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    You guys better get a look on this article from brighthand :

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    Quote Originally Posted by janric
    You guys better get a look on this article from brighthand :

    This would be more informative: The Design of Exchange Direct Push in Exchange 2003 SP2
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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad
    Hmm. So I would need to be connected to GPRS all the time.

    Also, the cheaper Cingular MediaNet packages assign you an internal IP address behind a NAT (soer of like home LANS do with NAT/Routers. I wonder if ActiveSync/MP will be able to initiate a connection from outside if the Treo doesn't have a directly accessible IP address (like the more expensive $40/mo package from Cingular provides .. and is needed vor VPN connections).
    Here's some meaningful, relevant info from "The Design of Exchange Direct Push in Exchange 2003 SP2":

    "Wonít the always-on data connection hose the battery of the device? If we were constantly sending and receiving packets, yes. However, note that for much of the lifetime of a request for change notifications, we are just waiting for a response. GPRS radios do not consume power unless they are actively transmitting. Further, the lifetime of a request for change notifications is chosen independently by each device, and, in practice, these requests tend to live for upwards of twenty minutes in the no-email case. The means by which the device chooses this lifetime is tuned to minimize bytes over the wire and maximize battery life. Five minute scheduled sync is more poorly behaved in this regard.

    "Wonít the always-on data connection result in massive data charges for users? Not really Ė the synchronization operations that are performed in AUTD are targeted at only those folders that contain changes, so youíre never issuing lots of empty syncs as you are with a scheduled or manual sync. Five minute scheduled sync is more poorly behaved in this regard, too.

    "How much data traffic does AUTD require? We get this question a lot. The best answer is that we have no idea. How much email do you get in a day? Thatís about how much traffic AUTD requires. Unhappy with that number? Consider sending less email or ending certain personal and professional relationships.

    "What the previous three points add up to is that AUTD is actually better for mobile operator networks and device battery life than the solution based on scheduled sync that is used by devices that mobile operators sell today. Weíve had a bit of difficulty in getting this point across to some mobile operators."
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynew73
    Treo 650 uses ActiveSync. The articles say that the push email technology will be for Windows Mobile 5.0 and that current 2003 people can upgrade to 5.0. Microsoft's strategy is always to crush everyone around it. They will only allow this technology for Windows Mobile based OS' not everyone else who uses ActiveSync. Why would they want to allow Palm to license it?..they'd have nothing to gain. This, along with the other features/functions of 5.0, gives them a competitive edge that Palm can't compete with. Palm will have to "go & grab" while Windows will have push.

    And if Palm does get license to the functionality, it will either only be for their first Windows based phone or the next version of the treo, not the 650, on a later OS..forcing people to purchase the new one.
    That is not true. Read some more, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jglev
    I believe to get the full Exchange sync, you need WM5. However, all the other companies that are licensing it (Palm One, Nokia etc) who don't use WM5 will be able to use the push e-mail feature, but probably not the calendar and contacts and to-do list sync features. Why would Microsoft want that? Maybe you haven't noticed, but MS only wants everyone on the planet to use their technology and not someone elseís (plus they probably sell more Exchange upgrades among other monetary benefits). That's why.
    You simply don't know. The "special features" that are Mobile 5 only relate to local/remote wipe, and other security and management (policy-based) features; not AUTD or push.

    Why are they making this available to non-Windows Mobile devices? Because Microsoft is intent THIS YEAR to use all means to drive Exchange 2003 server upgrades.

    A combined requirement that an organization must both upgrade to Exchange 2003 and deploy Windows Mobile devices (didn't) won't work. That combination of "notification based push" AUTD has existed since Windows Mobile 2003 and Exchange 2003 were released. (The fact that so few seem to be aware of it speaks to its lack of success.)

    But NOW, any organization using any of dozens of phone/pdas will now have BES/Goodlink level push email JUST by upgrading their mail server--no new devices, necessarily. (See DataViz's RoadSync, for example.)
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    Even though it isn't true 'push' mail the fact that it uses HTTP for messaging means that cheapskates like me who use the $4.99 T-zones (with limited port availability) will be able to make use of Direct push without having to pay for the higher priced data packages.
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    So M$ push mail is not really PUSH...

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    It isn't push in the sense that the server initiates the transmission, however it achieves the same effect as other push solutions. i.e. as soon as an email arrives or a calendar entry is updated, it is sent to your device.
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    Then don't call it push... call it really really fast!

    that's like calling EDGE 3G system... sure its faster but it's not close to 3G...
    Last edited by bigredgpk; 06/14/2005 at 11:52 AM.
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    The ones I love..

    Visor Pro -> Visor Edge -> Treo 180 -> Treo 270 -> Treo 600 -> Treo 650 -> T|T2+SE T68i -> Treo 600 -> T-Mobile MDA -> Treo 755p -> Treo 800w -> Treo 755p -> PALM PRE -> Palm Pre 2 -> HP Palm Pre 3

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  10. #30 mean 3G?
    Palm III -> Palm Vx -> Clie T615c -> Clie T665c -> Tungsten T|3 -> Treo 650 -> Trew 700W (for a few days) -> XV6700 -> Moto Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geckotek mean 3G?
    Yeah, Guess I got Mac-Intel on the brain today...

    btw I thought this was interesting... From

    A pair of analysts who work for market research firm Gartner say that the email system for Windows Mobile 5.0 that was unveiled last week isn't secure enough to be used safely by large companies without the addition of third-party software.
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    The ones I love..

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    It seems that Microsoft's "PUSH" is just as much PUSH as GoodLink or Blackberry. There really is only 2 ways that you can PUSH anything to your phone datawise:




    GoodLink used to (or still does, I havnt checked recently) use SMS to "trigger" your phone to sync. Most people didn't know this because they didn't see the SMS message and it didn't reflect useage on their SMS plan. Little did they know though, Good technology paid the carrier for these special SMS's. This is why it took so long for GoodLink to work world wide, Good Technology needed to setup SMS relationships with carriers.

    The TCPIP method seems simple, but isnt that simple. I will explain. When your phone connects to GPRS (or EVDO, etc) it gets a dynamic IP. Only while its data connection is active will you have this IP. Also, even though you may maintain a connection, your IP address may change due to NAT technologies on the connection. This means that an email server can't just send the new email to your phone at a specific IP address, its not that simple.

    With a TCPIP push system, the client software on your phone (be it RIM, GoodLink, etc) would have to force a GPRS connection and talk to the email server to insure an email isnt waiting. While that connection is still live (could be for hours at a time), the email server can then PUSH emails to the handheld. It makes sense the way Microsoft explains their push. Basically its just a http request waiting for a response and if it doesn't hear anything after a certain time it re-establishes a checking request.

    Hope that clears a few things up for everyone.
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    GoodLink no longer uses SMS, however, all traffic is generated behind the firewall via the GoodLink server. No connections are intiated from the device.
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    This is interesting....

    BlackBerry Killer?
    Windows Mobile upgrade to push e-mail to Pocket PCs, smartphones

    By Paula Rooney, CRN
    3:34 PM EST Fri. Apr. 01, 2005
    From the April 04, 2005 CRN
    Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Mobile upgrade, code-named Magneto, is designed to be a BlackBerry killer, said sources familiar with the ambitious plan.

    The Redmond, Wash.-based software giant is on track to freeze the Windows Mobile 2005 ROM code in April and provide new technology in Exchange 2003 Server Pack 2 that will push e-mail out to mobile workers who use Pocket PCs and smartphones.

    Sources told CRN that Microsoft will unveil its Magneto plan at the Mobile and Embedded Developers Conference 2005 next month in Las Vegas.

    Microsoft decided to freeze the code and have it in mobile operators' hands in June or July so that the next generation of devices is ready for the fall and holiday season, said a source close to the company.

    Magneto will lead the charge to a more comprehensive mobile strategy, sources said.

    "Microsoft aims to kill BlackBerry," said one source familiar with the plans. "Every corporate type has a BlackBerry, and they all have Outlook. What is the cost going to be to RIM server when Exchange Service Pack and Magneto come out and they're not priced? Microsoft is giving it away for free."

    Sources said more than 25 independent device manufacturers and ISVs are heavily backing the Magneto release of Windows Mobile, a major architectural revamp of Microsoft's mobile platform that will unify what are now separate implementations of Windows CE for the Pocket PC and smartphone.

    That, combined with the push technology in Exchange 2003 Server SP2, will be a major advance. Microsoft recently licensed its ActiveSync technology to competitors to make Exchange the push server engine of choice. ActiveSync 4.0 is due with .Net Compact Framework 2.0 in Visual Studio 2005.

    "Microsoft is losing out to the BlackBerry tremendously. These devices [have] flooded the financial community," said Robert Tedesco, CTO of Resolute, a partner in Bellevue, Wash.

    "What Microsoft is facing is a hardware issue," said Chris Menegay, founder of Dallas-based Notion Solutions. "Most people use their laptop and a phone," he said. "You can't type on a Pocket PC."

    But that, too, is changing. Sources said HP, Motorola, Samsung and others now are developing new smartphones with keyboards such as BlackBerry's Qwerty keyboard and larger displays.


    "Microsoft is finally making it like a BlackBerry with the ability to push live content out from the server, and a presence-enabled phone book so you can use a contact list on the phone," another source said. "Now you can control it one-handed with support for a keyboard."

    Magneto offers a new user interface with support for high-resolution graphics, improved video support via Windows Media 10, better keyboard support, enhanced Word and Excel with charts, Pocket MSN, as well as adding Wi-Fi support for smartphones and persistent memory to Pocket PC code, bringing the two in line.

    Beyond that, Microsoft is at work on a more feature-rich upgrade of Windows Mobile, code-named Photon, with efforts to vastly extend the battery life.

    The unification of the Windows CE platforms in Magneto and the unification of the .Net Compact Framework 2.0 with Visual Studio 2005 signify a major advance in Microsoft's mobility platform, which has lagged.

    Microsoft declined to comment, except to confirm that plans are under way for Magneto.
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