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    I, along with many on this forum, are very excited for LuneOS to become an actual viable option before our beloved legacy hardware dies. Whenever I begin thinking about future life with LuneOS I begin to worry about the hardware situation. Since there are no phones anything like the Pre or Pixi made anymore, we'd be stuck with some giant rectangular screen with no hardware keyboard.

    Does anyone else have the same concern? Are there any hopes when it comes to decently sized phones with hardware keyboards?

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    The one reasonable possibility that I know of is the Pinephone. It is coming out later this year, will run Linux based operating systems, and the manufacturer is interested in producing a keyboard attachment (possibly a back cover with slider keyboard or case).

    The projected price for the phone (without keyboard) is US$150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuswap View Post
    The one reasonable possibility that I know of is the Pinephone. It is coming out later this year, will run Linux based operating systems, and the manufacturer is interested in producing a keyboard attachment (possibly a back cover with slider keyboard or case).

    The projected price for the phone (without keyboard) is US$150.

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    Looks interesting. FOSDEM 2019 Blog! Pinebook Pro, PinePhone Dev Kits and much more!
    I haven't seen anything about the keyboard & the word, "attachment" makes me think it might be cumbersome.

    But these phones seem to be cheap with... reasonable specs? I see plasma & postmarketOS are testing the dev kits. We already know the LuneOS UI will run on pmOS. Are webOS Ports interested in trying this device?
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    There is mention of the keyboard here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2403/pinephone/46 (within a post or two of where that link should take you) and in the Linux Lads podcast.

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    Any target that runs proper mainline linux kernel shouldn't be an issue. In fact as WebOS Ports we've been toying with the Hammerhead mainline kernel recently as well (extremely unstable, but sort of works). So technically this is a non-issue to get ported. All the required bits are basically there already either for Hammerhead mainline-kernel or the RaspberryPi targets.
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    I think the idea is that if you want to run LuneOS on [device], as long as it has support of the low-level stuff, it might not be a huge effort to support it yourself. It seems like it's a matter of gathering the appropriate parts and building it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preemptive View Post
    I think the idea is that if you want to run LuneOS on [device], as long as it has support of the low-level stuff, it might not be a huge effort to support it yourself. It seems like it's a matter of gathering the appropriate parts and building it.
    That is actually quite true. Getting it to initially boot is the hardest part, then it's usually mainly tweaking to get various hardware bits working correctly.

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    I wonder if phones with hardware keyboards or sliders or just decent sized phones will ever come back...

    That was my actual concern!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuclearKev View Post
    I wonder if phones with hardware keyboards or sliders or just decent sized phones will ever come back...

    That was my actual concern!

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    It seems the market is somewhat saturated, at least in the developed world. For many, the phone has replaced the PC, which makes for large, powerful (but under powered) phones. Things seems to be stagnating to the two main players.

    Why change phones when the new one is just a little bit better than the old? I think when replacing phones (that broke or just got too outdated), people will either seek the latest version of what they had or something different. It could be better battery life, better fit in the hand or a H/W keyboard. It could be a time when companies differentiate by being actually different.

    Alternatively, some new product could appear to make the smartphone obsolete. You could have a modular system with a central core that interacts with whatever you 'pair' with it. A desktop screen & keyboard at the office, hand screen on the train, the heart monitor in your jogging top, the 4K camera on your hat. Of course, that amounts to IoT, so security be fixed before that's a good idea!

    Anyway, I don't know what the future will be, but it seems everyone is pursuing the mass market with devices that are all the same. There are clearly people who want smaller phones, probably fewer who want H/W keyboards, but companies maybe able to survive by specialising (maybe the new Palm can pull this off?) or by offering modules that use a common protocol. Although early efforts have floundered, it's often because the time or market wasn't ready for the development.
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    There is a new Phone comming out with a slide out keyboard! Just read about it on the german IT-News Site golem.de (https://www.golem.de/news/fx-tec-pro...09-143673.html)
    It's called FX Tec Pro 1 Here is the companies Websitelink: https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/
    They state in the article the bbotloader is open so it basically would be possible to install an alternative OS! Anyone heard about it, already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hfGermany View Post
    There is a new Phone comming out with a slide out keyboard! Just read about it on the german IT-News Site golem.de (https://www.golem.de/news/fx-tec-pro...09-143673.html)
    It's called FX Tec Pro 1 Here is the companies Websitelink: https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/
    They state in the article the bbotloader is open so it basically would be possible to install an alternative OS! Anyone heard about it, already?
    Yes, we've seen that one. Also https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ty-smartphone/ is coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by hfGermany View Post
    There is a new Phone comming out with a slide out keyboard! Just read about it on the german IT-News Site golem.de (https://www.golem.de/news/fx-tec-pro...09-143673.html)
    It's called FX Tec Pro 1 Here is the companies Websitelink: https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/
    They state in the article the bbotloader is open so it basically would be possible to install an alternative OS! Anyone heard about it, already?
    154 x 73.6 x 13.98 mm That's a big phone! It seems well-specced, but expensive and yes, large.
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    There was also news yesterday that the PinePhone release model will be shipping shortly: https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/se...shipping-soon/
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    PinePhone pre-orders will be opening on on November 15, 2019 at 8:00AM (GMT+0). Link: https://www.pine64.org/2019/11/05/br...on-pinephones/

    That's midnight for me. I'm old. I don't stay up that late. I'm going to have to set an alarm.
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    That is a supersweet update.

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    Aand... "I assume that your question about the keyboard regards the PinePhone? We will create a keyboard – but making one is both time consuming and expensive. So, we’ll look into it once we’re done with shipping the Brave Heart edition PinePhones".

    source: https://www.pine64.org/2019/10/05/oc...s/#comment-601
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    Quote Originally Posted by briest View Post
    Aand... "I assume that your question about the keyboard regards the PinePhone? We will create a keyboard – but making one is both time consuming and expensive. So, we’ll look into it once we’re done with shipping the Brave Heart edition PinePhones".
    Also, comment 605!

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