[Gekko]

This tells you for 100% certain the rep was confused or lying. There were no large advertising reserves for Sprint for early FEb. There is no way on earth the CES launch would have said first half if it Feb 15 was even though possibile back in December, never mind at CES.

The rep was referring to the Pro, everything you have said is consistent with Pro.

Sprints next large ad reserves are for APRIL. They have the ability to to move it back to May but not the ability to move it to March.

1. advertising reserves? who knows what they are and who knows how/when they're accounted for? who says an extra than normal budget is necessary before introduction?
2. Palm wants to under promise and over deliver. they want to promise first half of 2009 and beat the expectation. hence they set the bar really low and give themselves some wiggle room if needed. target Feb 15, contingent date is March 15, and FUBAR date is April 15.
3. again with the ad reserves - i don't think they need to exactly coincide with the "product in store" date. demand will be strong regardless. i'd think they want to coordinate demand with supply and do a slow steady ramp up.

[PedroTheGoat]

That's alright. Kerrville isn't exactly the most sophisticated place in the world... Trust me.

Most of our 20,000 citizens don't have a full set of teeth. Pretty backwards here. If I start talking technology at my bar then I get A LOT of bewildered looks. Everyone comes to me for tech support. Stuff like, "How do I turn this fancay cell phone thangay on?".

[Dr J]

That's alright. Kerrville isn't exactly the most sophisticated place in the world...

Not a bad place for a folk music festival, though.

[PedroTheGoat]

Yeah, Folk Fest is pretty fun. Isn't as popular as it used to be.

[Eguy]

personal charm. you either have it or you don't.

The name's Pre, Palm Pre.

[PatrickS]

What does your gut tell you?

You think Palm says release in "first half" of 2009 when they believe its gonna be the ides of March? Or is it more likely they're wishing and hoping and praying it happens some time ... any time ... before July.

[PedroTheGoat]

What does your gut tell you?

You think Palm says release in "first half" of 2009 when they believe its gonna be the ides of March? Or is it more likely they're wishing and hoping and praying it happens some time ... any time ... before July.

You are so right about that my friend.

My gut is telling me to also go have a scotch and go to bed.

[sraatc17]

What does your gut tell you?

You think Palm says release in "first half" of 2009 when they believe its gonna be the ides of March? Or is it more likely they're wishing and hoping and praying it happens some time ... any time ... before July.

I've been waiting for an Ides of march Reference to show up. I do really hope that this phone comes out on march 15th. i wont be able to get it though, becuase i'm on Verizon and my contract isn't through with them untill December. But i still hope that is the release date, just for the possible tv commercials. Here is what I envision:

The pre is a true "smart" phone. It can almost think ahead, telling us what we need to know, before we know that we need to know it. So it's a Julius Cesar commercial. The Seer tells him to beware the ides of march, so Cesar puts it in his pre. Then when Brutus and the gang spring the trap Cesar is around the corner hiding, becuase his pre warned him to stay away.


I should have been an ad writer!!!

[Dr J]

I've been waiting for an Ides of march Reference to show up.

I thought it was funny in a "February 15 release" thread that someone called that the Ides of February. It seems they should have found out what the Ides of the month means.

[B-model#CB]

Yeah, Folk Fest is pretty fun. Isn't as popular as it used to be.

They alow goats there?

I thought it was funny in a "February 15 release" thread that someone called that the Ides of February. It seems they should have found out what the Ides of the month means.

Crap - Now i have to google "ides of the month"

[ToolkiT]

What does your gut tell you?

You think Palm says release in "first half" of 2009 when they believe its gonna be the ides of March? Or is it more likely they're wishing and hoping and praying it happens some time ... any time ... before July.

So that means my unborn baby will race the pre to see which one get's 'released' first

Gentlemen place your bets!

[B-model#CB]

So that means my unborn baby will race the pre to see which one get's 'released' first

Gentlemen place your bets!

ALRIGHT !!!!

Noe this it the kind of excitment I'm talking about. A race to the finish. ToolkiT's kid verse the Pre ... who will get 'relreased' first.

Ok everyone, make a claim. Everyone gets to pick a day AND a time (this is gonna be close, we need details.)

[Aero]

1. advertising reserves? who knows what they are and who knows how/when they're accounted for? who says an extra than normal budget is necessary before introduction?

I am talking about reserved advertising. Most buys are done quite some time out otherwise the costs are much higher.

target Feb 15, contingent date is March 15, and FUBAR date is April 15.

more likely: Target ranged mid May fubar range July-Uagust, earliest range April

This business about a target date of FEb 15 is laughable. Literally zero serious people believe that.

[Vyruz Reaper]

I am talking about reserved advertising. Most buys are done quite some time out otherwise the costs are much higher.



more likely: Target ranged mid May fubar range July-Uagust, earliest range April

This business about a target date of FEb 15 is laughable. Literally zero serious people believe that.

its not laughable. That is when palm sincerlery wanted to come out with the device

[Aero]

its not laughable. That is when palm sincerlery wanted to come out with the device

Nope. not a chance.
And you base this on what? They bought and reserving not a single bit of advertising space.
The much MUCH more likely scenario is tha Palm planned to launch this in Fall of 09 and started running out of money too soon.
The idea of bringing it out in April, the soonest date they ever even considered since moving the project up to second quarter 09, is an extreme rush as it is. The final testing in the accelerated launch is for April. The adverting buys were just made and they are for April.

[cary328is]

As far as Hesse's most recent interview, it certainly does sound like his main concerns are how well the device will operate during launch, but he also mentioned some production concerns - like how many will be available during launch. I'm sure right now, Palm is doing their best to ramp up production (someone PLEASE find out where the hell they're building these things). And that means getting appropriate lead times for all the parts in the BOM (bill of materials) and making sure each part manufacturer can catch up to the demand. Last I heard - the number of screens by Cypress were a concern.

[Pflaumen]

Nope. not a chance.
And you base this on what? They bought and reserving not a single bit of advertising space.
The much MUCH more likely scenario is tha Palm planned to launch this in Fall of 09 and started running out of money too soon.
The idea of bringing it out in April, the soonest date they ever even considered since moving the project up to second quarter 09, is an extreme rush as it is. The final testing in the accelerated launch is for April. The adverting buys were just made and they are for April.

Where do you personally find out when a corporation such as sprint has reserved advertising funds or not? I'm not 100% positive, but im sure thats not something that is given out freely.

[Aero]

Last I heard - the number of screens by Cypress were a concern.

I am not saying it is certain, but a plausible way to look at this is a product that was originally intended to come out one or two quarters later than the current target. If you take a hypothetical of Palm thinking in late fall or early winter 08 that they would bring it to market in fall of 09, several things we are seeing, with a late spring release, Hesse's mentions of supply concerns, and Palm insiders mentioning component availability issues, make more sense.

We know that Palm needed a cash infusion to keep going and one was had in Dec 22. A couple of weeks later a relatively out of the blue unveiling at CES. Palm needed/needs four things: the OS, the hardware, a carrier that won't see it just as a member of its stable but as something to really push, and cash from from the capital markets. If the OS was moving along ok, and the cash helped them accelerate, and Sprint committed, then they would be able to push and accelerate or solve the three of the four issues. Production is more complicated because it is not in their hands. Even compal doesn't make screens itself but is dependent on Cypress' projected capacitance.

It is a plausible theory that this was planned for one or two quarters later and needs pushed it up to late the current deadline for survival. Not saying it is the case but I can't think of anything that points away and several things point to it.

[lastdetailwd]

Just found this article supporting a March 15th release:

Palm Pre and March 15 Release Date : Product Reviews Net

[Beanis]

Just found this article supporting a March 15th release:

Palm Pre and March 15 Release Date : Product Reviews Net

I'm pretty sure that's meant to be satire.