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  1. #21  
    Many issues are contributing to the problems we have here:

    1. The Treo 600 is by far the hottest device on these boards, with far more users and volume of posts than the other models combined.

    2. With the fast pace Treo 600 information is coming, people want easy ways to access the information, FAST. Many uers want to visit the forums several times a day, and many are not going to scroll past the first pageful of options.

    3. With the constant inflow of new users, you will continue to have people not follow the guidelines and post in the "wrong" forums, which results in missed information.

    4. When users see posts being made in the wrong forum, which is inevitable given the points above, it detracts tremendously from the value of the rules because readers will know that they HAVE to look all over for the information they want

    I think a very good organization of the forums given the current cirumstances would be to to include multiple Treo 600-specific forums and to have them all be at the top of the forums list, like this:

    TREO 600 DEVICE QUESTIONS/ISSUES/PROBLEMS
    TREO 600 COMMUNICATION
    TREO 600 SOFTWARE
    TREO 600 AVAILABILITY AND ORDERS
    Etc.

    That way, people will HAVE to choose between one of the Treo 600 forums and it would be so easy to do.

    Links like TREO 600 COMMUNICATIONS, etc., can be links to the same general communications, etc., forums, thus achieving the goal of keeping related, cross-device discussions together but at the same time capturing the misguided use of users who don't know or don't care about the rules.

    Other Treo model forums could follow below. People will look for them when they need them.

    The current board organization may be logically sound, but one can't fight the masses if they aren't listening and it is better to adapt to what they are doing rather than try to change the behavior an ever-growing population.

    Please comment...

    Just my $0.02.
  2. #22  
    the problem with having "treo 600 this" and "treo 600 that" forums, to my mind, is that there are plenty of topics that aren't just about the Treo 600 that would get relegated there.

    Hells bells, I don't know what to do anymore. I just Mod here.

    Anyway, in the meantime I'm going to keep moving stuff until we decide otherwise. Apparently the current forum setup isn't quite there yet.
  3. #23  
    Originally posted by JimOhio
    I check this forum out several times a day. It is much easier for me to just have this page bookmarked and flip down through the latest 50 posts or how many ever are on the first page. I like the fact that many topics are discussed here. I like to read and post the latest about the Treo 600.... all topics. By checking in several times a day (both on the PC and 600), I don't want to have to go into several different forums each time. Long Live Macfan!!
    If you want to see what has happened since your last login, when you get to the site, just click on New Posts and all the new posts since your last login will be displayed.

    I can't tell you how many times I did this and "Duh ... there's the answer!" This way you will read just the new ones and see which interest you the most. Hope this helps.
    << My command as we escape Palm HQ with a new Pre 3>>.

    Treo 300 >> Treo 600 >> Treo 650 >> Treo 755 >> Instinct >> Pre- >> TouchPad
  4. #24  
    I have copied it here for your review:

    My doubts about this working really concerns the issue of content and the number of new users that come here to visit ... perhaps, instead of letting people post new threads, they should have the opportunity to ask a question, first. For example, if you were to come to the site and instead of picking a forum, the first field could be something like this ...

    "Choose your hardware -- (Drop down box with choices)"

    "Who is your service provider -- (Drop down box with choices)"

    "What can we help you find -- (An Ask Jeeves type of box)"

    Then a choice for Treo General Chat ... but only if the "Search" above can't be found.

    IMHO, this might help everyone here ... mods, vet psoters, new users, the whole lot of us.

    BTW ... Seldom ... earlier message said you weren't going to post again ... I, for one, am glad to see you back. Every now and again we need that divergent opinion. But help me out, no more "Ewwww"'s please. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me right about now!
    << My command as we escape Palm HQ with a new Pre 3>>.

    Treo 300 >> Treo 600 >> Treo 650 >> Treo 755 >> Instinct >> Pre- >> TouchPad
  5. #25  
    Well - I wasn't going to post again because of the...forum split!

    -- http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...threadid=40412

    But, since the forum split hasn't REALLY happened TreoCentral continues to be a useful easy-to-navigate set of message boards!

    Though I expect an Aussie moderator to give me the ax when he wakes up, I'll post if I've got anything I think is interesting to post (or not!) til TreoCentral makes the forum split mandatory.
  6. #26  
    Personally, I'm in favor of just having one gigantic category simply called:

    'Stuff'

    In fact, what the heck, it would be even better to have only one thread, that way we wouldn't miss ANYTHING. Huh? How's that?

    Sigh...pardon my idiocy, I'm still depressed over the GSM not shipping today.

    /crawls into a corner and sulks.

    Cheers.
  7. #27  
    Originally posted by LORDOFTHETREOS
    Personally, I'm in favor of just having one gigantic category simply called:

    'Stuff'
    LOL! Well, it would make my job easier!
  8.    #28  
    Originally posted by LORDOFTHETREOS
    Personally, I'm in favor of just having one gigantic category simply called:

    'Stuff'

    In fact, what the heck, it would be even better to have only one thread, that way we wouldn't miss ANYTHING. Huh? How's that?

    Sigh...pardon my idiocy, I'm still depressed over the GSM not shipping today.

    /crawls into a corner and sulks.

    Cheers.
    You hit the nail on the head... if we would have all in 1 forum it would be a nightmare to read..
    Same if there would be too many forums.

    Personally I feel like the current settup has got the right balance between the 2...

    By spreading posts over different sub-fora it is easer to see the recent posts, people can find things easier, it saves data cost if you are looking for a certain thing, allows both treo600 and non-treo600 users to share information better on common area's.
    Besides that you can still see all the new post with the 'new posts' button and/or use of the search engine...

    All in all it is a win-win situation... all it takes is a teeny weeny bit of effort...
    Please act is a social way and think of your fellow readers before you post...
    <IMG WIDTH="200" HEIGHT="50" SRC=http://www.visorcentral.com/images/visorcentral.gif> (ex)VisorCentral Discussion Moderator
    Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?
  9.    #29  
    Originally posted by rastoma

    If it was mine I would setup a poll and see what the people that keep these website online prefers.
    Please keep in mind this is not a democracy...Marcus is the owner of this website and if he feels this is the way to go, we have to respect that...

    Having said that he and we do value your opinion and it will be taken in consideration. But technical constraints may not allow us to implement everything we would like..
    <IMG WIDTH="200" HEIGHT="50" SRC=http://www.visorcentral.com/images/visorcentral.gif> (ex)VisorCentral Discussion Moderator
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  10. #30  
    Originally posted by septimus

    LOL! Well, it would make my job easier!
    Originally posted by ToolkiT

    You hit the nail on the head... if we would have all in 1 forum it would be a nightmare to read..
    Same if there would be too many forums.
    Well, I'm glad I could be of some use.

    /still sulking over GSM though.

    Cheers.
  11. #31  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT


    Besides that you can still see all the new post with the 'new posts' button and/or use of the search engine...
    IMHO it would help to improve 2 things:

    * "reset" the last visit that is used for New Posts. It happens quite often to me that I click New Posts, read a few threads, and then come back later to read the rest. I guess an easy fix would be to have a New Posts Last 24 Hours option.

    * Add some guidelines to how to best use the Search. I've used it quite a bit but I still don't trust its results. Also, especially for longer threads, it's a PITA to have to go through the entire thread to find the post(s) with your search keywords.

    My 2 cts.
  12.    #32  
    Originally posted by Mol


    * Add some guidelines to how to best use the Search. I've used it quite a bit but I still don't trust its results. Also, especially for longer threads, it's a PITA to have to go through the entire thread to find the post(s) with your search keywords.
    There is a way around that:

    Go to your user setting (http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...on=editoptions)

    change 'Default Posts per Thread:
    Number of posts that are shown on one page of a thread.' to the max 40 per page.

    When you do the search you open the thread and use <ctrl>f to find the keyword on the page...

    Not the most elegant sollution I agree, but it does work..
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  13. #33  
    Originally posted by Mol
    * Add some guidelines to how to best use the Search. I've used it quite a bit but I still don't trust its results. Also, especially for longer threads, it's a PITA to have to go through the entire thread to find the post(s) with your search keywords.
    If you use Google toolbar, it can highlight the words and clicking on them in the toolbar will find the next instance.

    http://toolbar.google.com/
  14. #34  
    When I started reading this board in October, I learned some apparently bad habits from other people's usage. I thought all the "new" posts went into the TREO 600 HARDWARE forum. I was investigating whether I should buy or not. This was the only one that says TREO 600. As I read, it was obvious that this was where all the action was.

    Then I started contributing at the first of this month, my New Threads got moved. OK, I was new to this board and had to learn the rules. No biggy, my next few new threads were in the proper forum. Now, they weren't particularly exciting threads, but it was obvious that the "action/responses" were way different (less - read, as well as response) in the proper forum as compared to the TREO 600 HARDWARE forum.

    So, now I'm looking under category specific forums for what's on my mind AND checking the TREO 600 HARDWARE forum to make sure I don't miss any of "today's" (or the last few day's) news. All after running a new posts search first.

    Man! That's a lot of work ... but I'm already hooked. Will it wear off? Or, is it already too late for me? ... TreoCentral Junky.

    What about a compromise? Don't move Threads for "x' number of days. 3 days? 7?

    I'm certainly willing to follow the rules, but if I've got an issue that needs some fast responses (that can't wait a few days for people to getting around to checking the proper forum) I feel I probably won't have a choice, but to post in the TREO 600 HARDWARE forum. Hopefully you won't be TOO fast on the button and cut me off from the fast reponse I need.

    Sorry, caught in the middle. I don't see any other way.

    How bought a "Dumb Newbie" category to clear out all the junk repeat questions, due to all the new T600 users?
  15. #35  
    Originally posted by Mol



    * Add some guidelines to how to best use the Search. I've used it quite a bit but I still don't trust its results. Also, especially for longer threads, it's a PITA to have to go through the entire thread to find the post(s) with your search keywords.
    Actually, there's a setting on the Search page that helps a lot: instead of the default "Show results as threads" you set "Show results as posts" et voila (not viola! )

    Pretty funny that two moderators didn't seem to know this either.
  16. #36  
    Is TC no longer monitoring and moving threads to the appropriate section? I for one appreciate the idea of being able to quickly scan relevant issues in their appropriate forum, but this is not the case lately. Take a look at the T600 hardware section for example. The vast majority of posts are software related, and it makes searching info at a glance difficult. Yes, I appreciate there is a search function, but I want to scan relevant posts generally, and don't necessarily have a specific topic at hand. When people just post anywhere, it negates the useful nature of having specific forums setup in the first place.

    Are there not enough mods to move posts, or is this just not being done anymore? When they are moved on a regular basis, people get the hint and start posting appropriately.

    I respect the structure in place, but if it's not being enforced, it seems kind of silly to have.

    I wonder how many users here have even read this post?
  17. #37  
    I've got a point to make, and dammyt, I'm going to make it.....always wanted to say that.

    Anyway, not just TreoCentral, but EVERY board I visit has a set of rules and standards that WILL be adhered too. Doesnt matter whether you like it or not, thats just the way it is.

    Just like TC, these same boards offer valuable insight and the setup is NOT that much different.

    Everything has it place and for us "old foegies" we KNOW how to look for "new post." We are also KNOW that if the issue is software related, thats the category we choose to look, same thing for hardware, SD cards and so on.

    I am almost shocked at the number of people that have said they are not going to do it the way they are being asked to. For those that threatened to not post or take their valuable information elsewhere, guess what, that is your choice. No one is making you stay. And you can best believe that there are SO MANY of us that follow the rules that your absence wont be missed. Some of you flatter yourselves. Your presence on this forum (lurkers) means nothing; it is ones contribution that matters.

    Sitting here acting like some selfish crybabies is not the answer either. What is so difficult about following rules. Better yet, has anyone ever told you that instead of being part of the problem, become part of the solution. Do you really believe "I'm not going to do it" solved anything? Guess again.

    And lets address the issues of unlimited internet. Just because you have unlimited, it is one hell of an assumption to think everyone else does too. Many people who visit these forums do NOT have unlimited data plans. Not everyone can check TC several times a day w/o incurring a ridiculous cost. Again, the selfish mentality kicks in. This forum WAS supposed to be here for all of us, not just the people who think about themselves.

    With the attitude that some of you have, I bet you didnt play nice as children either.
    ~ ScandaLous ~
  18. #38  
    Yes, but if the rules aren't being enforced, can you really blame them? If parents don't discipline (watch and correct) their children, can you blame the kids for running around in the streets?

    With that said, Scandalex, I must say I agree with you wholeheartedly. I was shocked by the attitude displayed as well. Nice post.
  19. #39  
    We try as hard as we can. With the incredible growth in Treo interest and this board, it's almost impossible to keep up. Contrary to what I thought a while ago, I figured that if we were strict for a while, it would form a self-reinforcing circle of intelligent posting. No such luck.

    I assure you are trying. THanks.
  20. #40  
    I remember when you were moving posts around, and the accompanying moans and groans, but it did help for awhile. I simply haven't seen many posts moved lately, and so old habits without reinforcement have come back.

    Hey, don't get me wrong, you don't (that means everyone involved) have an easy job, and it seems someone is always going to be upset by whatever action or inaction is taken. I've been frustrated lately as I personally like the organizational structure established by TC, and would like to see it adhered to. Almost 1/4 as many people have read the "read before posting faq" as have the current callfilter thread. That's got to be frustrating for you folks.

    I'm frustrated, so what? It ain't my board, but you have graciously provided a forum for me to voice my opinion, and for that I thank you. I appreciate the enormity of tasks you all have undertaken, and understand that you do it as a labor of love.

    More Mods may help ease the load, but that may not be what you're looking for. At the end of the day I still come here, enjoy this board free of charge, and appreciate all that you do. I just wish the organizational structure could be enforced more, that's all.
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