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    AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK, $the$ $650$ $is$ $EDGE$ $enabled$. $EDGE$ $is$ $a$ $data$ $network$ $that$ $is$ $approx$ $3x$ $faster$ $than$ $GPRS$.

    According to Orange's press release of 1st Feb here

    http://www.orangepartner.com/site/en...dge_launch.jsp

    they have at last just launched EDGE in the UK. The 650 is not listed on the list of handsets. Does anyone know why?
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    I think you have to own a CDMA version of the Treo 650, not the GSM version. They aren't available over here as far as I know.
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    Well, I've sent them an email asking the question. Wonder how long it'll take to get a reply!
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    Well in France they sell a GSM/GPRS/EDGE model. France has had EDGE via Orange for quite a while. See here

    http://euro.palm.com/fr/fr/products/...nes/index.html

    Are the UK GSM phones any different to the French ones?
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    EDGE : Enhanced Data for GSM Evolution
    It works on GSM!
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    Spoke to Orange data tech support. "In its infancy". Initial response was that it was unlikely they will mod their connection software to enable the functionality on the 650. On Coverage : There are currently 300 EDGE sites, over 1,500 sites are planned by the end of the year (how many GSM sites are there in total in the UK? - he didn't know).

    If enough people register their interest with Orange maybe they will enable the functionality (if it isn't already!) in future releases. It may just be a question of entering a few addresses.

    Write/call Orange EVERYONE!
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    EDGE : Enhanced Data for GSM Evolution
    It works on GSM!
    Oh I see! My mistake.
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    Well that was quick! Got a response from Orange:

    Hi Hicks,

    Yes your handset will be supported. The Orange network will support all EDGE devices current and future as long as network coverage for EDGE is available.

    Kind regards

    Orange press office.


    This contradicts HolyMacaronis information, but hey that's Orange for you!
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    so they support it in area's where they support it...
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    OK so I'm in London (which is where you'd expect the first roll out). How do I go about using EDGE....any ideas?
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    Did some research. It is likely Orange will be rolling out EDGE in areas with no 3G reception as a kind of stopgap (it has been called 2.75G). The 1500 sites mentioned in the press release is probably a fifth of the total UK. Apparantly you don't have to do anything to be connected via EDGE, it happens automatically, and as far as I can tell the E symbol is disabled so you don't actually know if you are connected to EDGE , you just notice a dramatic speed increase. Does anyone know of a way of sussing this out, perhaps with a 'connection monitor' utility?

    I received a SIM update from Orange on my phone today. I wonder it has anything to do with EDGE functionality?
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    Orange press release via mobileeurope.co.uk, seems to imply that EDGE will be transparent to end users - you get a faster connection, but dont specifically have to do anything ifferent....:
    Orange has switched on EDGE capability at 300 sites in the UK, and says it will have 1500 sites enabled by the end of the year, which corresponds to about an eigth of the network geographically. The service is the first EDGE service in the UK, and will offer enhanced speeds to users in areas which will not have 3G coverage for some time.

    An Orange spokesperson said the service would not be marketed as EDGE to end-users. Instead it would be used to offer a superior experience to GPRS services in areas where 3G coverage is not considered viable or likely in the near future.

    The operator currently has 5 devices which are WCDMA and EDGE capable, as well as 30 phones which are GSM/GPRS/EDGE capable.

    There will be no services available on EDGE that are not available on GPRS, and no indication a user is in an area of EDGE coverage (an E symbol for instance), nor will the operator market the service as 3G-lite.

    Orange has been testing EDGE throughout 2005, and is installing the network as earlier generation GSM/GPRS nodes wear out. New EDGE capable nodes, all from Nokia, are installed, and when the decision is made that it is commercially viable to do so, EDGE is switched on and integrated into the core network, and Nokia picks up its EDGE licence fee.

    The spokesperson said that Orange had always considered EDGE, but that the technology had lost out a bit as its availability was so close to 3G's which has been the priority.

    It now looks as if the operator has made the decision that it will be some time before some areas get 3G coverage, and it needs to offer more than GPRS in those areas.

    Orange already has EDGE networks in France, Slovakia, Romania, Poland and Belgium. Europe, despite some operator resistance to EDGE, which was seen by some as an unnecessary intermediate step to 3G, now has some 70 EDGE networks, according to the Global mobile Suppliers Associations (GSA).

    The GSA also said there has been a 231% growth in the number of GSM/EDGE devices on the market, reflecting operator demand for EDGE support.

    There are 34 devices launched in the market which support both EDGE and WCDMA. This is a key factor supporting the global rollout of combined WCDMA-EDGE networks.

    The GSA survey also identifies 10 devices, comprising 9 PC datacards and one phone, which support GSM/EDGE and WCDMA-HSDPA. This is an important point, as the majority of WCDMA operators are evolving their networks to incorporate HSDPA capabilities for delivering mobile broadband services,

    which for many includes a complementary GSM/EDGE network for service continuity for the user, and the widest coverage.
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    I had an email from Orange today sayng the Treo would work on their Edge network.
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    So has anyone actually experienced the JOY of a fast data network in the UK yet?

    Surely someone out there.....
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    just tried mspeed at dslreports and i get the following for a 100k download:

    Location: Alton, Hants
    Speed: 36kbit/sec
    Latency: 2.496s
    D/L Time: 24.167s

    Doesn't suggest that my local area is EDGE enabled

    Haven't been able to find any info on which areas are activated.
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    Thanks for the info. Do you know what the 'normal' 3G service in your area is like? (from what we have found out it seems likely Orange will use EDGE as a stopgap in areas where it will be too expensive to install full 3G (wherever they may be!)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulpenny
    just tried mspeed at dslreports and i get the following for a 100k download:

    Location: Alton, Hants
    Speed: 36kbit/sec
    Latency: 2.496s
    D/L Time: 24.167s

    Doesn't suggest that my local area is EDGE enabled

    Haven't been able to find any info on which areas are activated.
    I was on tmobile roaming when in London last month. I got 124kbps. So that is Edge right there for you. Actually I have been to London couple of times this year. This speed cant be valid on GPRS, can it be?? Now per Orange thingy, I have no idea.
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    I've just bought a Sony W810i phone which is marketed as an EDGE phone...when I get it I'll compare it to the treo 650 speed and see if there is a noticeable difference...of course if the treo is EDGE enabled as Orange seem to be claiming then there won't..
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    Cheers Alex - let us know how it goes.

    Thanks Ehsan - Seems like Orange need to catch up with TMobile else I'm off to them when my current contract expires in a month or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfatgit
    I had an email from Orange today sayng the Treo would work on their Edge network.
    Here's an update from today (18 May) from Orange UK Data CS -

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    Dear David

    Thank you for your mail

    I can confirm that unfortunately Orange does not support EDGE with the Treo 650 handset. You are able, however, to use the GPRS network with this handset. In order to be able to use EDGE with a compatible handset, you do not need to update your SIM card in any way; this will simply be enabled when you are in an area which supports the EDGE service.

    -Unquote-

    Any idea if I dump the Orange firmware will I get EDGE support from the general GSM firmware?

    Thanks, Dave Beck
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