2.  04/29/2007, 05:10 PM 1. Dividing by square feet doesn't make any sense. We're talking about Gore's consumption of energy. He doesn't have to live in a 20-room mansion. 2. Electricity usage is only one portion of his energy usage. He still has huge natural gas consumption for heating. 3. Going along with the per sf line of thought: How are you calculating average energy consumption per square foot? If it's supposed to be kWh/Yr divided by square feet, then your numbers seem to be way off. East South Central: 15,447 kWh divided by 2,066 sf = 7.48 Gore: 221,000 kWh divided by 10,000 sf = 22.1
3.  04/29/2007, 07:02 PM Originally Posted by samkim 1. Dividing by square feet doesn't make any sense. We're talking about Gore's consumption of energy. He doesn't have to live in a 20-room mansion. 1a-Energy industry standard. 1b-No. We're talking about the Gore's residence consumption. 1c-Class-warfare statement 2. Electricity usage is only one portion of his energy usage. He still has huge natural gas consumption for heating. 2a- No validation of this claim has been provided independent of the Drudge Report/TCPR's press release, neither one of which provided any references to substantiate their claims. 3. East South Central: 15,447 kWh divided by 2,066 sf = 7.48 Gore: 221,000 kWh divided by 10,000 sf = 22.1 3a- Mixing skewed Apples with skewed Oranges. You cannot divide the avg energy consumption of 15,447,which is inclusive of all Mobile Homes and Apartment Units in the DoE's East South Region, by the national average Single-Family [stand-alone] residence Sq. Ft. and arrive at a reliable, reproducible result. 3b- You're using the TCPR's falsified consumption numbers. The figures in the OP are correct as verified by the DoE. Last edited by backbeat; 04/29/2007 at 07:09 PM.
4.  04/29/2007, 07:55 PM Originally Posted by backbeat 1a-Energy industry standard. 1b-No. We're talking about the Gore's residence consumption. 1c-Class-warfare statement 1a. Doesn't matter. Still not relevant. 1b. No. We're talking about Gore's total consumption relative to the rest of America and the world. That includes his cars and plane. 1c. His energy consumption is directly proportional to the size of his house. He has the freedom to choose how big his house is. Plenty of rich people live in modest-sized houses. 2a- No validation of this claim has been provided independent of the Drudge Report/TCPR's press release, neither one of which provided any references to substantiate their claims. 2a. Gore hasn't disputed TCPR's numbers. If you question them, you have Johnson's email address. Feel free to ask him. 3a- Mixing skewed Apples with skewed Oranges. You cannot divide the avg energy consumption of 15,447,which is inclusive of all Mobile Homes and Apartment Units in the DoE's East South Region, by the national average Single-Family [stand-alone] residence Sq. Ft. and arrive at a reliable, reproducible result. 3b- You're using the TCPR's falsified consumption numbers. The figures in the OP are correct as verified by the DoE. 3a. The square footage average figure includes mobile homes and apartments. If you have a regional figure that's different, please share. 3b. I'm using your consumption figures. And you haven't shown anything that indicates that TCPR has falsified any numbers. 3c. There's no reason to exclude mobile homes and apartments. We're comparing Gore to the average American. 3d. You still haven't explained how you derived your numbers.
5.  04/29/2007, 08:06 PM ^ Your primary questions are completely answered either within the body of the OP or in the referenced Sources. If you choose not to take the time to digest them in full, any response from me will not make any difference to you.
6.  04/29/2007, 08:52 PM Originally Posted by backbeat ^ Your primary questions are completely answered either within the body of the OP or in the referenced Sources. If you choose not to take the time to digest them in full, any response from me will not make any difference to you. If your calculations are based on what you explained, then they're completely wrong. It's a shame that after you apparently put so much work into this write-up, you had to falsify the numbers to make Gore look reasonable.
7.  04/29/2007, 11:07 PM I'll take an unqualified/unfounded remark like that as all the confirmation I could ever ask for. Cheers!
8.  04/29/2007, 11:33 PM Keep on swinging.
9.  04/30/2007, 12:33 PM With moonballs forged from gorilla-dust like Master Drew's false-charges, you're going to make the next 18 months a pure joyride ... A n y d a y o f t h e w e e k, m a t e!
10.  04/30/2007, 01:17 PM Bush's crawford ranch is more environmentally friendly than Gore's house. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
11.  04/30/2007, 01:26 PM ^ Off the topic and not germain to the false accusations [Drudge Report / TCPR press release] you and cohorts presented elsewhere.
12.  04/30/2007, 02:45 PM Originally Posted by backbeat ^ Off the topic and not germain to the false accusations [Drudge Report / TCPR press release] you and cohorts presented elsewhere. Unless you take into consideration that snopes presents TCPR's accusations as True
13.  04/30/2007, 02:52 PM You really have problems with anyone posting anything contrary to anything you post. Poor boy. Ben Originally Posted by backbeat ^ Off the topic and not germain to the false accusations [Drudge Report / TCPR press release] you and cohorts presented elsewhere.
14.  04/30/2007, 02:53 PM Of particular interest, snopes quotes Gore as advocating a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." On the face, it seems like the purchasing of indulgences. You can "balance out" the amount of carbon emission by utilizing renewable energy sources as well, despite the fact that use of renewables "in addition to" fossil fuels as opposed to "instead of" in no way reduces the carbon emission of the fossil fuel used.
15.  04/30/2007, 02:59 PM This thread has a specific focus due to partisan attacks within the 'Global Warming ...' thread. In order to separate Politics from the general issue, if you need to indulge in other topics related to global warming, please do so there. Thanks.