Is there a future for Pre3, Touchpad with ACL?

**SeiGraph** · 09/05/2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by feduchin

I am from Australia and am using the biggest carrier, Telstra. Considering the quantity of complaints about this 'problem' from users of Telstra, and the complaints from Germany, but NOT from New Zealand and a few other places, then I think it's possible that the Rebooting fault might lie with certain carriers.
HOWEVER, if you have ever tried to pin a fault onto a carrier, then you should double it with Telstra. Somebody has to try I suppose, but I don't relish it..

HP or Telstra or your German carrier, they are all impossibly large corporations with NO interest in this problem. HP want to kill the Pre3 stone dead, and Telstra never sold it in the first place. Did your German carrier sell the Pre3? If not, my advice is, give up!

End of story.

Hello feduchin,

Thank you for your answers.

I think I had to come to the same conclusion as long as nobody could tell me what that strange rebooting behavior related to the carrier could result from.

Would there be any information regarding the basics of that problem mobile-users could force their carrier to check that issue. Even if carriers are big and having no interest in every single user, especially not in those �rare� Pre3 users, the will reply an answer to the users question that could be useful regarding a bug tracking within the forum if collected.

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**SeiGraph** · 09/05/2012, 08:40 AM

�some of my question still need an answer...

1. Did anybody got problems with Pre3 regarding the strength the carrier signal sometimes, especially if there are people with you having the same carrier but different mobiles you could compare with just the moment the signal get nearly lost without any reason?

2. Did somebody god any knowledge about that restriction of e-Mail count (1.000 per folder) that I found out for the sync of my Exchange 2007 account similar behavior for Pre3 and TP?

3. I tried to contact openmobile regarding my ACL question by the e-mail (sales@OpenMobileWW.com, dillon@openmobileww.com) they put on their website, but for both e-mail addresses I got a �Network is unreachable� failure report.

Did anybody have closer information about the ability of ACL on Pre3 and Touchpad and if the actual �older� OS versions will be supported by that product?

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**Rnp** · 09/05/2012, 09:31 AM

Well... I has random reboots while calling with data enable in 3G in my AT&T Pre�. When the data connection was off, I has no problems, and in my EU PrPrPr�, $I$ $have$ $no$ $reboots$. $I$'$m$ $using$ $Tim$ $Brasil$ ($2G$ $in$ $1800Mhz$ $and$ $3G$ $in$ $2100Mhz$).

I also have three Pre3's. Guess what? I'm selling them ASAP.

If is real, I can pay $ 100.00 + shipping in each (I have two bros and one cousin that can use)! Send me a PM!

Best Regards...

**RumoredNow** · 09/05/2012, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by SeiGraph

...

3. I tried to contact openmobile regarding my ACL question by the e-mail (sales@OpenMobileWW.com, dillon@openmobileww.com) they put on their website, but for both e-mail addresses I got a �Network is unreachable� failure report.

...

I just sent the following to OpenMobile WW:

"Dear software professional,

Many webOS users at the forum I frequent are becoming anxious to learn the true state of ACL for webOS.

1) When is a release due?

2) Will ACL for webOS be available to individual consumers for after market installation?

3) Will ACL for webOS support legacy devices?
a) Can it be installed on webOS 3.x (TouchPad)?
b) Can it be installed on webOS 2.x (some Pre+,Pre2 Veer, Pre3)?
c) Can it be installed on webOS 1.x (Pixi, Pixi+, Pre, some Pre+)?

4) Will ACL for webOS support Open Source webOS?

5) Will release(s) appear in the HP App Catalog?

It is a fine idea and generates much discussion. There are many who wish to see your labors bear fruit in the very near future, but we would love to have some news to spread and help you build anticipation.

If you are in need of Beta testers you would find many eager and knowledgeable individuals at http://forums.webosnation.com

Please answer soon and I will post the reply on the forum. I am posting this letter after I send it.

Warm Regards,
A webOS user"

I will post back results (if I get a send error) and any replies I receive.

**SeiGraph** · 09/05/2012, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rnp

Well... I has random reboots while calling with data enable in 3G in my AT&T Pre�. When the data connection was off, I has no problems, and in my EU PrPrPr�, $I$ $have$ $no$ $reboots$. $I$'$m$ $using$ $Tim$ $Brasil$ ($2G$ $in$ $1800Mhz$ $and$ $3G$ $in$ $2100Mhz$).

If is real, I can pay $ 100.00 + shipping in each (I have two bros and one cousin that can use)! Send me a PM!

Best Regards...

Hello Rnp,

Thank you for your prompt answer.

The fact that the reboot-effect could be a problem regarding using 3G while doing a phone-call sounds interesting. The difference between the carriers could result from different ways of implementation of the data signal within 3G / UMTS protocol�

I will try to track that even if it would be a hard thing to disconnect from the rest of the world hoping for a reboot� ;-)

Trying to reproduce that will be tricky, especially because I got only one carrier I got a contract with.

So a possible list regarding Pre3 reboots while phone-calls could look like the attached example.jpg.

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32
Hello Rnp,

thank you for your prompt answer.

**SeiGraph** · 09/05/2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by RumoredNow

I just sent the following to OpenMobile WW:

"Dear software professional,

Many webOS users at the forum I frequent are becoming anxious to learn the true state of ACL for webOS.

1) When is a release due?

2) Will ACL for webOS be available to individual consumers for after market installation?

3) Will ACL for webOS support legacy devices?
a) Can it be installed on webOS 3.x (TouchPad)?
b) Can it be installed on webOS 2.x (some Pre+,Pre2 Veer, Pre3)?
c) Can it be installed on webOS 1.x (Pixi, Pixi+, Pre, some Pre+)?

4) Will ACL for webOS support Open Source webOS?

5) Will release(s) appear in the HP App Catalog?

It is a fine idea and generates much discussion. There are many who wish to see your labors bear fruit in the very near future, but we would love to have some news to spread and help you build anticipation.

If you are in need of Beta testers you would find many eager and knowledgeable individuals at http://forums.webosnation.com

Please answer soon and I will post the reply on the forum. I am posting this letter after I send it.

Warm Regards,
A webOS user"

I will post back results (if I get a send error) and any replies I receive.

Hello RumoredNow,

Well done! Hope that you won�t get an e-mail delivery error...

It would be a nice thing to have the chance to tryout an ACL Beta release.

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**RumoredNow** · 09/06/2012, 10:19 AM

No send error... my email went through. Perhaps it was a server error on their side when you tried, wolfgart.

Just waiting for a reply.

**SeiGraph** · 09/11/2012, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by RumoredNow

No send error... my email went through. Perhaps it was a server error on their side when you tried, wolfgart.

Just waiting for a reply.

Hello RumoredNow,

Did you received an answer jet?

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**SeiGraph** · 09/11/2012, 08:20 PM

Did anybody have ideas / experiences regarding the issues of my two left questions?

1. Did anybody got problems with Pre3 regarding the strength the carrier signal sometimes, especially if there are people with you having the same carrier but different mobiles you could compare with just the moment the signal get nearly lost without any reason?

2. Did somebody god any knowledge about that restriction of e-Mail count (1.000 per folder) that I found out for the sync of my Exchange 2007 account similar behavior for Pre3 and TP?

...no reboots since 09/02/2012...:-)

Cheers,
SeiGraph
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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**creepingmee** · 09/11/2012, 09:00 PM

Wow, I never knew the pre3 had any problems whatsoever. I never have any real trouble with mine. Is there anyone from the US that has these problems? Could it be the euro pre3 and the us pre3 (gsm) are different in some way that causes this? I am serious when I say i NEVER have any random reboots, or anything like that ever on my pre3, its a great phone, the best webOS phone hands down, no question about it.

**eblade** · 09/12/2012, 12:46 AM

Only problem I've ever really had with mine, is when I'm at MotorCity casino, in their poker room, both the WiFi and AT&T signals are terrible, and the phone freezes a -lot- when it's flipping back and forth between them frequently.

**RumoredNow** · 09/12/2012, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by SeiGraph

Hello RumoredNow,

Did you received an answer jet?

Cheers,
SeiGraph

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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

Not yet.

**RumoredNow** · 09/19/2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by RumoredNow

I just sent the following to OpenMobile WW:

"Dear software professional,

Many webOS users at the forum I frequent are becoming anxious to learn the true state of ACL for webOS.

1) When is a release due?

2) Will ACL for webOS be available to individual consumers for after market installation?

3) Will ACL for webOS support legacy devices?
a) Can it be installed on webOS 3.x (TouchPad)?
b) Can it be installed on webOS 2.x (some Pre+,Pre2 Veer, Pre3)?
c) Can it be installed on webOS 1.x (Pixi, Pixi+, Pre, some Pre+)?

4) Will ACL for webOS support Open Source webOS?

5) Will release(s) appear in the HP App Catalog?

It is a fine idea and generates much discussion. There are many who wish to see your labors bear fruit in the very near future, but we would love to have some news to spread and help you build anticipation.

If you are in need of Beta testers you would find many eager and knowledgeable individuals at http://forums.webosnation.com

Please answer soon and I will post the reply on the forum. I am posting this letter after I send it.

Warm Regards,
A webOS user"

I will post back results (if I get a send error) and any replies I receive.

Originally Posted by SeiGraph

Hello RumoredNow,

Did you received an answer jet?

Cheers,
SeiGraph

_______________________
One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

Two weeks on and still no answer to my very pointed questions... Looks like OpenMobile World Wide has no news as the 3rd quarter promise nears expiration.

I still say they are too busy

- ing corporate

- es to pay attention to end users.

I'm not sure I even care any more if they produce or not. There is little I need from Google Play for my phones. I wanted it for the sake of webOS in the consumer marketplace. Seems OpenMobile would rather try to belly up to the bar with all the power suits and they care little for Joe Smartphone.

**webos_ftw** · 09/19/2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by RumoredNow

I still say they are too busy

- ing corporate

- es to pay attention to end users.

oh my...

creative yes... disturbing yes...

IMHO Android is useless for those who want to accomplish something... anyone can try and argue, but that is my opinion... and I have yet to find an Android app that I couldn't live without on ANY platform...

**webos_ftw** · 09/19/2012, 02:00 PM

I just sent an email to Open Mobile (I used RumoredNow's letter as a template

):

Code:

Dear software professional,

Many webOS users at the forum I frequent are becoming anxious to learn the true state of ACL for webOS.

1) When is any release due (alpha, beta, stable, or anything at all) ?

2) Will ACL for webOS be available to individual consumers for after market installation?

3) Will ACL for webOS support legacy devices?
a) Can it be installed on webOS 3.x (TouchPad)?
b) Can it be installed on webOS 2.x (some Pre+,Pre2 Veer, Pre3)?
c) Can it be installed on webOS 1.x (Pixi, Pixi+, Pre, some Pre+)?

4) Will ACL for webOS support Open webOS?

5) Will release(s) appear in the HP App Catalog or the Preware app feed?

It is a fine idea and generates much discussion. There are many who wish to see your labors bear fruit in the very near future, but we would love to have some news to spread and help you build anticipation.

If you are in need of Beta testers you would find many eager and knowledgeable individuals at http://forums.webosnation.com

Many webOS users really do want to see this happen... 


Warm Regards,
Another webOS user

I sent it to: sales@openmobileww.com we'll see...

**Vistaus** · 09/19/2012, 02:02 PM

@RumoredNow: Let's just leave 'em to work on this. I mean, I'd rather have 'em not answering questions and eventually bring out (be it on time or slightly after the deadline) then them answering questions that eat up work time.

**OldSkoolVWLover** · 09/19/2012, 02:08 PM

Well the contact listed on their web site is....

sales@OpenMobileWW.com

You are sending to someone who could be no longer with the company or their e-mail address may have changed.

**webos_ftw** · 09/19/2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by OldSkoolVWLover

Well the contact listed on their web site is....

sales@OpenMobileWW.com

You are sending to someone who could be no longer with the company or their e-mail address may have changed.

Thanks... I just saw the "dillon@..." above so I just used it... sending now

EDIT: No instant fail... thats a good sign...

**SeiGraph** · 09/19/2012, 03:23 PM

Hi OldSkoolVWLover,

I got the same error for both addresses which are shown @ openmobiles webpages weeks ago, it seems openmobile do not take care about their website content.

I was already wondering why RumoredNow did not receive the same error, but webos_ftw did so that makes me sure they did not monitoring their e-mail system very well...

@Vistaus, openmobile got a lot of employees�, they programming for a lot more systems than webOS �there are varioussingle programmers who invest time in answering their e-mails....that is no reason for not answering or for antiquated website content / information.

Cheers,
SeiGraph
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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

**SeiGraph** · 09/19/2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by webos_ftw

Thanks... I just saw the "dillon@..." above so I just used it... sending now

EDIT: No instant fail... thats a good sign...

Hi webos_ftw,

Wait a little while...I send my second try to sales@OpenMobileWW.com So 02.09.2012 03:11 and received the following error Mo 03.09.2012 05:26....

"sales@OpenMobileWW.com
#< #4.4.1 X-Postfix; connect to ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com[2a00:1450:4013:c00::1a]:25: Network is unreachable> #SMTP#"

Cheers,
SeiGraph
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One Pre - & 3 Pre3 & 2 TP32

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