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    You may be wondering, What is RTFM? RTFM is an acronym from some fellow TCers to show their displeasure with you for not searching, or for not Reading The F*****g Manual. Here is a list of most of the user manuals, for almost all of the Treo models. I would read your respective manual first, before you post a question to the forum. You will find most of the answers you seek within these, plus you might learn something new which might make your Treo more useful to you. Now that you know what RTFM is, enjoy and happy reading!


    Treo 700W(s)

    TFQSG for Verizon 700W:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/treo/treo700wverizon/

    TFM for Verizon 700W:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...700wvzw_ug.pdf


    Treo 650(s)

    TFM for Sprint 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...0sprint_UG.pdf

    TFM for Cingular (including AT&T) 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...ingular_UG.pdf

    TFM for Earthlink 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...rthlink_UG.pdf

    TFM for Roger's Wireless 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o650gsm_UG.pdf (english)
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...0gsm_UG_FR.pdf (french)

    TFM for Unlocked 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o650gsm_UG.pdf

    TFM for Verizon 650:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...verizon_UG.pdf


    Treo 600(s)

    TFM for BellMobility 600:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...ell_UG_ENG.pdf

    TFM for unlocked GSM 600:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o600gsm_UG.pdf

    TFM for Sprint 600:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...0sprint_UG.pdf

    TFM for Verizon 600:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...verizon_UG.pdf

    TFM for Roger's Wireless 600:
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o600gsm_UG.pdf


    Treo 300(s)

    TFM for all 300(s):
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...treo300_UG.pdf


    Treo 270(s)

    TFM for all 270(s):
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...70_gprs_UG.pdf (PC)
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...70_gprs_UG.pdf (Mac)


    Treo 180g(s)

    TFM for all 180g(s):
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...180g_PC_UG.pdf (PC)
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...80g_mac_UG.pdf (Mac)


    Treo 180(s)

    TFM for all 180(s):
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o180_PC_UG.pdf (PC)
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...180_mac_UG.pdf (Mac)


    Treo 90(s)

    TFM for 90(s):
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...eo90_PC_UG.pdf (PC)
    http://www.palm.com/us/support/handb...o90_mac_UG.pdf (Mac)
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    Very Nice! Great work!

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    Sticky!!
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    I saw alot of Newbs/nOObs around in the forum, especially in the Proof 700p thread. I thought this might help some folks, and I updated it to add the 700W.


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    You know, sometimes I just don't get it here. A lot of the threads here are not Treo related yet they garner lots and lots of posts and interest. Along comes someone who asks a question that yes, the answer may be buried in a 500+ post thread or in the manual, but they get ridiculed for not RTFM or searching. Quite frankly it is waaaaay faster to ask the question and someone who is not a hardened Treo Central user will happily point the way or answer. I agree, I have seen some really basic questions asked that shouldn't be, but so many of you have been here too long and make the experience unpleasant for them. Just my take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrundle
    You know, sometimes I just don't get it here. A lot of the threads here are not Treo related yet they garner lots and lots of posts and interest. Along comes someone who asks a question that yes, the answer may be buried in a 500+ post thread or in the manual, but they get ridiculed for not RTFM or searching. Quite frankly it is waaaaay faster to ask the question and someone who is not a hardened Treo Central user will happily point the way or answer. I agree, I have seen some really basic questions asked that shouldn't be, but so many of you have been here too long and make the experience unpleasant for them. Just my take.
    Hey, I agree, finding things can be tough here. I have made a few suggestions, such as changing the search function from 'thread' view, to 'post' view. As far as this thread is concerned, I thought this might be an answer for some folks. Plus I try to help most nOObs I run across, cause I as one too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttrundle
    You know, sometimes I just don't get it here. A lot of the threads here are not Treo related yet they garner lots and lots of posts and interest. Along comes someone who asks a question that yes, the answer may be buried in a 500+ post thread or in the manual, but they get ridiculed for not RTFM or searching. Quite frankly it is waaaaay faster to ask the question and someone who is not a hardened Treo Central user will happily point the way or answer. I agree, I have seen some really basic questions asked that shouldn't be, but so many of you have been here too long and make the experience unpleasant for them. Just my take.
    I will usually answer the question and then point to how I found it. But there's 3 or 4 questions I refuse to answer. Such as "what is best bluetooth headset ?" There's at least 10 thread titles with "best Bluetooth Headset" in it. My problem is that so many threads have been started with this title that it becomes hard for the TC regular to find the posts themselves.

    Short answers, no problem....but detailed answers requiring 15-20 detailed steps such as moving from 600 to 650, how to install TomTom or how to proceed doing a hard reset and restore is a 30-40 line post. Often when I go looking for these, there's so many threads of the same or similar titles that it gets very hard to find the exact thread you are looking for so you can do your copy / paste. If peeps searched, at least when they posted it would be in an existing thread close to subject and then the search procedure would be much easier for both the noobs and the regulars trying to help them.
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    Mods could you please move this to Treocentral.com sub forum? It is in the 650 hardware sub. Whoops
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG
    Hey, I agree, finding things can be tough here. I have made a few suggestions, such as changing the search function from 'thread' view, to 'post' view. As far as this thread is concerned, I thought this might be an answer for some folks. Plus I try to help most nOObs I run across, cause I as one too.
    Well said and thanks for not jumping down my throat You are helpful from what I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    I will usually answer the question and then point to how I found it. But there's 3 or 4 questions I refuse to answer. Such as "what is best bluetooth headset ?" There's at least 10 thread titles with "best Bluetooth Headset" in it. My problem is that so many threads have been started with this title that it becomes hard for the TC regular to find the posts themselves.

    Short answers, no problem....but detailed answers requiring 15-20 detailed steps such as moving from 600 to 650, how to install TomTom or how to proceed doing a hard reset and restore is a 30-40 line post. Often when I go looking for these, there's so many threads of the same or similar titles that it gets very hard to find the exact thread you are looking for so you can do your copy / paste. If peeps searched, at least when they posted it would be in an existing thread close to subject and then the search procedure would be much easier for both the noobs and the regulars trying to help them.

    I agree - good analogy on the Hard Reset question, so true.
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    <moved and added to sticky thread list>
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    My goal for along time.
    I had a thread entitled "if I post what's been asked before"
    Trying to draw attention to the fact of basic questions getting asked repeatedly.
    If I'm putting a gas BBQ. together,
    do I call a friend who also has a gas BBQ. or do I RTFM?
    p.s. u could have left the 'F' out.
    It sounds a little aggressive.
    Just call me Berd.
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    I think most of the TC regulars are very helpful, so long as the person looking for support has at least made an effort to find the info themselves first.

    The annoyance is when you're asked the same questions over and over again simply because someone is too lazy or inept to read the sticky that explains how to search first. People that start yet another "How do I .<insert annoying, oft asked question here>.?" thread just because they don't want to look.

    I have a low post count because I'd rather find the info that's already been provided than bug the hell out of people who are kind enough to help others when a new or unique concern does arise.

    I agree; mods, please sticky this thread
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    I always thought that RTFM was "Read The Fine Manual" - mvk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midknight
    ...I agree; mods, please sticky this thread
    Done.
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    I think some of you forget when you were new.

    I can give a perfect example. When I first started here, I too read about hard resets and wondered what they were. Even saw a few others ask and be told to search. So, search I did. Problem is, so often advice is given as "do a hard reset" or someone says "I did a hard reset" that I couldn't actually find a post that explained how to do it! Now, I am adept enough that I then went to the Palm website and searched until I found it there, but not everyone is that capable.

    Did you ever consider that perhaps the reason they asked is that they don't understand how to find information otherwise. Believe me, I teach high school. It is amazing how many kids sit down and type into google "picture of a farm road with a tractor" and are then amazed why it doesn't just pop up. Some people are really good at finding information, some can't if it is right in front of them. I mean, if some has to ask what you guys consider a dumb question, do you really think they know where in the manual to find it?

    I guess my point is, not all of you were born with a Treo in your hand. Have some tact. If you don't want to answer, how about just ignore it and move on? Maybe GOYFHH. (Get off your __________ high horse.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by emunch
    I think some of you forget when you were new.

    I can give a perfect example. When I first started here, I too read about hard resets and wondered what they were. Even saw a few others ask and be told to search. So, search I did. Problem is, so often advice is given as "do a hard reset" or someone says "I did a hard reset" that I couldn't actually find a post that explained how to do it! Now, I am adept enough that I then went to the Palm website and searched until I found it there, but not everyone is that capable.

    Did you ever consider that perhaps the reason they asked is that they don't understand how to find information otherwise. Believe me, I teach high school. It is amazing how many kids sit down and type into google "picture of a farm road with a tractor" and are then amazed why it doesn't just pop up. Some people are really good at finding information, some can't if it is right in front of them. I mean, if some has to ask what you guys consider a dumb question, do you really think they know where in the manual to find it?

    I guess my point is, not all of you were born with a Treo in your hand. Have some tact. If you don't want to answer, how about just ignore it and move on? Maybe GOYFHH. (Get off your __________ high horse.)
    Basic things such as resets are covered in the manual, (hence the term, RTFM!) How hard is it to go to the index, and look that up? I'm more amazed that people have this 200+ page book included with their Treo, and they're too dumbfounded to pick it up. I can understand if perhaps you're at work, and don't have the manual handy, but it seems pure laziness in most cases...
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    This board I would say generally has 2 types of people. The very intelligent who got a Treo because they see the value in it as a tool, and the moderately normal who got one because it was cool. Those who got it for the cool factor are not the kind of people who know to look in the index, or what key words to look for. I am telling you, some of them probably did pick it up and look for "how to do a hard reset". I don't have a manual in front of me, but I would wager it is probably more likely under "resets-hard" or something like that.

    It isn't laziness, it is fear and confusion. Fear of searching and not being able to find what they want. Confusion at searching for "hard reset", finding the latest custom rom thread, not understanding anything the first three posts say, and giving up.

    Like I said, just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it does to everyone. I can guaranty there is something you will search for information on someday, some forum you will end up on, and you will be the dumb one.

    I am not saying searching isn't a great tool that should be used, I am just saying either have a little tact in how you approach the matter or just ignore it altogether. You don't have to answer every post. If you are so self righteous that it actually bothers you when someone asks what you consider a dumb question, maybe a little introspection is in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emunch
    This board I would say generally has 2 types of people. The very intelligent who got a Treo because they see the value in it as a tool, and the moderately normal who got one because it was cool. Those who got it for the cool factor are not the kind of people who know to look in the index, or what key words to look for. I am telling you, some of them probably did pick it up and look for "how to do a hard reset". I don't have a manual in front of me, but I would wager it is probably more likely under "resets-hard" or something like that.

    It isn't laziness, it is fear and confusion. Fear of searching and not being able to find what they want. Confusion at searching for "hard reset", finding the latest custom rom thread, not understanding anything the first three posts say, and giving up.

    Like I said, just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it does to everyone. I can guaranty there is something you will search for information on someday, some forum you will end up on, and you will be the dumb one.

    I am not saying searching isn't a great tool that should be used, I am just saying either have a little tact in how you approach the matter or just ignore it altogether. You don't have to answer every post. If you are so self righteous that it actually bothers you when someone asks what you consider a dumb question, maybe a little introspection is in order.
    It is listed under BOTH "Hard Reset" and "Resetting Device" in my manual. Again, why is something so easily found this difficult? You say you're a teacher. I guess you would prefer to just tell your students the answers, instead of them actually, heaven forbid, figure something out. No wonder we're putting out so many dropouts and illiterate people...
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    I teach high school. No, they don't know how to find information when they get here. They should, but they don't. Yes, it is one of the things I focus on, often more than my actual subject area. We have a whole lesson on how to use a foreign language dictionary. It is amazing how inept they are. Thus, it is no suprise to me when someone asks a question that has been asked 100 times before here.

    I can't just tell me students "read the f-ing textbook." I have to show them how to use the textbook, when to use the textbook, when to ask me, and when to use outside resources. You have to approach this the same way. The Treo doesn't come with a list of what to ask, what to look for, what to just figure out on your own, etc. A newbie doesn't know how many times the best bluetooth headset has been asked. How would they? If they ask again and you don't to answer, well then don't How hard is that. Either that or make it a private board and only let your friends in. You can all sit around and circle jerk to your custom Roms and never be bothered to ask a dumb question again.

    Public boards mean the public asks questions. No one forces you to be here, do they? I see this sort of stuff on all the boards I visit. These type of threads, sticky or not, never change anything.

    But, obviously, you don't get it. So, have a nice day. If you don't understand what I am saying, and you obviously don't by your rediculously off response, search around. I am sure you will find the answer.
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