1.  02/11/2005, 11:37 AM Anyone try to use their calculator? yes it appears to work..... then throw a wrench in have it do something like this, 160,000 minus 3% i get 1,599.9 hehe i dont know what math its using but damn somehow i doubt thats correct being that 3% of 160,000 is 4,800. amaze your friends and family fight with spouses swearing up and down that your "calculator" is correct!!!!! Ok seriously anyone have a fix?
2.  02/11/2005, 11:40 AM It's the same alternate math that P1 was using to estimate our shipping times. (I keed! I keed!) Unlocked P1 T650 + 12" Powerbook + Scion xA = Happiness
3.  02/11/2005, 11:55 AM OMG. That's hilarious! 1,599.97. I'm pretty sure it's right though is some way. It's just calculating 3% as 0.03. Wait, that's not right.
4.  02/11/2005, 12:03 PM 160,000 minus 3% is 159,999.97 (ie 160,000 - 0.03 = 159,999.97) and is not the same as 3% of 160,000. I don't have a Treo 650 yet to try your experiment, check the decimal place for that answer. There hasn't been a major math bug in a processor since the original Pentium.
5.  02/11/2005, 12:13 PM User math bug
6.  02/11/2005, 12:13 PM Originally Posted by GoodHw 160,000 minus 3% is 159,999.97 (ie 160,000 - 0.03 = 159,999.97) and is not the same as 3% of 160,000. 160,000 - 3% = x 160,000 - 4,800 = x 155,200 = x I'm assuming you meant to say 160,000 minus 3% is 155,200. This work fine on my T3. It looks like the 650 is not calculating the percentage and has a decimal placement issue on top of that. Looking for a way to earn additional income? One that allows you to not only market services people use everyday, but the services of the future too? This opportunity provides outstanding earning potential with ongoing training and support. You are in business for yourself but never by yourself. Stop imagining and start living. Independent Representative Carl Brooks 2483274973 carl@techloyal.com http://www.techloyal.com
7.  02/11/2005, 12:16 PM you guys have too muh free time http://www.rage3d.com/board/images/smilies/nuts.gif Palm III -> Sony Clie 73V + Sony Ericsson 610 -> Sony Ericcson P900 -> Nokia 6600 + IPAQ 4150 -> Treo 650 -> BenQ P50 -> Motorola Q -> Treo 755p -> HTC Titan (Sprint Mogul)
8.  02/11/2005, 12:17 PM It looks like the Treo is getting its order of operations messed up. It looks like it is doing this: (160,000 - 3)%
9.  02/11/2005, 12:24 PM It works in finance mode if you say: 160,000 - % 3 = -X Xathros SprintPCS 650 since Nov 2004
10.  02/11/2005, 12:30 PM Syntaxtically, I have a problem with the expression: 160,000 - 3% My question is "3% of what?" Mathematically speaking, 3%=0.03. So 160000-0.03 = 159999.97. But if you mean 3% of 160000 then that should have been written as: 160000-3%(160000) Perhaps in some calculator world, 160000-3% is an acceptable shorthand for x-3%x ? Any how, I always crinch whenever I see such abbreviation. I always like Reverse Polish Notation because it promotes good notation.
11.  02/11/2005, 12:55 PM what it is doing is taking 160,000-3, which is 159,997. all the percent button does is divide by 100. so 159,997/100 is 1,599.97
12.  02/11/2005, 12:58 PM Here is what actually happened: You entered: 160000 - 3 % What the Treo did: 160000 - 3 = 159997 (then it processed %) % turns 159997 into a percentage based on 100 = 1599.97 (moving the decimal place to the left 2 places) Try this, and you'll see what it's doing: Enter: 160000 - 3 = Treo Displays: 159,997 Enter: % Treo Displays: 1,599.97 It's not an error on the Treo's part. You simply can't enter the calculation in that way. To see 3% of 160,000 you need to enter: 160000 * 3 % Treo displays: 4,800 To do your original calculation, you need to do it in two parts: Enter: 160000 * 3 % M+ Treo displays: 4,800 Enter: 160000 - MR = Treo displays: 155,200 --Inspector Gadget "Go Go Gadget Pre!!" Palm Pre on Sprint Palm V--> Palm IIIc--> Visor Prism--> Visor Phone--> Treo 270--> Treo 600--> Treo 650--> Treo 700wx--> HTC Touch Diamond--> Palm Pre & HTC EVO 4G.
13.  02/11/2005, 01:17 PM dethman's Palm's interpretation of the % function seems to make the most sense. I've got a Texas Instruments TI-1795SV calculator (\$12 big digit model) at my desk and when I press [1],[6],[0],[0],[0],[0],[-],[3],[%],[=] I get -4,800. So as you can see, the same interpretation problem we are having in the language also shows up in each company's interpretation of their calculator software. Isn't English great. =)
14.  02/11/2005, 01:26 PM Originally Posted by soulreaver99 you guys have too muh free time Don't under estimate this kind of problem. If the Intel XScale processor had a math problem and you happened to be hooked up to an automated intravenous medicine despenser running on one of these processors you might have a bad day.
15.  02/11/2005, 01:31 PM Originally Posted by GoodHw dethman's Palm's interpretation of the % function seems to make the most sense. Nobody ever listens to me....
16.  02/11/2005, 01:36 PM This works how you're expecting it to work in windows calculator.. I agree that's its a pretty weird expression and I wouldn't trust any calculator to handle it correctly (even if the occasional one does).. On a sidenote, buying a house? That sounds like a how much is my loan gonna be if I put down 3% calculation.
17.  02/11/2005, 02:07 PM Originally Posted by unclejung Syntaxtically, I have a problem with the expression: 160,000 - 3% My question is "3% of what?" Mathematically speaking, 3%=0.03. So 160000-0.03 = 159999.97. But if you mean 3% of 160000 then that should have been written as: 160000-3%(160000) Perhaps in some calculator world, 160000-3% is an acceptable shorthand for x-3%x ? Any how, I always crinch whenever I see such abbreviation. I always like Reverse Polish Notation because it promotes good notation. This makes sense and yes mathematically I think there is only one correct way of expressing what one wants to calculate. In the example used in the original post, that missing 'what' of 3% of 'what' is the problem and the Treo's interpretation of 160000 - 3% is correct if it first subtracts 3 from 160000 and then simply divides it by a 100 to express it in % Pre3 (AT&T meta-doctored to ROW) webOS 2.2.4 build 3175 TouchPad WiFi (32GB) - webOS 3.0.5 build 86 App Catalog (US) - Vodafone (India) Treo 180 > 270 > 600 > 650 > 680 > Pre+ > Pre2 > Pre+ > Pre3 & tPad
18.  02/11/2005, 03:15 PM Originally Posted by Joebar This works how you're expecting it to work in windows calculator.. I agree that's its a pretty weird expression and I wouldn't trust any calculator to handle it correctly (even if the occasional one does).. On a sidenote, buying a house? That sounds like a how much is my loan gonna be if I put down 3% calculation. ya you got me was just trying to play with some numbers, and got hopes up "not good with math" when i saw 1500 being 3% haha my wife is like no its not that i was like hey calculators dont lie! then she proved me wrong heh. Damn woman always gotta be right!
19.  02/11/2005, 03:26 PM http://discussion.treocentral.com/im...es/biggrin.gif I knew it..... Dealt with it all myself a little over a year ago. Wish the numbers were 160,000 on Long Island though.. ouch!
20.  02/11/2005, 05:45 PM In many simple calculators the % key is short for "/ 100". This is not so unusual. What you did is 160,000 - 3/100 which is 1,599.97.