[n8cook]

If anybody can help with this... I will press the thumbs at "Thanks!" button on their message... I'd push it twice, it won't let me.

I thanked the two other posters ahead of me... c'mon - you KNOW you want one!!

[Paladin]

I have a question. If it is updating itself again to fix problems, how come it doesn't?
Why are the bad files not cleared out?

I have now updated 3 times. I do NOT want to have to restore my Pre to factory. As a matter of fact I will say now that I am NOT going to do it so we need a fix.

I am a huge Pre Fan_boy but man, this is now getting ridiculous. Okay I understand that we are the ones modifying the Pre in ways it was not intended and we are responsible for our own problems. I understand all of that but still, the app install memory space limitation, the sluggishness and now this. I am just not feeling the love!

Can some add a patch or application to Preware so we can toggle that update on/off please!

[n8cook]

That would also be great - but it looks pretty easy to fix up with the command line if anybody knows how to make it work.

___________________________

Did you know: The Detroit Lions have more loses than every professional sports team in the country. Maybe it's time for a new king of the jungle.

[Paladin]

I am suspecting the LED notification patch myself. It still works after the patch is applied so makes me wonder if it keeps seeing that code enabled thinking there is a problem that needs patched again. I am just guessing here of course

[n8cook]

I had it happen and I wasn't using the LED notification patch

[mw03]

So i had just been ignoring the messages. Sure enough, one night my phone goes ahead and reinstalls the update itself (though i probably hit "Install" instead of the snooze on my alarm clock or something). Of course, I had patches installed, so i was worried i'd have to doctor the phone. I fired everything back up, and of course my system was boned because of all the patches. However, I went ahead and tried the emergency patch remover on Preware, and it worked. I was able to then reload the patches without flashing the phone.

I took care and only added a very small number of patches over a period, including: LED notification, "Add Date", "4x4 Icons v3, and Battery Icon and Percent.

I had been cruising along for nearly 2 weeks when I fired up Preware and noticed that the "Browser MultiMod" was updated. I had always tried doing this patch so I could download music streams, but I always got an install error. I figured the reinstall program had resolved itself, so I tried to patch to add the browser mod. Same install error. Oh well, no biggie, right?

About 3 minutes later, I get the dreaded install threat.

[McKathryn]

This is what I did:

The original instructions can be found in post 111 in this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pr...ml#post1966987

I used the Terminal application to type these commands right from my Pre. You can download Terminal (and the Terminal service, which now downloads automatically before Terminal) through Preware: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-i...0-preware.html

Once you have Terminal installed on your pre, put your pre into developer mode: just start typing upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart from the main screen. You'll see a toggle for Developer Mode, switch it to on and your pre will restart.

The next part you must do very carefully. Open the Terminal app and type (*note the spaces between letters and symbols**without the word "Code:"*) from post #111:

Code:
cd /usr/bin
mount -o remount,rw /
chmod -x UpdateDaemon
mount -o remount,ro /

Then reset your phone or just type
Code:
killall UpdateDaemon
--

To re enable, use:
Code:
cd /usr/bin
mount -o remount,rw /
chmod +x UpdateDaemon
mount -o remount,ro /
and then reset your phone.

Remember to take your phone out of developer mode afterward, and keep the instructions for re-enabling the UpdateDaemon handy. HTH.

That would also be great - but it looks pretty easy to fix up with the command line if anybody knows how to make it work.

___________________________

Did you know: The Detroit Lions have more loses than every professional sports team in the country. Maybe it's time for a new king of the jungle.

[rjcc]

I'm not using preware or any other type of tweaks, the only thing I have on my phone is filecoaster, some apps from that, and my tether, and I recently got the notification to update to 1.2.1 for the third time, that's got to be it.

[ryudo423]

urghh this just happened to me for the 4th time!!!!!!!!!

[rwhitby]

I'm not using preware or any other type of tweaks, the only thing I have on my phone is filecoaster, some apps from that, and my tether, and I recently got the notification to update to 1.2.1 for the third time, that's got to be it.

fileCoaster, and any applications that it installs, are not able to modify the root filesystem or root ipkg database in any way - that's a hard technical fact.

If you really have nothing else installed, then you may have a smoking gun ...

-- Rod

[meadimber]

After I type in this info in the TERMINAL APP:

Code:
cd /usr/bin
mount -o remount,rw /
chmod -x UpdateDaemon
mount -o remount,ro /

Then reset your phone or just type
Code:
killall UpdateDaemon

Do I hit enter or just restart? I'm thinking just restart, but wanting to make sure.

I just got asked to "update" again.

[McKathryn]

After you exit out of Terminal and if you type upupdowndown etc. and switch development mode off, it will restart anyway.

[meadimber]

Much thanks, I got it.

[rjcc]

fileCoaster, and any applications that it installs, are not able to modify the root filesystem or root ipkg database in any way - that's a hard technical fact.

If you really have nothing else installed, then you may have a smoking gun ...

-- Rod

that's the only way i've loaded homebrew on my pre, used webosdoctor to put filecoaster on and that was it, plus the installer for mytether.

[ALuckyGuy]

If you really have nothing else installed, then you may have a smoking gun ...

that's the only way i've loaded homebrew on my pre, used webosdoctor to put filecoaster on and that was it, plus the installer for mytether.

I see smoke!!

[rwhitby]

that's the only way i've loaded homebrew on my pre, used webosdoctor to put filecoaster on and that was it, plus the installer for mytether.

Which specific installer for which specific version of MyTether did you use. Please give us exact URLs and an exact recount of how you installed it.

Thanks,

-- Rod

[drnull]

Just for the record, I still have the mytether service installed in the root as specified in the mytether instructions (http://vz.aonic.net/pre/my.tether.install), but have not had an update notification since I did the following:

cd /var/lib/software
mount -o remount,rw /
mv DmTree.xml DmTree.xml.corrupt
echo -n 0 > state
mount -o remount,ro /

Reboot, and try checking for updates again, if that fixes your problem, great. If not, then at least we will have another data point.

In the interest of full disclosure, I did remove the my.tether service via

ipkg remove net.aonic.tether

But I then installed it again after the first code block fixed the problem, in an attempt to reproduce the Endless Update issue. Since then, I've gone approximately 36 hours with no updates being forced, and I have checked for updates numerous times.

[Daemon]

Care to explain what the first set of commands actually does?
There's a lot of stuff in DmTree.xml and my impression is
that renaming it, will simply disable the update service,
but in a lot less simple way than we've been doing it up till now.

ian

[davidra]

Just for the record, I still have the mytether service installed in the root as specified in the mytether instructions (http://vz.aonic.net/pre/my.tether.install), but have not had an update notification since I did the following:

cd /var/lib/software
mount -o remount,rw /
mv DmTree.xml DmTree.xml.corrupt
echo -n 0 > state
mount -o remount,ro /

Reboot, and try checking for updates again, if that fixes your problem, great. If not, then at least we will have another data point.

In the interest of full disclosure, I did remove the my.tether service via

ipkg remove net.aonic.tether

But I then installed it again after the first code block fixed the problem, in an attempt to reproduce the Endless Update issue. Since then, I've gone approximately 36 hours with no updates being forced, and I have checked for updates numerous times.

I had removed everything, updated for the second time, reinstalled everything, and went for three weeks when WHAM...another reinstall. I have no idea how frequently they probe your phone, but several of us got the update demand at around the same time last week.

[drnull]

Care to explain what the first set of commands actually does?
There's a lot of stuff in DmTree.xml and my impression is
that renaming it, will simply disable the update service,
but in a lot less simple way than we've been doing it up till now.

ian

I obviously don't have the source code to the update service - these are just my observations.

The DmTree.xml file is updated by the update process if it is not there. "mv" simply renames it to a backup so a new version can be downloaded the next time you try to update.

The state file is for the "finite state machine" that controls the update process. Once it is in state 4, the update service believes that it needs an update, so it doesn't even check the DmTree.xml file anymore. Resetting the state to 0 causes the update process to start over again and actually determine if an update is necessary.

I am sure the update service is still running, otherwise I would be receiving an error, and not the message "your phone is up to date".