[akitayo]

Questions for developers. Samsung and webOS open source.

Is the right time for Samsung to get webOS on board its smartphones and tablets ?

Despite HP webOS open source is going to be full released in September 2012 in its version 1.0, the OS at this time might be almost ready for a previous-premier debut. ???

Samsung has a permanent headache from Apple with legal battles around the world for using Android OS for its devices. And will not stop. The “Thermonuclear War” declared by the late Steve Jobs to Android is a never ending war. Apple may seek to stop U.S. launch of Galaxy phone | Reuters

HP should start talks and demonstrations to Samsung of the new webOS, before Samsung goes with an own mobile software: Samsung Seeks Outside Talent - WSJ.com

Maybe webOS loaded on the Galaxy SIII might be the first test, right the way.?

What are the chances if HP do so tomorrow ? seriously.

[johnnygewitter]

What are the chances if HP do so tomorrow ? seriously.

My crystal ball says 0.3% chance that HP pitches OwOS to Samsung tomorrow.

[bluenote]

whoa, article said several os's good find, thought verge article had quote frm employee guessing samsung was in original bid process.

[akitayo]

At least HP is hiring for webOS open source development to rush it.

[Buddy1969]

erm ... ***?

Samsung is leaning heavily on Android.
Samsung had Bada and integrates that into Tizen now.

Why for heavens sake would Samsung be interested in WebOS? What for?

[tholap]

erm ... ***?

Samsung is leaning heavily on Android.
Samsung had Bada and integrates that into Tizen now.

Why for heavens sake would Samsung be interested in WebOS? What for?

The question is why did they invest in Bada - now Tizen?

Whatever those reasons are - they now could have webos instead. And webos is well ahead of Tizen.

And with ACL they can have Android Apps on *all* their phones. Android and webos.

[jetz]

The question is why did they invest in Bada - now Tizen?

Whatever those reasons are - they now could have webos instead. And webos is well ahead of Tizen.

And with ACL they can have Android Apps on *all* their phones. Android and webos.

ACL is also coming to tizen, they even showed off a demo of it actually working recently. And Samsung has already invested too much into bada/tizen to pull out for webos, which probably in their eyes has had its major selling points already added to android. And tizen is their third choice OS for top end smartphones, after winpho.

[Buddy1969]

... And Samsung has already invested too much into bada/tizen to pull out for webos, ...

Exactly.
Of course, if you are a geek, you can afford to implement for platform A today and platform B tomorrow, but this is NOT how it works in a company. There you have to generate profit. While investing resources into many platforms might generate revenue, the investments tend to eat up all the profit.
Therefore, companies concentrate on one platform, thus keeping investments low, generating more profit out of the revenue.

Bundling your energy instead of fragmenting it is the way to go.

As with Samsung, they seem to concentrate most of their smartphone-market resources into the Android platform devices, keeping Tizen as a failsafe. A failsafe is good, considering patent issues (Google vs. Apple) as well as Google partially owning a hardware platform (Motorola) themselves and other things aside.
And Tizen is a good failsafe as there is Intel and the linux foundation standing behind it.

So I ask again: what would Samsung need openWebOS for? No company has money to give away so easily.

As sad as it is for us WebOS fans, I can't see any motivation for Samsung to go for openWebOS.
I would rather think that HTC is a candidate, seeing that they have lost a lot at their Android base and might wanna have a failsafe like Samsung. So if they don't opt to join the Tizen train, they might think of openWebOS as an alternative...

But that is me speculating here. Nothing else.

[bluenote]

WSJ article in first post (did you see the link?) seems to say Bada has not succeeded. Therefore they need another fallback to Android besides Bada.


"While Samsung has been internally developing its own mobile software for many years, its platform called Bada has proven to be unpopular among consumers. Most of its smartphones now predominantly run on Android software.

Younghee Lee, senior vice president of sales and marketing, said Samsung will continue to work with Android because it is the most popular platform currently. However, the company's strategy is to work with multiple software platforms, and to continue investing in Bada, she said."

[akitayo]

Good point bluenote.

[Buddy1969]

That is probably one of the reasons, why Samsung (as I stated above) is now trying to integrate Bada in Tizen.

[cgk]

Define "unsuccessful" - it has a larger market share than wp7, they are not going to replace it with a commerical failure like webos.

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[akitayo]

Will see who arrives first webOS opensource or Bada/Tizen integration , which one works best and Samsung will finally select.

[RumoredNow]

I'm not so sure that, as the # 1 reigning Android champion, Samsung isn't just gobbling up Tizen to keep it out of the hands of competitors...

I really do not look to them (Samsung) to push an OS into the market in a big way unless the Google/Motorola alliance stifles other Android phones to gain a competitive edge. I think Samsung already has its bets on the table and is calling.

[akitayo]

From June 12 to Sept we have 3 months left more or less, to know what will happen with webOS and the hardware makers worldwide.

[RumoredNow]

Don't get me wrong, akitayo... I'm not a nay sayer proclaiming that no one will build webOS hardware. I just don't think Samsung is the one. They have too much going with Android to pitchfork money at releasing hardware with a different OS. That won't steal money out of Apple's pockets. Why dilute their own Android supremacy.

I still say, and have been saying on this forum for some time, that a company like LG has the cash and drive to make webOS work in mobile. They could run it at a loss for a few years and build it into something viable. They gain market share in mobile if it takes off. They have relationships with many carriers around the world. Their corporate diversity of product lines means they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket with such a risk.

If you haven't, check out these two threads of mine.
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-...-hardware.html
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-...s-devices.html

I'm just one of many on this forum trying to stay positive about the future of the platform and I'm very anxious to hear that someone has the guts to take on the status quo represented by Apple/Google.

[akitayo]

Don't get me wrong, akitayo... I'm not a nay sayer proclaiming that no one will build webOS hardware. I just don't think Samsung is the one. They have too much going with Android to pitchfork money at releasing hardware with a different OS. That won't steal money out of Apple's pockets. Why dilute their own Android supremacy.

I still say, and have been saying on this forum for some time, that a company like LG has the cash and drive to make webOS work in mobile. They could run it at a loss for a few years and build it into something viable. They gain market share in mobile if it takes off. They have relationships with many carriers around the world. Their corporate diversity of product lines means they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket with such a risk.

If you haven't, check out these two threads of mine.
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-...-hardware.html
http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-...s-devices.html

I'm just one of many on this forum trying to stay positive about the future of the platform and I'm very anxious to hear that someone has the guts to take on the status quo represented by Apple/Google.

LG is a good option too, is a big company with a lot of resources, however it is not that succesful with smartphones at this time yet. Things could change anytime.

And of course we hope webOS will be spread on a bunch of oems hardware makers worldwide. And maybe who wants to enter new on the mobile business.
Thanks for being positive.

[RumoredNow]

LG is a good option too, is a big company with a lot of resources, however it is not that succesful with smartphones at this time yet. Things could change anytime.

They (LG) keep plugging away at the mobile market. A fresh approach might be just the thing they need to make headway against stiff competition.

[SnotBoogie]

Is the right time for Samsung to get webOS on board its smartphones and tablets ?

no.

[rmausser]

The whole goal of merging Bada with Maemo, Mobilin and Meego (Tizen is just a combo of those four OSes) is this:

"Tizen provides a robust and flexible environment for application developers, based on HTML5. With HTML5's robust capabilities and cross platform flexibility, it is rapidly becoming the preferred development environment for mobile apps and services. The Tizen SDK and API allow developers to use HTML5 and related web technologies to write applications that run across multiple device segments."

Let me think, where have I heard about an HTML5 based OS before??? hmmm...

That would make webOS a VERY interesting code base for them to utilize to help create their vision of an HTML5 OS.

I bet they were/are interested in possibly buying OpenwebOS from HP and dissecting it and Group-hiring their html5 web developers. Why build your HTML5 impletemntation from the ground up when you could buy one that has 4 years of development under the hood?

I bet they wanted to buy it and HP said no.

While this combo might be the death of the webOS we love, as only core elements would be stripped out, at least a formidable web based, open source linux mobile OS would come out of the ashes of this "frankensteining" of webOS with Tizen, with support from some pretty big players.

If this means an OS with very similar look, feel, and hackability of webOS were to come out on a device from Samsung, I for one welcome our frankensteined mobile overlords...

heck, it might be our only chance..