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Originally posted by silverado
Seldom,
I think the "don't listen to him" message came out after a number of real attempts at discussions. I certainly tried very hard to have one. He does bring up valid points individually but, IMO, his points don't tie up into one argument. He criticizes the Treo 600 for every missing feature compared to all aother types of devices, regardless of who it is meant for. You generally can't get a big picture discussion with him. Many other times he is just making undeserved jabs and sarcastic remarks that can serve no purpose. Because of all of this, I stopped participating.
I think the majority of people here (including you) agree that we have an Amiga-like device on our hands aiming for a certain segment of users that can sustain it. However, it needs a very smart marketing strategy so that it doesn't have the same fate as the Amiga.
hmmm,
1.Screen. The argument was: It has to be 160 by 160 otherwise it will be super large and eat up battery like nothing. I post bunch of links of pictures from various brands and products to prove that large screen is NOT exotic, albeit cutting edge. It does not cause device to be big, nor the battery to ebcome impossibly large.
2. but but... big screen and thumpad won't fit. thumpad is devine, you can't have a handheld without it. I believe this one you try to argue, and I bring numerous instances which basically argue: Thumbpad is overrated. The large space sacrifice does not warrant the small convinient it gives. Typical soft input solutions can conver more than enough what TB supposedly can do. Real life examples exists and they work, this is not just utopian day dreaming. So in the end, one can just yelp... It's tactile, it's the tactile... (yeah well with such tiny tic-tac size key who care if it has tactile or not. You'll still be fumbling around in the dark trying to position your tumb correctly on it)
3. Treo 600, need to answer serious question about battery performance in light of what we know about T|T. And handspring need to damned well answer why they don't put replaceable.
4. Is it "very" small? Not really if it is competing against typical highend advance phone. It is however is a small PDA. But is it hardly "very" small, not to mention above 6oz. weight. It pases the 5 oz barrier.
5. Screen will pose a problem if it has to perform as fullblown PDA. Size wise it certainly cannot compete when it come to displaying text. (eg. web page, docs, text)
there is also no mention how the screen itself will perform. (does it look nice? is it griddy? how is color depth? does it have blurring problem?)
6. Palm itself has a problem in high end applications, which what a high end PDA should be able to do. I don't buy the argument it is not a high end PDA if it is priced at $500+
7. Bluetooth. All recent advance phone has this. for a $500 device, somebody bound to ask "how come I can't use a BT earpiece with this?"?
from PDA point of view, BT represent a leap of convinience and functionality. (eg. for a $500 device, can treo600 have GPS input and act as voice navigation tool? How about fun and games?)
8. Is the camera supported by PDA apps to make it at least fun. Or is it an afterthought gimmick to most people?
Bottom line: treo 600 is great device a few months ago, or even now. But by the time it launches, it is severely under featured. And it will be overpriced at $500.
By Q1 next year, the supposedly peak life time of this device, treo600 is pretty much one of the bottom performer, knowing what the competiton will come out.
Is treo a superior all in one device or a dubious niche product for diehard fans?
Does it make an excellent PDA to compete against 2 pieces solution?
Does it make attractive phone so people want to cough up top dolar?
How does it compare to other "smartphones" in term of price, features and performance?
I fail to see how treo600 can convincingly win the market. It's neither a stylish phone, excellent PDA, or a front runner smartphones. It is certainly is not cheap.
and no, it is not 'very' small.
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