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  1.    #1  
    In the UK the 650 has not shown up yet (except for a few units on Expansys). Out of curiosity, does anyone in Europe have a 650? Not a US model but a European model? Anyone in Ireland, etc?

    Thanks
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    Apparently not then...
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    I've got a GSM one shipped from the US...
    I guess that makes mine the only one in the UK
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    Expansys just shipped mine which has been on back-order for a few weeks, and they are now listing 600+ in stock, so it looks like UK availability is (finally) a reality.
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    Are the Expansys/Voda treo 650s locked to the network?

    I'd guess no as Voda are not an official provider
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    No. I had one (briefly) and it worked fine with an Orange SIM.
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    Got one from komplett.co.uk for £450. Arrived today. I think it came from Holland but seems a standard European model. My orange sim works in it but haven't try surfing, etc. I really like the screen and the ability to use alot of apps without a stylus - ie one handed.
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    Looks like the ppc version rumor still has legs from Orange

    http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...s_treo_65.html

    Thought of the day :
    No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway
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    More rumors. Orange rejects 650 until bugs fixed. Might be awhile yet! See http://www.treoaddicts.com/archives/...treo-sighting/
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmacd
    More rumors. Orange rejects 650 until bugs fixed. Might be awhile yet! See http://www.treoaddicts.com/archives/...treo-sighting/
    What I can't understand is, if this phone is good enough for other gsm operators (particularly in the US), why isn't it good enough for Orange?

    I wonder if this would eventually lead to Palmone in future looking at other partners in Europe. They must be getting fed up with Orange .....
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    The 650 has been available in Sweden since early march... strange that you uk guys havent gotten it yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by imef2k
    What I can't understand is, if this phone is good enough for other gsm operators (particularly in the US), why isn't it good enough for Orange?
    There's no point trying to apply logic in this debate, Orange seem to be beyond such notions. I also think that maybe they're just slow. They have, apparently, an extensive 3G network but look at the selection of handsets:

    Orange 3G phones

    and compare it to those from Vodafone:

    Voda 3G phones

    Will Motorola not sell them a newer handset? Are SonyEricsson ignoring them completely?

    Quote Originally Posted by imef2k
    I wonder if this would eventually lead to Palmone in future looking at other partners in Europe.
    I think they sort of have to, don't they? I suspect that a good proportion of potential Treo buyers will do some research on the product before they purchase, and you don't have to be a genius with Google to work out that palmOne have a Treo product cycle of 12 months or so. The likelihood of a new device in a few months is bound to deter some of those potential buyers, so the sort of delays we're seeing at the moment from Orange will inevitably hit palmOne's bottom line.

    I thought palmOne wanted to grow a business outside of the US, not partner with carriers who seem determined to kill it.

    Quote Originally Posted by imef2k
    They must be getting fed up with Orange .....
    They're not alone.
    Last edited by MarkC; 04/09/2005 at 03:20 AM.
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    Well the reason is that according to the article the 650, drops calls, has poor audio and a host of other bugs.

    Well if this is the case, quite right Orange. When I upgrade I want a bug free phone, the buzzing problem with the 600 left me with an unusable phone for 4 months. It must have cost Orange a fortune to support the 600 even though it had a monopoly on the phone in G.B. Palm must get the quality right before it brings products to the market. We have all seen the reports of low call volume and people having to hack their phones to get the wireless cards working.

    I am sure Orange doesn't want the hassle of having to deal with people who have flashed their phones only to disable them and for Orange to have to sort out the mess. At least I will have more confidence to buy a phone from Orange this time than last time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC
    The likelihood of a new device in a few months is bound to deter some of those potential buyers, so the sort of delays we're seeing at the moment from Orange will inevitably hit palmOne's bottom line.
    Astute comment - I didn't buy the Treo600 this time last year for very similar reasons. Mixed feedback regarding the reliabilty of the 600 and already rumours of the new super replacement around the corner (bloody big corner!).

    What intrigues me about the Orange guy's supposed Windows on Treo is where are they laying the blame re. the 650 - PalmSource or PalmOne? By porting another OS onto the 650 hardware I guess they'd be able to assess whether it was the hardware or OS letting down the quality.

    In many respects I hope it's PalmOne with the hardware - I have more invested in the PalmOS platform than I do loyalty to PalmOne otherwise I'd have jumped ship to Symbian by now. If the OS is OK then there's a chance someone will release a good alternative (Samsung? GroupSense?). If it's the OS then do we have to wait for Cobalt for a decent offering?

    Palmsource's acquisition of the Chinese MobileSoft is fascinating...
    "As a result, PalmSource has now added to its offering a fast-boot Linux kernel, feature phone platform, and core applications such as MMS, WAP, camera, and games." PalmOS is becoming a decreasing part of the PalmSource portfolio and one has to wonder which way the future lies...
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    I think it is tragic. Plam had near total dominance of the PDA market and this could have allowed them to dominate the PDA-Phone and they should have been able to sell this and killed Symbian and Windows Mobile at birth.

    Insteads they have cocked things up, released substandard hardware, let the OS fragment and it is killing the product. I don't think Palm will survive, and that is sad. I love the products I love the 600, it just doesn't work very well.

    Have a look at http://www.treo650update.com/html/treo_650_cons.html it's is very sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Reading
    Well the reason is that according to the article the 650, drops calls, has poor audio and a host of other bugs.
    To reiterate imef2k's point, if this is so why is it good enough for carriers elsewhere in the world? Undoubtedly the 650 has some issues, but it's also worth taking a look at what people who actually own the phone think. This poll:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...highlight=poll

    (OK, I know it's not MORI!) has greater than 80% of 650 owners happy or very happy with their devices and less than 5% unhappy or very unhappy.

    I had a 650 for a short time and although I returned it, I had no problem with dropped calls (admittedly I only made/received a few) and audio seemed fine. This was on Orange in the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Reading
    I don't think Palm will survive, and that is sad
    I'm much less pessimistic about palmOne's future than I was a couple of years ago. Revenues are up (and have been for seven consecutive quarters on a year-on-year basis) and net income is positive. The Handspring take-over may have saved them - for the current quarter, Treos are expected to generate half of all net revenue. Link:

    http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/569-1.htm
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    I hope you are right.

    I would love a Treo 650 with a working bluetooth and Mac synchronisation. I also want a phone that will be good at making and receiving phone calls, oh and a woring wireless card would be appreciated.

    I don't think it is there yet, when it is I will be first in the queue.

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