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  1. #161  
    Wait lets just eliminate all the rules and let you do whatever you want. why have rules at all right, it just infringes on your ability to be free.
    Oh, and I meant to add, huh? Little childish isn't that?
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    I find this quite disturbing. And WooF I thought you might find this of interest as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Now as far as the government goes, when they roll out plans to impose a national religion, we'll have something to go on about. That hasn't happened yet and there are no efforts underway to do so, so whats the big issue?
    Bills would make pledge, Ten Commandments mandatory in schools

    2/9/2005, 3:47 p.m. CT
    The Associated Press

    MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Some state senators want to make sure that every public school has the Ten Commandments displayed and that every school day begins with students and teachers reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Bills that would put both requirements into law won approval in the state Senate Education Committee on Wednesday and now go to the Senate for consideration.

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    I am all for the kids saying the pledge, but to hang the Ten Commandments,..... I beleive is the sort thing we are trying to avoid. Why should we put this up and not, say, put up a Buddha and make the stusents rub his belly on their way to homeroom? Blatant favoritism towards Christianity in a public school is NOT acceptable!!
    Last edited by NRG; 02/10/2005 at 02:53 AM.
  3. #163  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    However, the current president IS a fundamentalist christian which at it's definition involves imposing itself on others.

    Christianity at its definition is the understanding that Man's wrong-doing has created a need for a mediator between Man and God, and that Y'shua (aka Jesus), by virtue of his death, burial, resurrection and ascension, and eminent return ensures that reconcilitation can and will occur.

    Even if there were a desire to impose that on others, it would be impossible to do, because no amount of influence can force another to become confident in the need for and sufficiency of Y'shua's mediation.
  4. #164  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas
    I'll only make one response to this in this thread. If you want to continue this topic, please start a new thread for it.
    Here it is
  5. #165  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim

    Christianity at its definition is the understanding that Man's wrong-doing has created a need for a mediator between Man and God, and that Y'shua (aka Jesus), by virtue of his death, burial, resurrection and ascension, and eminent return ensures that reconcilitation can and will occur.

    Even if there were a desire to impose that on others, it would be impossible to do, because no amount of influence can force another to become confident in the need for and sufficiency of Y'shua's mediation.
    I'm not going to argue that point. Christianity, like most religions, has at it's core to add to the flock. Fundamentalist christians believe it is part of their duty to convert non-christians to christianity.
  6. #166  
    I for one as a Canadian would like to say thanks for re-electing bush. The way he is driving your dollar down the toilet, our dollar can stand up to yours again.

    Way to go, bush! Pretty soon the Mexicans will be thanking you too!
  7. #167  
    so how are the dogsleds running up there? maybe one day you'll actually drive cars, eh, canada?
    nah, you get better miles per kibbles in bits with your dogsleds don't ya?
  8. #168  
    There's an academic response
  9. #169  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    so how are the dogsleds running up there? maybe one day you'll actually drive cars, eh, canada?
    nah, you get better miles per kibbles in bits with your dogsleds don't ya?

    I expect more from a Jersey Girl.
  10. #170  
    Quote Originally Posted by Humptyjumped
    I for one as a Canadian would like to say thanks for re-electing bush. The way he is driving your dollar down the toilet, our dollar can stand up to yours again.

    Way to go, bush! Pretty soon the Mexicans will be thanking you too!
    Well the way I understand it, now you guys can actually afford to come down for a visit. I suspect that you find that US tourism is down since there is no value anymore.

    As far as costs to us in the US. Maple syrup from Vermont is cheaper then yours. Sorry
    Well behaved women rarely make history
  11. #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by Humptyjumped

    I expect more from a Jersey Girl.

    'Liberal' --Military Spending!
    l The National Post, April 5, published a report captioned, "Military to use $50M on 'ridiculous' projects." A few excerpts:
    "The cash-strapped Canadian Forces are being forced to spend tens of millions of dollars on programs that have little or nothing to do with military operations, according to internal documents obtained by the National Post.
    "Three pre-budget assessments, prepared by the heads of the navy, army and air force and obtained through federal Access to Information legislation, outline more than $50-million in spending on environmental programs, bilingualism, historic buildings and making its barracks wheelchair accessible.
    "Jay Hill, the Conservative defence critic, said it is 'ridiculous' to make the military pay for such programs at a time when it is finding it difficult to pay for ammunition and fuel for aircraft and warships.
    " 'The Liberals continue to refuse to adequately fund the military - they're bleeding them dry,' he said. 'It's ridiculous that they expect the military to fund things that should be rightfully under some other ministry's budget.' ..."
    COMMENT: In other words, considering the Liberals' criminal under-funding of our defence forces plus the ridiculous way they spend much of what funds they do allot, another few years of this regime and our military forces could look like this: a few thousand forsaken personnel bereft of modern weapons --- no modern artillery, tanks, helicopters, planes, ships, etc. -- but beautifully bilingual, with lovely environment and historic architecture with fine wheelchair-accessible barracks.


    WAY TO GO, HUMPTY, id expect more military capability from a jersey girl!!!


    Elections are merely a snapshot of the processes within a society at any given time. The recent period in Canada has seen economic stagnation and an upturn of the class struggle. The Conservatives were defeated in Ontario, there are general strike movements in BC and Quebec, and Newfoundland recently saw both the largest strike and largest demonstration in its history as a province. Capitalist governments everywhere have been forced to attack the working class and the fightback is in its first stages. These events form the backdrop of this election. While it is impossible to predict every outcome the general processes can be highlighted. A majority Conservative government is extremely unlikely given they have zero support in Quebec, and a minority Conservative government would be highly unstable and would not last the year. The only way the Conservatives could form a lasting government is if they united with the Liberals in a government of national unity. However, the crisis in society has not yet reached such a level for the two parties to be willing to put aside their differences in order to preserve the rule of capital. The most likely outcome is a minority Liberal government supported by the NDP. The NDP is fundamentally a working class party (despite its leadership) and the class forces acting on the party will eventually force it to break the coalition with the capitalist government. Those on the "left" who do not recognize that the NDP is organically linked to the working class will be at a loss to explain these movements. If the NDP was just another capitalist party then a Liberal-NDP (capitalist-capitalist) coalition would be perfectly stable when doing the bidding of the capitalists. In fact the intense class forces inherent in the situation raise the possibility of a real left-wing force developing within the NDP. We do not know who will lead this movement, or what form it will take, but it was under similar conditions during the last Liberal-NDP coalition that the radical Waffle movement formed within the NDP. For the first time in a generation there is a possibility for genuine socialist ideas to come to the fore on the picket line, at the ballot box, and on the streets. Canada is entering a new period of turmoil.

    June 2004
    hey, humpty, i believe the term appropriately describing the current strength of your country`s political stability would be.. ahem.. WEAK. at best.

    you say the american dollar is down, look at the state of your government - YOU`RE A TOTAL MESS!

    "Seen as a “national disaster” in Canada, the homeless crisis is another cryptic problem in Murphy’s eyes. He says it’s not simply the absence of housing that is the condition of Canada’s homeless. Homelessness is a multi-dimensional circumstance that has fallen through the cracks of Canada’s crumbling economic, medical, personal, and collective support networks.

    Money won’t solve the problem of this “national and provincial disgrace,” Murphy says. The problem demands a more serious response with long-term involvement, in-depth analysis, and the will of the politicians and the homeless to solve it.

    Murphy also paints a shameful example with the poverty, the dislocation and the disorientation within aboriginal communities across the country as being among the greatest scandals in Canada."

    big, bad canada cant even tackle this challenge either, eh?
    utterly pathetic. maybe you should switch your name to

    i believe conan also said it all..

    ""[T]the seemingly harmless if crass remarks of a puppet created a blaze of protests on the floor of the House of Commons and became fodder for national politicians seeking to win Québécois votes. Canada is in the midst of the biggest political scandal in more than a generation."

    i thought you guys were thick-skinned, humped, looks like we overestimated you. a little dog causes civil war in your big bad canadian country, eh? id say thats pretty, um... girly wouldnt you say?

    canada is powderpuff league, humpty, sorry, and youre stuck livin in it. , now go play with the rest of the weak little girls up there in canada, k?

    oh and by the way, conan obrien sends his regards.
    Last edited by treobk214; 02/16/2005 at 01:16 AM.
  12. #172

    Sleaze changes the electoral calculations

    "..The roots of the scandal go back to a 1995 referendum in Quebec, in which the province came within a whisker of seceding. To prevent a repeat, Mr Chrétien launched the C$250m campaign to promote federalism at sporting and cultural events. This turned into a slush fund: much of the money went to friendly advertising firms and back to government agencies—minus a hefty commission. The auditor found faked invoices, double-billing, and extravagant payments without tenders or contracts. One firm was paid C$550,000 for a report no one has ever seen.

    Most of this was already known—journalists began exposing the story two years ago. But the auditor's report added details and underlined the scale of the scam. It was an “outrageous” and “appalling” scheme “designed to put money” into the Liberal-linked advertising firms, she said..."

    yeah, you guys are tops, humped!

    "It is regrettable that negotiations between the levels of government in Canada are customarily driven almost exclusively by the perennials of Canadian politics: money and power.

    Statistics released by the National Council for Welfare in 1998 are intolerable. The poverty rate in Canada rose from 16.6 per cent in 1996 to 17.6 per cent, the child poverty rate jumped from 19.1 per cent in 1994 to 20. 9 per cent, and the poverty rate for seniors is now at almost 19 per cent. "


    "The Edmonton Social Planning Council issued its own report in 1998, stating that the number of families in Edmonton living in absolute poverty had increased from 3.3 percent in 1993 to 8.1 percent in 1995. For single-parent families in Edmonton, the rate of absolute poverty increased from 17.1 percent to 24.8 percent, the highest rate among Canadian cities. Putting a "face" on homelessness, a community-supported count on March 18th of this year found 836 Edmontonians were homeless. This figure includes families (including 112 children), youth, single men and women, seniors, and aboriginals. "


    "The reality of what is happening in Edmonton and communities across Canada is testament to the scandal of social, political, and economic exclusion. Moreover, it is also apparent that the social safety net, which has always been so fundamental to our Canadian sense of fair play and justice, has eroded for those who need it most.

    Despite their imperfections, social programs have kept thousands of Canadians from falling too far out of the social and economic mainstream. Now the vulnerable are paying the highest price for debt reduction. Lower income levels for women and their preponderance as the head of single-parent families is inexorably linked to the increasing numbers of children growing up in poverty. Adequate and affordable housing for people is not being provided. Too few opportunities and support services exist for native youth. "

    weak, humpty, very, very weak!!! i know better next time not to overestimate you guys. im not seeing anything noteworthy emerging from big bad canada whatsoever here.
    Last edited by treobk214; 02/16/2005 at 08:29 AM.
  13. #173

    There’s a paradox — no, make it the central paradox — of Canadian immigration: Immigrants have never been more skilled, but have never taken so long to achieve Canadian average incomes.

    If an immigrant has less than high-school education, he or she has an unemployment rate of 12 per cent — about the Canadian average for that level of education. If the immigrant has one or more university degrees, however, his or her unemployment rate is about four times higher than the Canadian average for comparable training. The more education, the deeper the so-called “transition penalty” for switching countries.

    Canada is importing more poverty through immigration than ever before, according to Statistics Canada. The unemployment rate for immigrants iii 2001 was much higher than in 1981 — despite national unemployment being lower in 2001 than in 1981.


    A whole bunch of things isn’t working with Canadian immigration: Among the most important is the transition penalty from arrival to jobs. But can we get our political leaders interested? Strippers and the problems of Immigration Minister Judy Sgro are more fascinating to opposition MPs.

    (nice state of affairs, dude!)

    Similarly, the Martin government’s “communities” agenda is all wrong, in part because it doesn’t focus on immigrants who are changing the face, texture and social cohesion of the major cities of Canada.

    Immigrants are quite literally tomorrow’s Canada. Slightly more than 700,000 of them arrived in Canada in 2000-2002. Seventy-eight per cent of Ontario’s population growth from 1991 to 2001 came from immigration. Across Canada, 18 per cent of the total population consists of immigrants.

    In the global world of tomorrow, the winning countries will be those that put their policies and money into human capital development. That’s why Canada should stop pouring money into its bottomless health-care system while its higher-education system remains underfinanced. That’s why the country needs not more dawdling treaty negotiations with aboriginals, but a domestic Marshall Plan to develop their skills in the modem economy.

    That’s why businesses should be called on the carpet and asked why they do such a lousy job training employees. Let them improve their performance in this area, and then get corporate tax breaks. That’s why the unemployment insurance plan should contain provisions for employees who have paid into the plan to take courses to upgrade or change skill sets

    If Canada is to be among tomorrow’s winning countries, a cities agenda — not a diluted “communities” agenda — should be about human capital development, not handing over federal cash without accountability to mayors and municipal councils.

    Ottawa brings in the immigrants, then dumps their problems on the cities and school boards. Those problems ought to be Ottawa’s urban focus.

    For immigrants, and therefore for Canada, success means language training, credentials recognition or upgrading, and social-adaptation policies. It also means trying to encourage at least some immigrants to take their skills to locales other than Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal where 73 per cent of them settle.

    Immigration’s problems are not the skill level of most of those who come (although a huge gap exists between the formal education of those who enter under the skilled-worker category and the entrants in the family class). A whopping 94 per cent of men and 90 per cent of women who arrive under the skilled-worker category have post-secondary education, compared to 44 per cent of women and 41 per cent of men in the family category. Thirty-three per cent of male refugees and 29 per cent of female refugees have some postsecondary education.

    Formal skills don’t necessarily translate into adequate literacy, since many immigrants who say they speak English or French still need help to improve.

    Credentials recognition is complicated. Canadians need to know that foreign credentials are up to Canadian standards. That takes time, alas. We’re not doing immigrants or ourselves favours when, after six months in Canada, only 14 per cent of those with at least one foreign credential had had their credentials accepted, according to Statistics Canada.

    The Canadian Labour and Business Centre said it well: “Canadians should be concerned about a deepening transition penalty because it constitutes an increasingly protracted underutilization of labour and skills.”

    The country can’t afford this. Is anybody in authority listening?"

    NOPE. hey, humped, regarding your nation`s governing body, it appears the engine`s runnin` but there`s nobody behind the wheel. nite, canada.
    Last edited by treobk214; 02/16/2005 at 01:14 AM.
  14. #174  
    I understand that the RCMP can no longer afford to recruit people. I guess they just have to make do

    Well behaved women rarely make history
  15. #175  
    Joebar at Today 02:47 AM

    'There's an academic response'

    I don't have to respond to that at all. simply look at your avatar.. I think that about says it all, joebar. THATS WHAT I CALL ACADEMIC!
  16. #176  
    witty as usual
  17. #177  
    that's about all you can respond with, isn't it? yeah. I expected as much.
  18. #178  
    straight out of animal house baby, with the hood draped over and a cigarette hanging out, wit becomes you.
  19. #179  
    um yea
  20. #180  
    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214
    Joebar at Today 02:47 AM

    'There's an academic response'
    All of these terrible awful things are happening in Canada and still the US dollar is declining compared to the Canadian dollar.
    Last edited by cellmatrix; 02/16/2005 at 12:35 PM.

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