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  1. #101  
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagle
    Obviously, there can be no complete litmus test... it's a grey area for sure.

    However, would you use this kind of language talking to your kids, parents, grandparents, and would you want your kids using it when they talk to you or their grandparents?

    Would you use it in a job interview? At a dinner party?
    I have used the word crap in every one of these examples. No one has ever freaked out. It is a completely acceptable word for common conversation.

    Whether or not a word is an obscenity is secondary to whether the word is acceptable for use in ALL circumstances. A word like "crap" has multiple meanings... you might interpret it differently from me or vice versa. If one user objects to an inference, then I'd say it's wrong (at least most of the time).
    Many many words in the english language have multiple meanings. Are they all now unacceptable? Case in point. Raghead. We all know it is a less than flattering term for some middle eastern folks. But if I were talking flys, like in fly fishing it would be acceptable. A raghead is a type of fly. Now the sentence " I tied on a nice little tan raghead and cast him into the river" could offend someone. Am I now not allowed to use that term? I think we're forgetting about one thing. Context.

    If one user objects to an inference You're kidding right? One user? One user does not a community make. So if somebody complains about my avatar because they were once attacked by a big black dog are you gonna kill my avatar? Same thing isn't it?

    For the most part, we're supposed to be bleeding-edge tech-savvy users, not a bunch a script-kiddies talking (or better yet, messaging) on our cell phones. And certainly, TreoCentral is not a locker room.
    Very few people here talk like this is a locker room. Crap is hardly a locker room term.

    I just don't see why we can't act like adults and conduct ourselves appropriately.
    Most of us do. Rarely does it get to the point were our TC parents need to step in, but step in they do. I can guess it is to protect the delicate feelings of that one person.

    Maybe this place should go by PC instead of TC.
  2. #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagle
    Well, that's the problem. We have an international audience and users from many different cultures. That's why there can't be any hard and fast rules. We almost need to evaluate every situation uniquely. It's a very difficult part of the job. But on the other hand, we can't have a free-for-all either.

    I'd really like to believe that most everyone here is intelligent enough to know where the lines are and not to cross them. It would make it so much easier for all...
    WHat are the first words most people learn in a foreign language. The curses. I bet most folks know the english ones regardless of where they are from.

    Cant be any hard and fast rules. Why cant you just use the filter for words you dont like? Because it's more fun to jump people for normal nonoffensive (at least in most circles) conversation.

    I'd really be curious just how many complaints there have been. Very few would be my guess. But then that is do to the proactive nature of the mods right.

    We need a new treo already. This other (fill in your own nonoffensive noun) is getting really old.
  3.    #103  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Cant be any hard and fast rules. Why cant you just use the filter for words you dont like? Because it's more fun to jump people for normal nonoffensive (at least in most circles) conversation.
    You couldnt be further from the truth, I can't think of any of the mods who enjoys 'jumping people' it is a job we were asked to do and a lot of times we wonder why we bother at all.
    It is a thankless job like the garbagecollector. You only hear it when it doesnt work.
    I'm not asking for pity, we accepted the job and can quit any time we want, but I will not stand for being labbeled as power hungry control freaks.
    If we were we'd lock a lot more threads and ban a lot more people.

    All we want is this place to be a nice place for everybody.
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  4. #104  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Because it's more fun to jump people for normal nonoffensive (at least in most circles) conversation.
    Yeah, that's what we do...
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  5. #105  
    LOL, of all the stuff I said the only thing the mods respond to is the "jump people for fun" comment. I knew thats what would get your attention.

    It is a thankless job like the garbagecollector. You only hear it when it doesnt work.
    I'm not asking for pity, we accepted the job and can quit any time we want, but I will not stand for being labbeled as power hungry control freaks.
    If we were we'd lock a lot more threads and ban a lot more people.

    All we want is this place to be a nice place for everybody.
    I have seen many cases where the mods were thanked for their hard work. Hell I have even said that myself and I have been on the oppostion many times. Don't say it's thankless. It's not. Unpaid maybe, waste of time maybe, but not thankless. (If there is another meaning to thankless that I am unware of please tell me, but I think it means no one ever thanks you). So spare us the boo hoo feel sorry for the mods bit. If you hate it that bad, quit.

    I looked through my posts in this thread and dont see where I said "power hungry control freaks".

    There is no such place that is "nice for everybody". It's not possible. Heaven maybe, but not here on earth. And of course it depends on your definition of nice. Oh crap, I forgot that this is your forum (for all intents and purposes anyway) and if we dont like it we can leave. ok.
  6. #106  
    I think Mark is a fair moderator and I have thanked him and other mods several times. This whole thing has blown up out of proportion. Mark was out of line when he jumped someone for saying "crap". It's his call but it's obvious when you do a search for "crap" you'll see how his comments came out of nowhere. I was disappointed that he didn't just apologize and end it there. Crap is a well established part of the regular vocabulary here at TC. Search and you'll see . As always...thanks mods for the great forum.
  7. #107  
    Itís funny how everyone is trying to say "crap" is his or her replies. LOL

    Thank you Mods for the hard work you have been putting into this Forum.

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  8. #108  
    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Itís funny how everyone is trying to say "crap" is his or her replies. LOL
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  9. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by dutchtrumpet
    Welcome to the club
    Yeah, what kinda crap is that?
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  10. #110  
    I've always wanted to learn to play Craps. It looks complicated.
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  11. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by heberman
    I've always wanted to learn to play Craps. It looks complicated.
    Craps!! My favorite!! Actually once you know what you're doing it's pretty easy. Tip the crew, and they'll take care of you.
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  12. #112  
    I agree the crap thing was a little crazy, but it wasn't like anyone got banned for it. Overall, the mods do a good job.. They're a bunch of **** ****s.


    hmm why did vbulletin edit "cool peeps"?


  13. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Craps!! My favorite!! Actually once you know what you're doing it's pretty easy. Tip the crew, and they'll take care of you.
    And......you can yell and scream and people don't look at you funny
  14. #114  
    If I may be allowed to be Moderator-by-proxy,

    Enough of this crap, and let's stick to the topic. Banned Users!
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  15. #115  
    Insertion, excessive taunting by using that word is gonna get your *** banned.. That'd be pretty funny if you got banned for a post in the "banned users" thread.


  16. #116  
    OMG, they killed Kenny !
  17. #117  
    Quote Originally Posted by Joebar
    Insertion, excessive taunting by using that word is gonna get your *** banned.. That'd be pretty funny if you got banned for a post in the "banned users" thread.
    Well, at least it would be on topic.
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  18. #118  
    I have no issue with trying to keep the language reasonable, but most Disney movies, much less afternoon TV shows, don't meet the standards the mods appear to have set for us. This isn't a kid's forum, it's populated by adults (or at least those of adult age) for the most part, and I think we're all heard, and used, the 4 letter word referred to in so many of these posts on many occasions.

    A little balance, and a little tolerance (by both the moderators and users) would go a long way.
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  19. #119  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    the 4 letter word
    It's not about the 4-letter word that everyone here seems so fixated with. It's about language, context, and attitude in general.


    A little balance, and a little tolerance (by both the moderators and users) would go a long way.
    Agreed. If users didn't use that type of language in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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  20. #120  
    you completely missed my point. I specifically included tolerance BY the moderators. insisting that we turn this place into the brady bunch is NOT showing tolerance.

    Personal attacks, racism, abusive behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. banning or threatening people for occasional use of words that are used daily in the workplace (including offices), schools, on TV and in PG rated movies, and even churches is just silly. We're not living in Leave It To Beaver land, and you're not Mrs. Cleaver.
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