[Herrie]

Hmmm...

Yes, it seems like a stretch. Maybe if/when LuneOS is optimised, but as far as I can tell, it's 3-4 operating systems stuck together, which I doubt makes it compact, though perhaps no worse than most modern operating systems which are all developments of earlier work rather than being built 'from the ground up'.

I took a look at the feasibility document. It was written in 2013. Even the N4 outstrips this spec.

That said, shoe-horning newer boards into existing casings is an interesting approach. Hardware specs are a moving target, so I suppose there is a chance that they could jump to a newer generation without too many difficulties. It might be worth keeping an eye on this.

I don't understand why they didn't got for TI OMAP 4th or 5th gen instead of 3rd. Would have already made quite some difference. Galaxy Nexus has a 4th gen and that's already a bit slow. It's not impossible, but it's nowhere where it should be performance wise. 1GB of RAM is also little. Not impossible, just far from ideal.


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[Preemptive]

Given the RPi port, I was also looking at, https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/compute-module/
Only 512Mb of RAM, but 4Gb SD card equivalent on board. There may be a newer version due, not sure.
There is also now 64bit Linux for the RPi3: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/sus...-raspberry-pi/

[RfromR]

Finally a sign of life from Puzzlephone (mentioned earlier in this thread):

PuzzlePhone

[eblade]

We don't need Android hardware or Cyanogen, just the problem is that the chipset and hardware manufacturers only offer binary blob drivers for Android in general so we're forced to use a very stripped down Android version & libhybris in order to be able to use the device for our needs. If there's a device with a proper linux kernel & drivers (like the Raspberry Pi etc) it removes quite some complexity and layers from a port :-)


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so... out of curiosity, has anyone messed with Intel tablet or tablet-convertible PCs ?

[mazzinia]

so... out of curiosity, has anyone messed with Intel tablet or tablet-convertible PCs ?

You mean one of those Atom Z8x00 tablets ? or actually a real pc ( example Thinkpad X6xt , X2x0t ) ?

[eblade]

You mean one of those Atom Z8x00 tablets ? or actually a real pc ( example Thinkpad X6xt , X2x0t ) ?

Either or both, or whatever. Presumably some touch-screen Windows PC / Tablet thing. Seems like an easy target?

[mazzinia]

I would assume yes.

[eblade]

I would assume yes.

.... so it would make sense to me, that there should? be? an Intel image that can run from usb.. :-)

[Grabber5.0]

I don't get how that would be possible. Why would there be Android device drivers for a Windows tablet? It would probably run poorly in the emulator on such a device.

[eblade]

I don't get how that would be possible. Why would there be Android device drivers for a Windows tablet? It would probably run poorly in the emulator on such a device.

If there's a device with a proper linux kernel & drivers (like the Raspberry Pi etc) it removes quite some complexity and layers from a port

Basically, an emulator build running on the hardware, instead of on the emulator. Probably with a whole bunch of extra hardware support. Is something like that doable?

[Preemptive]

Well, if I can view this forum using an Intel machine running linux, what prevents a build using the Linux drivers? Isn't this the idea (rather than emulation)? I believe LuneOS can already work with mouse & keyboard, though obviously it's designed for touch. I not aware if there are Linux options for touchscreen PCs, intel tablets or hybrids like the Surface. As it's a mobile OS, I assume tablets and hybrids would be the focus here.

Obviously, the overwhelming majority of non-Apple mobile devices are Android and libhybris allows targeting some of those. I'm not clear what penalties occur when using the Android/Linux kernel with Libhybris compared to straight embedded Linux and I wouldn't be surprised if the Surface was locked down to windows, but there may be (low priority) possibilities for a port to Intel H/W. As a Cyanogenmod port is a good sign of a possible LuneOS target, perhaps an available Linux distro could be a similar sign for an x86 tablet/hybrid device.

When all that is said however, the recent demo of windows on snapdragon may mark the begining of the end for x86, making the whole question irrelevant.

[Preemptive]

This thread from richip points out that Librem are making a phone: http://forums.webosnation.com/upcomi...ibrem-5-a.html
I see there's also a tablet...

[Novaldex]

Someone forwarded me this link earlier, but it does look a rather tempting device..

Gemini

Designed by the same people that designed the original Psion devices (yes, it has been a couple of years..)

[Preemptive]

My old Treo had a flip lid with the earpiece in the top, so it was roughly phone shaped when open. I had the Graffiti version, not the keyboard. A friend gave me an old mda, but I didn't do much with it as I preferred the Palm (& Hotsync > Activesync).

Psion devices were a bit before my time, but this looks good - it could be a really nice LuneOS device.

But is it a phone? How do you put it to your ear? If it was like the MDA, with the screen on top and a slide out landscape keyboard, I'd be sold. I realise they are going for a Palm-top with GSM capability...

Hmmm...

[mazzinia]

Gemini is not a phone, even if in a way the 4G version could be used as one.
But has the wrong form factor to be used as a phone... wrong screen orientation, and you need to open it to use the screen.

it's nothing more than a mini laptop, and there are already various out there

[RfromR]

An update on the modular PuzzlePhone:
PuzzlePhone
Patience...

[Preemptive]

Necunos is open for orders (you only need €1199)...

NOTE: Necunos NC_1 is an engineering unit. It does not have cellular modem or SIM-card slot. It will ship with your choice of software. You are in control of the software running on the NC_1 and Necuno Solutions is not liable for any defects or bugs in the software.

[Preemptive]

Couple more keyboard phones here spotted here by GoJoe2:
Return of Keyboard Devices - webOS Nation Forums

One is a 'more phone-like' Gemini.

[Preemptive]

Interview with Necunos. This is the google translation from German to English: https://translate.google.com/transla...-necunos-nc_1/

[Preemptive]

Pine phone? https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7093