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    Just a little warning for the moderators...

    I, like hundreds of others, come to the Treocentral BBS to read about and discuss TREOS, not to listen to the same bulls**t kneejerk political opinions I can't seem to get away from in this country right now no matter where I turn.

    You have every right, of course, to let political extremists take over this discussion board, if that's what you really want. You should realize, though, that every morning I have to wade through more of these posts, the more I'm considering just saying 'f**k you' to Treocentral and simply never coming back. It's your choice, of course, but there's a very real danger that sometime soon the only regulars you're going to have left are political extremists, as us Treo owners simply go to other websites to discuss the Treo issues that we were originally coming here to do. I don't think you want this, which is why I and many others urge you to get rid of the 'off-topic' category. Food for thought.
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    you use this word at least once in your post - Choice.

    Choose not to read the off topic stuff. There is no requirement to read any post. I am curious, do you read the treo 90- or 180 or 270 or 300 forums? Should those be deleted too because you dont like them?

    What other topics would you restrict us to?

    TC is a great place for all treo users interested in various things. When you can run your own forum, you can have it your way.
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    and you posted in the off topic section. LOL This should be in treocentral.com.
    “There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    When you can run your own forum, you can have it your way.
    Or, you can go to Burger King
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    Don't shut down off-topic!
    I enjoy republican-baiting way too much!
    Animo et Fide
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    And a preemptive response as well, just because I know it's the first thing the political extremists are going to accuse me of...

    I'm not against the freedom of speech guaranteed by our Constitution. There are literally TENS of THOUSANDS of other websites devoted exclusively to letting whackjobs endlessly argue about the two morons currently running for President. No one's stopping you from going to any of these other sites, or from starting your own political blog, or from standing outside a McDonald's with a handful of badly-xeroxed Larouche flyers, for that matter. 'Freedom of speech' does not automatically equal 'freedom to say any idiotic thing that pops in your head, in any venue, in any context, at any time.' Owners of private companies have every right to dictate exactly what gets discussed within the confines of their company - whether that's a physical office or a virtual discussion board. That's not considered a restriction of one's freedom of speech, as long as there's plenty of other forums already out there to discuss such things.

    I think everyone has a right to have their opinion known. But I come here to discuss Treos, not to debate a political race that's not worth debating in the first place. If I can't do that without a minimum of fuss, I'll simply go to another website where I can. The moderators should realize that all your other regulars will as well, if you don't do something about this, and that other tech-oriented BBSs bigger than theirs have been ruined in the past by precisely this same issue. It's up to you whether you're going to let political extremists hijack your discussion board and eventually run it into the ground or not. I happen to like coming here, which is why I think it'd be such a shame to see something like that happen yet again.
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    I don't mind off topic that much, I even "play" in those threads sometimes. I do however,DO NOTlike the political posts, for some reason I feel that they reflect TC, I guess because they are allowd to stay up? I know this is not a correct assessment, but I still get that feeling from any Message Board I go to that has a lot of political stuff (Read Mud slinging) and it's left up.

    Even though off topic is ok IMHO, and we do have freedom of speech and this is America and so on, there is a time and place for everything and I don't think political posts belong on TreoCentral, MyTreo.Net, PWCtoday, HomeDepot or any other messageboard, other then a political one or an Alex Jones/Rush Limbaugh type setting/board.

    Just voicing my opinion...

    BTW Jason, you dated your self pretty well with the "BBS" instead of Message Board..LOL
    You still have your Apple IIe or Comadore64?

    In closing, I guess the reason I don't like political posts in the offtopic area or on TC or any message boards is that they have an agenda.

    What is that old saying, the fastest way to ruin a friendship is discuss Politics, Religion or go into business together......

    Just my 2-cents worth...

    Like Woof said, you can choose to ignor the off topic posts.
    I do ignor the plolictcal ones, I just dislike seeing the titles..LOL
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    As much as I try to ignore the political off-topic posts I find myself drawn into them. I'm trying to not even read them because they are distracting and in the end they are fruitless.

    I don't like the idea of adding individual posters to my ignore list because they may post something useful in another forum and then I'd miss it. What we need is the ability to ignore a forum.
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    Jason, try not to get too worked up over political threads. Just do like the rest of us and ignore threads which do not interest you. Life's too short to worry about which "off-topic" posts are too "off-topic" for you.
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    I do kind of agree, even though I have posted a fair bit on political threads I don't think I've ever started one. I've also tried starting up a few non-political threads, but the simple truth is they don't generate as much discussion.
    Animo et Fide
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    Woof: Good question. The answer is that I read them all lumped together under 'new posts,' because I only get to visit once every 24 hours. I'm actually visiting through Blazer on my Treo, so it'd be too much of a pain in the a** on Blazer to go into every folder one at a time and check out what new posts are there. That's why I like Treocentral so much - it's much more convenient than the other Treo discussion boards out there, much more wireless-friendly, and full of intelligent, passionate Treo owners (including, it seems, many actual software developers), spreading legitimately cool information about this device I love so much.

    I'm not a fascist - I'm not saying to pass a law banning people from discussing politics - and I resent you making the implication. I'm a red-blooded American capitalist, and I'm simply pointing out the free-market, freedom-of-choice repercussions of letting political extremists hijack their system. If I can't use the 'new posts' feature without it being a pain-in-the-a** exercise in scrolling through endless political posts, I'll simply stop coming. So will all the other passionate Treoheads, who simply want to discuss Treos, including the software developers and all the other informed insiders that make this site such a delight to visit in the first place. And soon this discussion board will just be a ghostly shell of what it once was, only populated by a few dozen nutjobs endlessly discussing politics. We've all seen it happen at other cool discussion boards in the past; we all know the danger is very real.

    I'm ALL about freedom of choice - which, believe it or not, includes my freedom to simply take my business elsewhere if I can get a better experience there. I don't appreciate being accused otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    and you posted in the off topic section. LOL This should be in treocentral.com.
    Correct, so I moved it there.

    As for deleting off topic, the final call is Marcus' since he owns the site.
    But IMHO off topic serves a purpose and should hence stay.
    Sure there is a lot of hotheaded political activity recently, but I'm sure that after the elections that will fade out..
    Off topic is a good place to discuss non-treo releted topics you want to share with your TC peers. It is also a great tool to build a sense of community.
    While we dont always agree (understatement of the month ) I get the feeling that in general there is a feeling of mutual respect (the few exeptions, are just that, exeptions).

    As a workaround for your problem, try using the advanced search feature and select all fora exept off topic and use search string th* or tr* (not fool proof, but most posts with have either of those) and select all posts 'from your last visit' and 'and newer'

    Did this for me:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/se...earchid=476006
    Let me know if you can use that search...
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    Is it possible for the forum s/w to be set to not have OT posts show up in "new posts" or "todays posts". Recently the OT posts seems to have outnumbered Treo related posts. If that continues, this forum will wither away in due time. I've seen it happen to other forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    ...snip...
    As a workaround for your problem, try using the advanced search feature and select all fora exept off topic and use search string th* or tr* (not fool proof, but most posts with have either of those) and select all posts 'from your last visit' and 'and newer'

    Did this for me:
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/se...earchid=476006
    Let me know if you can use that search...
    None of that works on the mobile version of the site. If you're like me, I often visit TreoCentral FROM my Treo. It would be nice to be able to do that kind of filtering with the mobile version of the site....but as it stands now, that's not possible.

    Given that some users have to pay for the extra data bandwidth that's wasted with Off-topic posts, I can see why some people don't want them showing up when they ask for New Posts...especially if they come to TreoCentral to read about the Treo. (What a concept! )
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    I'd like to remind you, jasonpettus, that the off-topic section is not just about politcal posts. You may feel like it is swamped with those types of posts right now and that may apear so. However, it is not a constant. The ideas and views spewing out of the off-topic area just reflects the times. I do not feel this warrants removal of one of the most abstract and fluid areas of the site.

    I'd also like to remind you that we came here for the exact same reason and we are an actual community. And although we all share that same something in common, we still all have other interests and different views we like to express to each other. It's no different than having a debate with a family member over something unrelated to family. Or even better, sharing a good joke with a co-worker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by newtreouser
    Is it possible for the forum s/w to be set to not have OT posts show up in "new posts" or "todays posts". Recently the OT posts seems to have outnumbered Treo related posts. If that continues, this forum will wither away in due time. I've seen it happen to other forums.

    Yes thats definitely a good idea What about all the people who want to see the OT post in new posts? Maybe an option per user but hardly site wide. How is that fair? Thats like blocking some tv channels in a geographical area because a couple users dont like having to surf past them while looking for a show to watch.

    It's funny how most of the OT opponents seem to think that the demise of TC is emminent because of the OT section. Everyone in the OT also posts in other treo specific threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skillllllz
    I'd like to remind you, jasonpettus, that the off-topic section is not just about politcal posts. You may feel like it is swamped with those types of posts right now and that may apear so. However, it is not a constant. The ideas and views spewing out of the off-topic area just reflects the times. I do not feel this warrants removal of one of the most abstract and fluid areas of the site.

    I'd also like to remind you that we came here for the exact same reason and we are an actual community. And although we all share that same something in common, we still all have other interests and different views we like to express to each other. It's no different than having a debate with a family member over something unrelated to family. Or even better, sharing a good joke with a co-worker!
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    Woof, the people who are involved in the OT posts knows where to go to continue their OT didcussions. being OT should have a lower priority than treo specif posts, don't you ag¬
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    Blazer screwed up my last post. Hope this one make it through.

    Woof, the people who are involved in the OT posts knows where to go to continue their OT didcussions. being OT should have a lower priority than treo specif posts, don't you agree?

    What do you think newcomers to TC will do if they see that the most popular topics are about a duck, religion and politics? Would they stay or leave? How does a site wither away? No new blood, existing ones leave (most of them quietly), some who's been here a while gets too comfy........
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    I, for one, like the way it is now. Sometimes I post a lot in the off-topic section. Sometimes I go a long time without going there.

    I think the off-topic section is more busy now because there is not much new going on with the Treo, and many of us are waiting for something new to shake things up.

    The format of Treocentral (and Visorcentral) has worked great for years, with thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of posts. Don't mess up a good thing because a very small minority wants something different.
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