[bcaslis]

Please read the info before replying. As stated by numerous posts here, according to palmOne, the Cingular Treo 650 will be locked to Cingular. There should be an unlocked GSM Treo 650 available from palmOne.

Supposedly Cingular on Wednesday.

[helpermonkey]

For those that keep asking, I believe I have said more than once on this very thread (that I know is super long and no one probably reads the whole thing) that the Treo 650 GSM with EDGE should be able to reach speads of someplace around 175K/sec. This is not a guess on my part.

Sure speeds can be slower with poor signal or high trafic (voice or data) on the serving cell, so don't expect top speed at all times...

For those planning to use the 650 on T-mobile have fun with your GPRS. EDGE is still not as fast as I would like, not by a long shot, but GPRS is even worse. It looks like UMTS will have to be released before I can get my data speed fix. UMTS should get you a current data rate of 384K/sec and with a later upgrade 2M/sec (next year?). HSPDA will offer data speeds up to 8-10 Mbps - I don't know what the ETA is for that.

I never was a huge fan of mobile data, it was cool for ringtones and downloading games, but now I am sold. There are so many cool things you can do. I was just checking a radar image of the weather in my area on my mobile... to me that is cool. Of course being able to access real email on your mobile is great too.

[100thMonkey]

S38

EDGE has too much latency being a packet based transmission service for a good phone conversation. However, with the SD WiFi card or sled and a client program installed on the T650, I don't see why not. Heck, with the T600 a VoIP program should work

[helpermonkey]

Phones on flights will be allowed by the time the 700 comes out.

I want the 700, 800, 900 and 1000 to release at the same time.

700:
Target market- 17-24
Price: $299 $150 with contract
Features:
128 resident memory
removable colored faceplates
mp3 softare included
mpeg software
Stereo Bluetooth
WiFi
AIM integrated
drop and moisture resistant

800:
Target Market - 24+ Business exec
256 native
$399 $250 with contract
distictive/conservative styling
voice dialing integrated
mp3
mpeg
integrated imap real time email
latest bluetooth
cradle and car charger
1.3 mp camera

900 Target market: 24+ TC - Geek
Price $599 $399 with Palm loyalty (previous owner)
1 gig resident
latest bluetooth
wi fi
2.0 mp camera
voice dial
internal gps
car charger and internatinal cradle

Treo 1000
Market upwardly mobile business and geeks
Price $799 $599 with Palm loyalty
4 gigs resident
Brushed Stainless Steel Body
Higher resolution screen
Latest Bluetooth
Wi fi
4.0 mp camera configurable for lower settings for MMS
Video
Voice dial
Internation cradel and car charger
2 yr warranty and Priority Tech Support (No third world Countries)
International gps integrated self contained
UTMS
Bluetooth foldable keyboard

I am curious about what you are saying with cell phones being allowed by the time the 700 comes out. What do you mean, or where is that information from.

I watched a show on TV, I know that doesn't prove anything, and it was talking about the dangers of EMF. It was suspected as a possible cause in the plane that went down several years ago of the NE coast (flight 800 or sometihng like that?). In any case I can see the FAA chosing to be overly careful about allowing the use of phones on planes, just to be safe.

[helpermonkey]

I hope a flip palm device eventually comes to market. Even though the there is a memory issue with the MPx, I love the Mpx because it is flip, hopefully future plans call for a flip PalmOne Treo 750

Man if they release a flip I hope it is as an optional model. I can't stand flip phones. I don't like how small they are, and they are hard for me to hold onto. Maybe a good design could change my mind, but I haven't seen one yet that I would take over a traditional phone. I know I seem to be in the minority here - silver flip phones are the hot thing for sales...

[helpermonkey]

Same here.. Never more than a year. However, I am certain that the Big Three Cingular, Verizon and Sprint are doing focus groups to determine how to lock consumers in for longer periods. They are afraid of the MetroPCS revolution $35/flat and no contracts. If MetroPCS could attact a few additional phone manufacturers to provide higher end phones and internet connectivity. That would dramatically change the marketplace.

What is this MetroPCS you speak of specimen38?

Are they someone like Virgin Mobile? Or do they actually have their own network and if so, what spectrum? I didn't know there was much, if any unussed PCS spectrum floating around for sale out there.

[helpermonkey]

I'm going to get the gsm 650 next week, but can't decide
whether to buy an unbranded 650 and stay with T-Mobile - or switch to
Cingular...

1. Stay with T-mobile
- 650 would be unlocked
- pay more for unlocked version
- Edge not available now
- gprs roaming is at least available (though outragously priced!)
http://www.t-mobile.com/internationa...geInternet.asp

2. Switch to Cingular
- Edge is available now
- 650 would be locked to Cingular
- have to get a new contract
- save money with a 2 year contract

Are there any other considerations? What would you do?
thanks!

My very biased oppinion is to go with EDGE. It is so much better for me. Cingular's network is bigger too, overall, but that of course will not help you if it is not best where you need it. No carrier can cliam that right now I don't think. They all have holes.

[Mtreosexual]

If the GSM one is unlocked, will you buy it immediately as soon as it's available?

Answering for almost everyone on this board

YES

[Mtreosexual]

Man if they release a flip I hope it is as an optional model. I can't stand flip phones. I don't like how small they are, and they are hard for me to hold onto. Maybe a good design could change my mind, but I haven't seen one yet that I would take over a traditional phone. I know I seem to be in the minority here - silver flip phones are the hot thing for sales...

Ditto..
You are wasting time on TC, if you are into Flips, as most of us would vote for never having one.I think that destroys the so called 'form factor'.

[Mtreosexual]

For those that keep asking, I believe I have said more than once on this very thread (that I know is super long and no one probably reads the whole thing) that the Treo 650 GSM with EDGE should be able to reach speads of someplace around 175K/sec. This is not a guess on my part.

Sure speeds can be slower with poor signal or high trafic (voice or data) on the serving cell, so don't expect top speed at all times...

For those planning to use the 650 on T-mobile have fun with your GPRS. EDGE is still not as fast as I would like, not by a long shot, but GPRS is even worse. It looks like UMTS will have to be released before I can get my data speed fix. UMTS should get you a current data rate of 384K/sec and with a later upgrade 2M/sec (next year?). HSPDA will offer data speeds up to 8-10 Mbps - I don't know what the ETA is for that.

I never was a huge fan of mobile data, it was cool for ringtones and downloading games, but now I am sold. There are so many cool things you can do. I was just checking a radar image of the weather in my area on my mobile... to me that is cool. Of course being able to access real email on your mobile is great too.

Do you mean?.
GO T-Mo.

[ToolkiT]

flip phones while not really practical, have 1 advantage though: it acts as a build in screen protector.

[dutchtrumpet]

100thMonkey, (or any knowledgable person)

Is VoIP possible on a Tro 650?

Is VoIP legal on a Treo 650?

Currently there are no palm voip clients.
Yes

[helpermonkey]

So are you saying.
GO TMO.

Hmm, I can not tell, is that internet sarcasm?

If it is not clear to anyone I am saying it would be wack to use data on your 650 on GPRS. What's the point? Too slow.

T-Mobile has a lot of work to do to launch EDGE nation wide, so I don't know how long that will be. I would guess about 9 months or so to deploy nation wide if they wanted to. Who knows when they will start. Do we know that they will? I have read both that they will and that they will wait for 3G.

[Felipe]

flip phones while not really practical, have 1 advantage though: it acts as a build in screen protector.

how much protection can a peace of plastic give you when the signal can go through many solid objects?

[helpermonkey]

He said screen protector, not a radiation blocker. Is that what you were thinking ToolkitT was saying?

[Tanner]

Got my new 64K SIM card...now I just need a 650 for it! Went to the Cingular store on the way home today and had them switch out my SIM. While there, I showed 3 of the sales reps all the cool things this phone can do (the 600). One of the guys was saying that he was going to buy a 600 since they had gone down. I told him he could buy mine for $100 if he could find me a 650 ASAP. He said its on their pricelist. He called a B2B buddy and that guy, of course, wasn't sure. I told them the rumor was next week and they said that could be true since its on their pricelist. They said it might be in the warehouse in Memphis. However, this sales rep was foaming at the mouth for my 600. I think he will try to find me a 650 just so he can get a great deal on a 600. Works for me....I just want my new phone!!!!

Summary:
Sales reps still know nothing, but I have one trying to find me a GSM650 so he can get a cheap 600!

Bryant how did U get them to give U a 64K SIM Card w/o having to pay?

TIA from my T600

[Boobookins]

I watched a show on TV, I know that doesn't prove anything, and it was talking about the dangers of EMF. It was suspected as a possible cause in the plane that went down several years ago of the NE coast (flight 800 or sometihng like that?). In any case I can see the FAA chosing to be overly careful about allowing the use of phones on planes, just to be safe.

The FAA has already announced plans to remove the ban on cell phones in flight within 2 years. Nytimes had article about it, and CNN mentioned it. FAA has also already recieved 1200 written complaints by people who say flights are the last sanctuary of not having to listen to loud people on their phones. (Personally I don't want to talk, I just want to play games, watch movies, etc. Some stewardesses don't recognize "flight mode" and allow that.)

In Europe Virgin Atlantic already allows cell phone use. I don't know what show you were watching, but I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a single incident conclusively linked to interference from phones. (Maybe a phone was suspected because they didn't know what else it was.)

[Bloodworth]

There should be an unlocked GSM Treo 650 available from palmOne.

When?

[Mtreosexual]

flip phones while not really practical, have 1 advantage though: it acts as a build in screen protector.

Agree
That is the only advantage.
Difficult to handle when driving, unlike the T600,where you can instantaneously use the 5 way button find contact phone and dial.

[Daddyof3]

Bryant how did U get them to give U a 64K SIM Card w/o having to pay?

TIA from my T600

I called the cingular number and told them I had signal issues. After troubleshooting, they asked what kind of sim card I had. Then they told me to go to any Cingular store (but make sure it is a real Cingular store or they will charge) and get it switched out. They said the programming in the old 32k sim cards likes to hold onto cell towers, so if you were driving away from a particular cell tower and another one approaches, the old card still liked to hang on to the weaker one. They added that additional programming in the 64k card allows for the phone to pick out the tower with the strongest signal.

Anyhow, they flagged my number to get a 64k sim card, so when I walked into the store, they looked up my number, and swapped it out, no questions asked. Hope that helps!