BUT, only for the customization I can do. I run Preware and check for updates at least every day. Not that it will change much, but just to see.

Now with that said, m Pre is a POS. I have 2 or 3 scratches (I think they're scratches) that annoy me every once in a while, I got the white dots near the gesture area, and the thing won't work unless I keep the two slips of paper wedged in to the battery compartment. I have the BestBuy warranty, but I haven't brought myself to terms with parting with my Pre for 2 weeks while they send it out.

Also, the software side of things. My Pre is slow sometimes. Not always, but maybe 25% I click on things and I don't get instant gratification. Not a big deal, unless I'm trying to dial someone and I keep hitting buttons and nothering happens, then all of a sudden, everything does. that and the crappy touchscreen. I'll get my zoom scale all right, pan to the right location, and then as soon as I let go of the screen, ZOOM! i'm not at the bottom of the page. Grrr..

BUT I LOVE MY PRE.

[JoaoMachado]

I completely agree with detroitkruk, I purchased the very first one when it came out where I live, for my wife, and I purchased one for myself two weeks later. I love the user interface, WebOS is the most well designed phone interface, period! The problem is that it is slow...yes slow, answering a phone call takes for ever! Hardware wise it is the same as the iPhone, have you compared the speed between the two, it is rediculous. The lag time between operations on the Palm is ridiculously slow at times. "Too many cards" open when there is only one app running? A co-wroker just got the Nexus one and wow, smooth and snappy..it's a shame but if Palm does not fix this issue, in three months when I am due for my Premier Account upgrade, I will be moving to Android, sadly.

[AFLORES]

So, I want to be sure I understand. Adobe has partnered with Palm to build the new mobile Flash, and has agreed to have Palm disable it for them.

And Adobe cooperated in this venture because ... ???

BTW, this is nothing like the previous example you gave of YouTube. If you're going to come up with off the wall conspiracy theories, you'll further your credibility if you at least remain consistent.

The YouTube invocation is to shed light that, yes- there can be limitations placed to retain paid content from being utilized for free (streaming music videos).

Adobe Systems has cooperated due to the incessant nature of providers. This watered-down version is something many people (shareholders, direct project managers) are disenfranchised over.

[badjokes]

I completely agree with detroitkruk, I purchased the very first one when it came out where I live, for my wife, and I purchased one for myself two weeks later. I love the user interface, WebOS is the most well designed phone interface, period! The problem is that it is slow...yes slow, answering a phone call takes for ever! Hardware wise it is the same as the iPhone, have you compared the speed between the two, it is rediculous. The lag time between operations on the Palm is ridiculously slow at times. "Too many cards" open when there is only one app running? A co-wroker just got the Nexus one and wow, smooth and snappy..it's a shame but if Palm does not fix this issue, in three months when I am due for my Premier Account upgrade, I will be moving to Android, sadly.

yes they have been compared, and there practically identical. iPhone 3GS is only slightly faster.