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  1. #41  
    Sorry but I used the following procedure:

    How to SSH into Your Palm Pre! | Palm Pre Hacks Blog!

    This allows me to use Winscp, to get a window in which I can see all of the directories on WebOS and copy, delete, move etc files from my PC to my Pre.

    I'm not sure if what you are doing is simpler or better. I find what I am using just to easy. I followed the instructions to the letter and it worked. I did not however setup my Pre to be access from the Internet, just from my own wireless network in my house.

    Check it out!

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    #42  
    The Bookmark feature found in Filezilla is so cool.
    making a Bookmarks let you jumb to a specific locations on Pre and PC at the same time.
    you can make many bookmarks and switch between them with single click.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by just_jo View Post
    btw anybody noticed, there's no underscore on a german pre plus? funny to type that link in terminal with no underscore used webOSQI after all.
    Whats wrong with the key next to enter?
  4.    #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by KallistiMan View Post
    Whats wrong with the key next to enter?
    Apparently that's the ampersand (&) on the German Plus model. Might be a good place to try the virtual keyboard.
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by zParticle View Post
    transfer FileZilla to another machine

    Find where FileZilla is installed on your computer (mine's in C:\Program Files\FileZilla) and copy that folder and your private key file (.PPK) to your USB drive (or to \media\internal on your Pre if that's going to serve as your temporary USB drive).

    When you first run FileZilla at the new site, you'll need to re-add your keyfile via Settings > SFTP and use site manager to create a site with the new local IP address and directory. (Basically, you just repeat step 5 above except you don't need to convert your private key.)

    run FileZilla from USB

    If you're planning to use FileZilla as a portable app directly from your USB drive, you'll need to make sure the configuration information and your private key are all stored in the current folder. Create the following two files in the main FileZilla directory on your USB drive:

    fzdefaults.xml
    <FileZilla3>
    <Settings>
    <Setting name="Config Location">.</Setting>
    </Settings>
    </FileZilla3>
    filezilla.xml
    <FileZilla3>
    <Settings>
    <Setting name="SFTP keyfiles" type="string">.\ssh.ppk</Setting>
    </Settings>
    </FileZilla3>
    Copy your private key file here as well, and either rename it to ssh.ppk or adjust the above setting to match your filename. You can then set up a new site for each location and run everything right from USB, and any custom settings will be retained.
    This gives me a good idea. I am going to try this out and then zip the entire directory and save it to my Pre and my FTP server and my Zumo drive. That way I can just grab the whole folder from anywhere. This will come in very handy for giving pics and vids to family.
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    #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    Yes, they will conflict. I'll need to work out how to deal with that in the next version of the OpenSSH packages in Preware.

    -- Rod
    great, thank you for the answer. am gonna drop the developer ssh then for the while.
  7. #47  
    Works perfectly for me, thanks!
  8. #48  
    Im getting intermittent Connection Timef Out with Filezilla.

    Anyone else seeing this?
    Pilot 5K->Palm IIIc->Tungsten T/T2->Treo 650/680 -> Pre+ (1.4.5 & Uberkernel)
  9. #49  
    Many thanks for this! I've used FileZilla for a while, so this made it really easy for me to get set up.

    FWIW, I had the same problem as Articus and couldn't initially connect. Had to restart the Pre and regenerate the keys. I suspect you need to reboot the Pre after installing the OpenSSH package. Preware didn't ask/tell me to do this, so I didn't, but you probably need to.
  10.    #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by swieder View Post
    Im getting intermittent Connection Timef Out with Filezilla.

    Anyone else seeing this?
    FileZilla has a 60-second connection timeout by default. You can adjust or disable this on the first page of Settings.
  11.    #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by davis.rob View Post
    FWIW, I had the same problem as Articus and couldn't initially connect. Had to restart the Pre and regenerate the keys. I suspect you need to reboot the Pre after installing the OpenSSH package. Preware didn't ask/tell me to do this, so I didn't, but you probably need to.
    Good to know. I'm wondering whether in both of your cases you already had one or more of the Optware packages installed that the OpenSSH SFTP Server is dependent upon. I didn't when I first set it up, which may be why I was prompted for a Luna restart.
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    Failure:

    Status: Connecting to 192.168.1.106...
    Response: fzSftp started
    Command: keyfile "C:\Documents and Settings\6Pack Studios\Desktop\Pre\PreKey.ppk"
    Command: open "root@192.168.1.106" 22
    Error: Connection timed out
    Error: Could not connect to server

    =====

    EDIT: I've got it working now. I think my problem is that, in the instructions, it is very difficult to tell where there might be spaces in those command lines. Emphasizing those would help a lot. I had to paste them into a text editor to see them properly.
    Last edited by ron2112; 06/20/2010 at 10:39 AM. Reason: later success
  13.    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    EDIT: I've got it working now. I think my problem is that, in the instructions, it is very difficult to tell where there might be spaces in those command lines. Emphasizing those would help a lot. I had to paste them into a text editor to see them properly.
    Okay, I switched the command lines to a monospace font in the original post. I was a little hesitant to do so because the longer lines may wrap for some readers, but you raise a good point since you can't just paste the commands into a terminal session.

    Glad you got it working.
  14. #54  
    Awesome! Great step-by-step just got it all setup on my new computer.
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    #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by zParticle View Post
    Whew—after two days of forum diving and experimentation, I finally got FTP up and running over SSH. I'd like to share the wealth: all the steps you need, in one place, to gain FTP access to your Pre over Wi-Fi—no more swapping out USB cables!

    This can be done in just 5 steps, which I'll detail below:
    1. install Preware
    2. use Preware to install SFTP and Terminal
    3. use Terminal to generate keys for OpenSSH
    4. transfer SSH keys to desktop via USB
    5. configure FileZilla on desktop and connect

    1. install Preware
    Since this has been well documented and you've probably done this much by now, I'm going to cheat and refer you to these excellent install guides:


    2. use Preware to install SFTP and Terminal
    With Preware on your system, you can manage most of your system tweaking right on the Pre with this single marvelous utility. Open up Preware to the main screen. It may take a minute or two to check for updates and index available packages.

    • At the main screen, type FTP and hit . Select OpenSSH SFTP Server from the list and install it. You may be prompted to install other dependent services and to restart when the install is complete, do so in both cases.
    • Back at the main Preware screen, type TERMINAL and hit . Select Terminal from the list and install it. You'll be prompted to install the Terminal Service Plugin and restart; again, do so.

    3. use Terminal to generate keys for OpenSSH
    Terminal gives you direct command-line access to to your Pre, which is amazing, but don't have too much fun with it—when they say it's not very stable, they're not kidding. For our purposes here it should work fine. I pulled the following command sequence from the helpful Application: OpenSSH wiki. (Really, everything you need is right there, but the trick is knowing which to apply and the necessary prerequisites.) So, to generate your SSH keys, start the Terminal application and enter the following commands:
    cd /
    /opt/bin/ssh-keygen
    Press to accept the default filename. When prompted, press twice for a blank password. Then enter the final commands to transfer your keys to usable locations:
    mv /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
    cp /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa /media/internal/id_rsa

    You're done with Terminal and can close it.

    4. transfer SSH keys to desktop via USB
    Connect the Pre to your computer via USB and put it in Drive mode (possibly for the last time!) Copy the id_rsa file from the Pre to your computer's hard drive and remember where you saved it. That's it! You can "safely disconnect" or "eject" the Pre's drive and unplug the USB cable.

    5. configure FileZilla on desktop and connect
    If you don't already have it, download and install the FileZilla client on your computer. This is a great general-purpose FTP client, but it's particularly suited to our purposes because of its native ability to handle the OpenSSH private key and convert it into a format it can use without any additional software.

    To add your SSH private key (again, per the Application: OpenSSH wiki):

    • start FileZilla
    • under Edit > Settings > SFTP, click "Add keyfile..." and locate the id_rsa file you saved earlier
    • click "Yes" to convert it to a .ppk file FileZilla can use
    • give it any name you like and save it to a permanent location where it will be available whenever you need to connect

    Now you just need to connect! Go to File > Site Manager and create a new site with the following settings:

    • Host: your Pre's local IP address over Wi-Fi
      (tap the name of your Wi-Fi connection for its current IP)
    • Servertype: SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol
    • Logontype: Normal
    • User: root
    • be sure to leave the password blank
    • optionally, on the Advanced tab: set your preferred local directory, and set the default remote directory to/media/internal

    Click Connect and hold your breath for a couple of seconds while you see if your hard work has paid off... if one of us didn't screw up, you should now have full wireless access to your Pre!

    By the way, the FileZilla application folder is easily portable on a USB drive if you wish to access the Pre from other machines.
    All I can say, is...WOW! Works just perfectly. Just took me a few little tweaks, but man oh man, couldn't be better. I love this community and webOS for things like this. Sure would be nice if it came stock on the phone like this!
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    #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by zParticle View Post
    Glad you got it working.
    Yeah, it still has a bit of difficulty connecting at first, but I imagine it's only because I just walked in the door, and the Pre just picked up the wifi network. Had I been here a while it probably wouldn't have had any problem. Once it's connected it works like a champ! I could be imagining things, but it seems to transfer even faster than USB. I'm really delighted by this solution, thank you so much!

    ron
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    #57  
    Quick question: Once we have everything set up and working, I assume we will continue to need OpenSSH SFTP Server, but how about Terminal? Can that be uninstalled?

    ron
  18.    #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Yeah, it still has a bit of difficulty connecting at first, but I imagine it's only because I just walked in the door, and the Pre just picked up the wifi network.
    The other factor is that if you're not actually using your Pre when you first connect with FileZilla, the phone is probably still in a low power state and takes a few seconds to wake up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Quick question: Once we have everything set up and working, I assume we will continue to need OpenSSH SFTP Server, but how about Terminal? Can that be uninstalled?
    Correct on both counts.
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    Dude, this is pretty sweet. It lost the connection once during a long transfer session, probably because the Pre went into low power mode or something. (I'm sure there's a setting or patch for that.)

    Other than that, it's smooth sailing. I'm experimenting with using the Pre as a replacement for my beloved 60GB Creative Zen, and maybe 12-13GB of mp3s on to the Pre has been a challenge to this point. Now it's just strollin' over there, happy as you please, all 1s and 0s floating through the air. Pretty f**king awesome, thank you.

    Is there any need/way to stop the SFTP server when I'm not using it?

    Can two Pres FTP between themselves?

    ron
  20.    #60  
    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Dude, this is pretty sweet. It lost the connection once during a long transfer session, probably because the Pre went into low power mode or something. (I'm sure there's a setting or patch for that.)
    Yep, Nodoze was designed for exactly this purpose. I find that simply leaving the Pre on the touchstone is usually enough to prevent this, but if not you could also try the No Auto-Off While Charging patch.

    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Other than that, it's smooth sailing. I'm experimenting with using the Pre as a replacement for my beloved 60GB Creative Zen, and maybe 12-13GB of mp3s on to the Pre has been a challenge to this point. Now it's just strollin' over there, happy as you please, all 1s and 0s floating through the air. Pretty f**king awesome, thank you.
    LOL. I wonder how this compares for folks using Wi-Fi Media Sync. It's just $2 at the moment; I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who's tried both solutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Is there any need/way to stop the SFTP server when I'm not using it?
    You should be able to kill the service via command line (Terminal on the Pre or Putty from your computer), but I've not noticed it consuming resources such that this would even be a consideration. It's pretty tiny—just 66kB.

    Quote Originally Posted by ron2112 View Post
    Can two Pres FTP between themselves?
    This would require an FTP client, which isn't available (yet!) for the Pre. Many of us would love to see browser support for FTP or a standalone FTP client for webOS.
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