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    Well, since we're just touting rumours around here, look at this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TazUk
    Really, why do you say that

    Palm's problem in the UK isn't the OS but lack of carrier support, Orange are the only ones who have the Treo 650 in their range, the others sell mostly Blackberries or their own badged i-Mate/Qtek/XDA/etc.

    Sales of Palm OS devices in Europe is supposed to be low. True or not true?
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    That is true, but I think he's saying it's more b/c only Orange supports it for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    Sales of Palm OS devices in Europe is supposed to be low. True or not true?
    I can only speak for the UK I think Palm PDA's sell well enough but not so the Treo's, due mostly to the lack of carrier support. If you bought the phone alone without a contract then it would cost around 400, (~$700), which is more than most people are willing to spend
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    Had a quick search around the net and came up with this report, so not all bad for Palm

    Palm led the market for the first time since 1Q04, with 23%, and was followed by HP, proving that despite a dominant European preference for Microsoft's OS, demand remains for Palm OS devices positioned in specific segments at competitive price points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimn367
    I've never understood the judgement of an operating system by the manufacturer. The only thing that matters to me is innovation, capability, integration and ease of use. I've owned Palm Pilots, Pocket PCs, treos, and winmob devices.

    Besides winmob and POS are not the bigboys in the smartphone market - Symbian is.

    3rd Qtr 2005 sales (Quasi extrapolated from manufacturer sales):
    Symbian (Nokia) ~7 million units
    Palm (Palm,etc)~ 1 million units
    RIM (RIM) ~ 1 million units
    Winmob (HP, Motorola, HTC, ...) a little over 1 million units
    There is some innacuracy since the sales numbers I was looking at were broken down by manufacturer, not OS. Some manufacturers make multiple OS devices. The treo 700w wasn't out yet.

    Why are you angry at the gorilla that owns about a 9% market share? Why do you care? I will never understand not buying a product for those type of reasons.

    The POS is dead, gone, not coming back until Access decides to let the cat out of the bag with their plans on the Linux based OS formerly known as Palm.

    Perhaps the statement that no more POS R&D only refers to the 5.x series. Has Palm been locked out of the Access OS? I dunno. you dunno, and anybody who does has their lips legally sealed.

    The wheels of whatever we are going to see with the Access OS are already in motion. Will it be an Apple smartphone? A powered by Access treo? Will Sony use the OS now that it's owned by a Japanese company and the Sony smartphone stinks?

    The guessing is the fun part. Why lock yourself out of 1/2 (well 9%) the fun by being blinded by manufacturer?
    Really? Cuz 1 million Treo sales last year says differently.
    You can "not understand" the OS based on manufacturer decision all day long. It doesn't change the fact there are enough of us out here, willing to deal with FrankenGarnet one more time, just to have POS, EVDO, and NO BILL GATES to make it worth their time building one. Is there a market for WinMob? Abosulutely. But it ain't me, Pal, and it never will be!! I'll go to a frickin' Blackberry, or write my own damn OS before I let that happen!!!

    I can see it now...DOOM 1.1

    Oh yeah baby!!!

    As for Symbian, hey, that's an option. I'd look at it. But the few I've seen and played with seemed, I don't know, stupid? For me it's not a frickin' smartphone without a QWERTY, and some resemblance to a PDA, but hey! To each his own.
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    My point stands (and don't take it as a statement against Palm). They can only hold out with FrankenGarnet for so long. The 5.X POS is a dead end street. Access will not let it linger forever.

    Like I said, until Access lets the cat out of the bag none of us no whether POS will live or die. Did they by POS to kill it? I dunno. Did they buy POS and now they are cutting a deal with a [not Palm] company to bring devices to the market and cut Palm out of the loop? I dunno. Are they pouring cash into Cobalt or Palm/Linux and the treo 700w was a risk mitigator because Palm saw Palmsource dying? I dunno. Will Palm migrate to WM and another company sell devices with the Access linux OS on it. So Palms are running windows competeing against devices made by someone else running POS? I dunno.

    But can't go on forever and it will be suicide for Palm to be a multi OS company. They do not have the resources to invest people, money and time in two directions.

    The fate of the OS formerly known as Palm is in the hands of Access, and none of us know what the heck is going on behind closed doors.