I Will Wait For GSM Model. Who's With Me?

**specimen38** · 01/18/2005, 07:54 AM

how so? wh

Originally Posted by whmurray

Cingular has joined P1 in teasing.

**specimen38** · 01/18/2005, 07:57 AM

whm,

If you recall, I was only wishing January. But in reality...PalmOne had told us 1-2 months at the CES event. No slips

Originally Posted by whmurray

Oops! Big slip in schedule. When specimen38 abandons January, can Spring be far behind?

**whmurray** · 01/18/2005, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by specimen38

whm,

If you recall, I was only wishing January. But in reality...PalmOne had told us 1-2 months at the CES event. No slips

Hope springs eternal.... If P1 and Cingular can tease us all, surely I can tease you.

**helpermonkey** · 01/18/2005, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by mhzimmer

Would that really work?

I'll be new to the GSM world when I switch to Cingular to get the 650, so please excuse my ignorance.

So... I'm just wondering. Do gsm phones have anything like an ESN that's used in CDMA phones, or does the phone truly take on the identity of the SIM? Along those same lines, if someone were to steal your phone and then pop their SIM into your phone, would the carrier be able to track down who is using your stolen phone?

Mark

As stated before GSM does not use an ESn like in CDMA or TDMA. There is a SIM card and it holds all of your info on it, you can even choose to save your contacts info on it (although it will not hold any advanced info like many phones can - multiple numbers under one name etc. so you may opt to use the phone's intenal memory too). If you have an unlocked phone or you have a phone from the same carrier as your SIM, all you do is swap the SIM from one phone to another. You're back up and running in less than 10 seconds. I do it all the time for work...

As for tracking a stolen phone, well their is info in the phone that identifies it, but I am not aware of it being used to track a stolen phone.

**helpermonkey** · 01/18/2005, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by specimen38

I was reading in another thread about Sprint's Vision data plan being $15.00/mo, but I swear....in the SF area it seems slow to me. I have never owned a Treo 600 on Sprint, but no less than 12 of my friends who have them -- all have Sprint. Without fail, everytime I have attempted to browse on one of them -- it's slow, slow, nauseating slow. Now I am certain someone will come behind me and say. That's not true. I live in Concord, I live in Berkeley, I live in SF, I live Oakland, I live in blah, blah and it's BLAZING fast. I can only speak subjectively about my experiences in 3 Sprint stores in the Eastbay and using my friends Treos and it is slow.

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not use Sprint here or there.
I would not use Sprint anywhere.
I would not get Sprint's Vision Plan.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Well I would not place bets that your 650 will be BALZING fast on WDGW either. EDGE is much faster than GPRS, but it can not compare to a cable or DSL connection. I still find it slower than I would like to deal with. I am wondering too if it has something to do with the Treo processing the web pages to load on it's screen. Either way, it looks like it may have to be UMTS before I am completely happy with the data speeds.

**whmurray** · 01/18/2005, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

....As for tracking a stolen phone, well their is info in the phone that identifies it, but I am not aware of it being used to track a stolen phone.

In the event that your phone is stolen with the SIM, you must report it to the carrier issuing the SIM. They will cancel it and issue a new one. The thief will not be able to make calls on your account. However, he can put another SIM in it and use it.

Because the personalization, including the equivalent of the EIN and ESN, is on the SIM, rather than in the phone, GSM phones are less secure against theft than are AMPS or CDMA phones.

The carriers and their agents ask to see the phone when a new SIM is purchased and they enter the serial number into their systems. If you report the phone stolen, and the thief later produces it at the time of obtaining a new SIM, and if the agent enters it into the databse, it might be detected. Obviously, only a foolish thief would do that; while there are a lot of them, I would not expect to recover the phone.

All that said, if I were to lose my Treo 600, the cost of replacing it would be the least of my problems.

**guinnessdraught** · 01/18/2005, 09:28 AM

Did anybody see this posting on Gizmodo??

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/smart...oon-029845.php

They seem to be saying that the generic GSM model will NOT support EDGE but GPRS only. Does anybody think that is possible? I am waiting for a Vienna Channels generic GSM phone that I planned to use with Cingular EDGE. Why does Palm list the phone as GSM/GPRS?

**cjdaniel** · 01/18/2005, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by guinnessdraught

Did anybody see this posting on Gizmodo??

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/smart...oon-029845.php

They seem to be saying that the generic GSM model will NOT support EDGE but GPRS only. Does anybody think that is possible? I am waiting for a Vienna Channels generic GSM phone that I planned to use with Cingular EDGE. Why does Palm list the phone as GSM/GPRS?

No, I don't think so. We were talking to top dogs at P1 during Roadshow they would not have steered the IT customers it so wants into a slower products. I think it does not list it because of the other carriers. I would not read anything else in to it.

**ipacmm** · 01/18/2005, 09:37 AM

Treonauts with Treo 650 GSM/GPRS in Hand:

http://blog.treonauts.com/

**outz** · 01/18/2005, 09:37 AM

i doubt that. it's in the treo 650's gsm specs on palmone's website.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...gsm+edge&hl=en

**whmurray** · 01/18/2005, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by cglaguna

No, I don't think so. We were talking to top dogs at P1 during Roadshow they would not have steered the IT customers it so wants into a slower products. I think it does not list it because of the other carriers. I would not read anything else in to it.

No, nor would I. T-Mo has talked of plans to roll out EDGE during 2005. However, for the moment, only Cingular (and AT&T) has widespread EDGE coverage.

**specimen38** · 01/18/2005, 10:23 AM

LOL....

Originally Posted by whmurray

Hope springs eternal.... If P1 and Cingular can tease us all, surely I can tease you.

**specimen38** · 01/18/2005, 10:31 AM

I suspected as much from EDGE. According AT&T: EDGE No Major Speed Difference.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Well I would not place bets that your 650 will be BALZING fast on WDGW either. EDGE is much faster than GPRS, but it can not compare to a cable or DSL connection. I still find it slower than I would like to deal with. I am wondering too if it has something to do with the Treo processing the web pages to load on it's screen. Either way, it looks like it may have to be UMTS before I am completely happy with the data speeds.

**specimen38** · 01/18/2005, 10:35 AM

Now that would be a tragedy if there is not EDGE built into the unbranded and unlocked phone.

Originally Posted by guinnessdraught

Did anybody see this posting on Gizmodo??

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/smart...oon-029845.php

They seem to be saying that the generic GSM model will NOT support EDGE but GPRS only. Does anybody think that is possible? I am waiting for a Vienna Channels generic GSM phone that I planned to use with Cingular EDGE. Why does Palm list the phone as GSM/GPRS?

**Nimzo** · 01/18/2005, 10:51 AM

Very unlikely...Why would PALM remove EDGE on unbranded one?...does not make any sense.

**jimf** · 01/18/2005, 11:11 AM

The unlocked phones direct from PalmOne will have EDGE. EDGE is an extension/enhancement/layer of the basic GSM protocols, so often these phones will be listed as just "GSM", to distinguish them from CDMA phones.

Treonauts has an unbranded GSM 650 for testing and it has EDGE.

If palmOne created a version with the EDGE radio removed, they would need to run it through a parallel test and approval process with the carriers. The only good reasons to do that would be to offer a lower pricepoint version of the phone, or to appease a carrier that explicitly wanted non-EDGE phones. The only likely candidate for the latter is T-Mobile, and they have not signed on to carry the phone.

**Boobookins** · 01/18/2005, 11:23 AM

I agree with everyone who's pointed out all the reasons why the 650 WILL/DOES have EDGE! The reason I feel like repeating is IT'S IN THE SPECS ON P1's WEBSITE. Anyway obviously gizmodo is mistaken.

Oh, and to make this post slightly less than useless (only slightly mind you,) doesn't the fact that Treonaughts has a review GSM further indicate that we're likely to see the phone by months end? Anyone?

**Hayswj** · 01/18/2005, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Boobookins

I agree with everyone who's pointed out all the reasons why the 650 WILL/DOES have EDGE! The reason I feel like repeating is IT'S IN THE SPECS ON P1's WEBSITE. Anyway obviously gizmodo is mistaken.

Oh, and to make this post slightly less than useless (only slightly mind you,) doesn't the fact that Treonaughts has a review GSM further indicate that we're likely to see the phone by months end? Anyone?

This is a story on the Gizmodo site too...

Cingular Treo 650: End of January

cingular_treo650.jpg imageFrom a purported internal Cingular memo last week:

As you might expect, both Blue and Orange [AT&T Wireless and Cingular - ed.] were engaged in beta testing the Treo 650 prior to the merger. We have moved these two efforts in parallel and Blue and Orange are now on parallel tracks regarding tech. acceptance.

Unlike the Sprint PCS CDMA 1X device, which used an existing, well-tried technology, the Cingular Treo 650 will be the first EDGE-capable unit. Since we incorporated a technology leap into the device development, it took longer to test and verify on two networks (Blue and Orange) at once.

We are now at the point where we believe we have a candidate build that can get us to technical acceptance. If we can TA the device by mid-January, we expect to launch by the end of January. This is not yet certain, but it is looking increasingly likely.

Please keep your eye out for an official communication on launch schedules, etc. next week.

**MisterEd** · 01/18/2005, 11:31 AM

That "purported internal Cingular memo" sounds so fake it almost funny. Not saying it won't release next week, but that alleged memo sure says a lot of nothing.

**whmurray** · 01/18/2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Boobookins

Oh, and to make this post slightly less than useless (only slightly mind you,) doesn't the fact that Treonaughts has a review GSM further indicate that we're likely to see the phone by months end? Anyone?

Nah, just one more tease. Notice that he has not said where or when he got it.

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