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  1. #61  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Gearing the discussion toward the Treo is all fine and good. How does that apply to post count, what counts as a post, who has 200 or 2000 posts.
    It is a change, and people do not like change. Even more people dislike change that has no added value.
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  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardio
    Gearing the discussion toward the Treo is all fine and good. How does that apply to post count, what counts as a post, who has 200 or 2000 posts.
    It is a change, and people do not like change. Even more people dislike change that has no added value.
    Well said.

    T2 how could eliminating post count gear the talk more to treos? It hasnt in this thread has it? Quite the contrary I think.

    The only reason post count has suddenly become important in any sense of the word is because the mods or whomever have made it so by making this change. For whatever reason NRG suggested this and it happened. If no change had been suggested or made this duscussion would not be happening. As cardio said change for no benefit is unpopular. If there was some reasonable measurable benefit to this change there would be issue, but is there? I don't see it. I am not posting more in the 'counted areas'. Are the rest of the OT regulars?
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  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    If there was some reasonable measurable benefit to this change there would be issue, but is there? I don't see it. I am not posting more in the 'counted areas'. Are the rest of the OT regulars?
    Just did a quick count of my posts so far today:
    23-OT. (well, 24 now )
    13-Elsewhere.

    I post wherever something interests me. I don't care if it counts or not.
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  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Just did a quick count of my posts so far today:
    23-OT. (well, 24 now )
    13-Elsewhere.

    I post wherever something interests me. I don't care if it counts or not.
    My point exactly.Me too! So why the change. It's not like there is a post count contest or something.
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  5.    #65  
    I announced it on 9/3. Until yesterday, nobody else cared.

    I'm sorry if not getting a +1 in the Other forums ruins your plans for world domination. People still talk politics, hurricanes, and play games in OT. It's there for fun; it's not the focus of TC.
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  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Well said.

    T2 how could eliminating post count gear the talk more to treos? It hasnt in this thread has it? Quite the contrary I think.
    I think the argument works if the following holds true.

    1. People do care about post counts (even if they don't want to admit it.)
    2. If people care about post counts and suddenly certain threads don't count, then even subconciously they may begin to post elsewhere.
    3. If they care about post counts and end up posting elsewhere, then it will most likley be in more treo related threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    The only reason post count has suddenly become important in any sense of the word is because the mods or whomever have made it so by making this change.
    I don't know if I buy that...look at all the threads (and 1000's of posts) concerning Insertions post count alone. People cared about this before the rule change came down (it never really was discussed until the rule change).

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    For whatever reason NRG suggested this and it happened.
    I would have suggested it if I thought the mods would listen to me . Im still a noob.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    If no change had been suggested or made this duscussion would not be happening.
    Of course this discussion would not be happening This discussion is about the change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    As cardio said change for no benefit is unpopular. If there was some reasonable measurable benefit to this change there would be issue, but is there? I don't see it.
    Isnt there a bandwidth benefit? I mean even if it is a small incremental costs (I really don't know) doesnt it make sense if the treocentral website really is more on target concerning the treo (or other related topics...unlike word association -which is my favorite )

    I would argue that there might be less 'moderating' going on if the topic is steered more toward the treo and not on politics and such where people get personal and nasty and don't seem to communicate as well. TC really is a business, maybe some of the off topic threads were getting out of hand so they decided to take another approach to 'steer' it back onto the treo? I don't know...its just a theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I am not posting more in the 'counted areas'. Are the rest of the OT regulars?
    I think I have posted less in the OT but I think because the OT political bickering was getting so nasty and unproductive. (that and because Insertion wouldnt participate. )
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  7. #67  
    While some may disagree, people do care about post counts. There has always been and will continue to be a degree of healthy competition regarding post counts. Whether people actually value another person's post count is an entirely different matter. However the point of this decision was to encourage greater participation in the Treo related discussions which is the main purpose of this site, not to dissuade discussion in the off topic areas. The Off Topic is still there and people should obviously feel free to continue post there, but Treo related posts are simply more valued...
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  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I don't know if I buy that...look at all the threads (and 1000's of posts) concerning Insertions post count alone.
    You have no idea how much I would like that topic to just disappear. I've had PM conversations with a few people, even a Mod or two about how this has really gotten a bit bizarre and overboard.
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I think I have posted less in the OT but I think because the OT political bickering was getting so nasty and unproductive. (that and because Insertion wouldnt participate. )
    My thoughts as well which is why I don't really participate. When people are chomping at the bit five minutes after perhaps the greatest natural disaster in US history, to blame the President...I finally closed that door. Sad that people are so ruled by their politics that everything in life revolves around it.
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  9. #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    You have no idea how much I would like that topic to just disappear. I've had PM conversations with a few people, even a Mod or two about how this has really gotten a bit bizarre and overboard.
    The only thing more bizarre and overboard are ..... your avatars (btw...when are you going to come up with a new one?) You holding a flamethrower would be cool (That is one of my favorite lines "...dusting off the flame thrower." )

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    My thoughts as well which is why I don't really participate. When people are chomping at the bit five minutes after perhaps the greatest natural disaster in US history, to blame the President...I finally closed that door. Sad that people are so ruled by their politics that everything in life revolves around it.
    LOL...people shouldnt be ruled by politics or just not ruled by their own politics? I love politics.
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  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    The only thing more bizarre and overboard are ..... your avatars (btw...when are you going to come up with a new one?) You holding a flamethrower would be cool (That is one of my favorite lines "...dusting off the flame thrower." )
    I may put one together real quick, in honor of tomorrow's big announcement...
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    LOL...people shouldnt be ruled by politics or just not ruled by their own politics? I love politics.
    Their own politics. There's a certain segment in OT that seem only to believe whatever their TV and/or Radio mouthpiece says. How do you have a rational conversation with someone like that?

    Like I've said, some of the OT'ers could go on vacation and let me "fill in" for them, answer with what I think they'd say...and no one would ever know.
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  11. #71  
    Woof has been banned? Whats the deal?
  12. #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix
    Woof has been banned? Whats the deal?
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  13. #73  
    I think people deserve a right to their own opinion, but I for one do not care to think of my fellow treo central members as mindless repeaters without their own rational thought. Sure, like many of us here, I say some dumb things that I later regret, but even those whom I disagree with most of the time, like Woof, deserve the same respect as everyone else here. That is why I brought him up in my earlier post. No one deserves disrespect here, thats how I feel, mods do not deserve any more respect than newbies, high post count deserves no more respect to me than low post count. I would hate for this forum to evolve into some type of system where some people are treated as second class citizens while others are considered superior. That would be the time I would think about leaving TC.
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  14. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Just call it what it is. The "Claire Rule."

    For whatever the reason, some people seem threatened that a teenage jeep chick that doesn't work, much less own a business (if there are any more insults I left out, feel free to fill them in) has two or three times as many posts.

    Big deal. Don't be a puss, just grow up.
    It has been brought to my attention that this post was percieved as a personal attack towards Claire.
    I didnt read it that way and am not sure it you meant it that way (hopefully not).
    Claire is a full time student and I consider that a lot of work, also she is not a teenager any more (so my sources say).
    she deserves as much respect as any other user.
    Hopefully that was the point you were trying to get across, but in the process you hurt her feelings and she perceived it as a personal attack.
    Please appologize for what hopefully was just a misunderstanding.
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  15. #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    It has been brought to my attention that this post was percieved as a personal attack towards Claire.
    I didnt read it that way and am not sure it you meant it that way (hopefully not).
    Claire is a full time student and I consider that a lot of work, also she is not a teenager any more (so my sources say).
    she deserves as much respect as any other user.
    Hopefully that was the point you were trying to get across, but in the process you hurt her feelings and she perceived it as a personal attack.
    Please appologize for what hopefully was just a misunderstanding.
    It seemed clear to me (but then again, obviously it would make sense to me, since I wrote it) what my meaning was.

    Based on this thread:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=94695
    And it's sequel:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=95203

    It seems some people are annoyed that someone has a high post count:
    I think all these "games" are nothing more than a ruse to up ones post count. I feel that these so called games artifically inflate people's post counts and really have nothing to do with a Treo or even T|C. I bet if these "games" such as "One Letter", "Word Association", etc., etc. were put into a forum such as the Test forum that didn't not go towards post counts, they would not be nearly as popular. Maybe even Off Topic, one of my favorites, could be a NO post count zone? I just think that post count should really be reserved people who depense knowledge and contribute to T|C. Instead we got people in here that have post counts in the 4000-6000 from playing in these games by answering such things as; right, left, up, down, out, etc., and some of these people have been here for less than a year.
    I call it the Claire Rule, because as I said earlier, what one person here would this most target? Claire, since probably 90+% of her posts are in OT. (I was probably a target of this as well, since i've been here less than a year. But I do post a lot elsewhere, so it seems less obvious.) I mean, there aren't many people in the 4000-6000 post range.
    Let's go down the list, shall we?
    Myself. As I said, could be targeting me...
    Kurt. Doubt he was a target
    Gfunk. Even less likely.
    Chick. Could be, but since she is gone, probably not.
    Dutch. Nope, don't see it.
    That leaves...TA-DA!!!! Claire.


    My post you quoted Tool, was not an attack on her, and if she took it that way, Claire I apologize.

    I do not think of her as a "teenage jeeper", who "doesn't own a business". These are things others have said. Just because you don't agree with her, doesn't mean you need to belittle her. She should be praised for taking such an active role in current events, when there are plenty of other people her age just sitting on their arse all day drinking and playing video games, and getting their news from David Lettermans monologue.

    "Waaaaahhhhh!!!!!! She has more posts then me"
    It was those people that this was directed to:
    Big deal. Don't be a puss, just grow up.
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    thanks for that apologies.

    But once again this action wasnt taken with any particular user in mind.. so the answer to your question is none of the above..
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  18. #78  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    thanks for that apologies.

    But once again this action wasnt taken with any particular user in mind.. so the answer to your question is none of the above..
    I was only trying to make clear what my basis for that post was, since there seemed to be some confusion.

    I wasn't looking for reasons why it was taken. You explained that earlier.
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  19. #79  
    Yes, but it targets you too! In a day of 100 messages, 80% + were Off
    Topic.

    The fact that she goes to college full time (doesn't work), is young (a Junior, not a teenager), owns a 4x4, and doesn't own a business, has nothing to do with the requirements to post.

    Clairegrrl, while you may not agree with her, she is necessary, as she brings balance to what could be a one sided conversation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    It seemed clear to me (but then again, obviously it would make sense to me, since I wrote it) what my meaning was.

    Based on this thread:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=94695
    And it's sequel:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=95203

    It seems some people are annoyed that someone has a high post count:

    I call it the Claire Rule, because as I said earlier, what one person here would this most target? Claire, since probably 90+% of her posts are in OT. (I was probably a target of this as well, since i've been here less than a year. But I do post a lot elsewhere, so it seems less obvious.) I mean, there aren't many people in the 4000-6000 post range.
    Let's go down the list, shall we?
    Myself. As I said, could be targeting me...
    Kurt. Doubt he was a target
    Gfunk. Even less likely.
    Chick. Could be, but since she is gone, probably not.
    Dutch. Nope, don't see it.
    That leaves...TA-DA!!!! Claire.


    My post you quoted Tool, was not an attack on her, and if she took it that way, Claire I apologize.

    I do not think of her as a "teenage jeeper", who "doesn't own a business". These are things others have said. Just because you don't agree with her, doesn't mean you need to belittle her. She should be praised for taking such an active role in current events, when there are plenty of other people her age just sitting on their arse all day drinking and playing video games, and getting their news from David Lettermans monologue.

    "Waaaaahhhhh!!!!!! She has more posts then me"
    It was those people that this was directed to:
  20. #80  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I was only trying to make clear what my basis for that post was, since there seemed to be some confusion.

    I wasn't looking for reasons why it was taken. You explained that earlier.
    OK I was just doublechecking..
    (isnt it easy to be misunderstood with only written communication? )
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