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    Ok, so call me a newage yuppie...but why is everyone and their grandma asking for Desktop syncing?

    Did someone take a time machine back to 1997? Why the heck would you want desktop syncing when just as easily you can use methods to connect Outlook, Thunderbird, Mail and iCal to Google Calendar, Google Contacts, WHATEVER to the cloud and have a MUCH better syncing experience using cloud services.

    I really dont get it:

    Option a) cloud sync. Have everything instantaneously always available. Safely backed up on a server somewhere.

    Option b) Physically hook your Pre up to your computer daily and only then have your info transferred onto it. No back up online.


    Oh and dont give me that security/big brother/cloud servers going down BS...unless you work for the CIA no one cares about your calendar info being online. Your computer is much more likely to crash than a corporations cloud servers with multiple redundancies.

    I think some of you are just stuck in 1997 and need to get out.

    /rant.

    So why do people still want to use desktop sync other than a resistance to change?
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    Or C, which is what I chose. I sync to Outlook.

    It's wireless. I sync via wifi from anywhere in the house. Bluetooth when I travel.

    More importantly, I am not sending my VERY confidential contacts and appointments to Google so they can index them. I use Outlook every day, so that's where I do most of my add/change/delete work for contacts and calendar. I push one button, and I sync.

    Google has demonstrated to be someone I don't trust. Their recent track record with buzz, etc. Lat week they published actual credit card numbers from a partner whose site they are indexing. Not acceptable, and on of the primary reasons I didn't consider android. The force you to use gmail.
    Last edited by Cantaffordit; 04/30/2010 at 01:40 AM.
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    unless i had three devices fail simultaneously, I am completely backed up. Same data is on the Exchange server, my PC, and my phone.

    Can you imagine have all three of those fail at the same moment? If not, there is no benefit to me is syncing to the cloud, and I am not forced to use gmail.

    Your way is fine, but I would have stayed with my Centro before I would start pumping everything through Google.

    Call me paranoid, then go use google to search on google privacy concerns and see some of the really bad things they have done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmausser View Post
    Ok, so call me a newage yuppie...but why is everyone and their grandma asking for Desktop syncing?

    Did someone take a time machine back to 1997? Why the heck would you want desktop syncing when just as easily you can use methods to connect Outlook, Thunderbird, Mail and iCal to Google Calendar, Google Contacts, WHATEVER to the cloud and have a MUCH better syncing experience using cloud services.

    I really dont get it:

    Oh and dont give me that security/big brother/cloud servers going down BS...unless you work for the CIA no one cares about your calendar info being online. Your computer is much more likely to crash than a corporations cloud servers with multiple redundancies.

    I think some of you are just stuck in 1997 and need to get out.

    /rant.

    So why do people still want to use desktop sync other than a resistance to change?
    In addition to the above comments, (especially about having a backup) consider the reasons for concern if you store sensitive information on your device.

    When even the data centers for credit card companies and banks are hacked and thousands of people have had their secure information compromised, how much do you know about the security of the "cloud" where YOUR passwords, account numbers, credit card numbers, and pin codes are stored?

    Think it's overstated? Check this out:
    Chronology of Data Breaches | Privacy Rights Clearinghouse

    Unless you only use your Pre to store inconsequential details, you should give it some thought. I love the idea of syncing everything online, but until I have a high quality memo encryption package on my Pre, and can encrypt BEFORE syncing to a server on the net, there are some things I will think twice about before I'll commit sensitive data to the cloud.

    Anyway, what's wrong with having a choice?
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    Its cool to have a choice, but the choice should be yours.

    Buy The Missing Sync for $40 if you want to stay in the past.

    And I'm sorry, you guys are all way too paranoid. That's just my opinion though.
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    Don't be sorry @rmausser, its not your fault you're not grown up yet. You'll get there don't worry... I promise.

    Grow Up (TM)
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    And there are companies that will not allow people to access the exchange server with their phones. I have no other option than using Pocket Mirror, which also syncs notes and tasks properly. My company makes money on intellectual property, so yeah, they're paranoid about the network getting hacked.
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    It'd be nice if they had an open sync protocol other than google and such, so that we could host our own servers. LDAP and ical over ssl would suffice. I like being able to control my own 'cloud' so that I can fix things that don't work the way I like and such. This would also allow me to use whatever application I want on my other computers and everybody gets access to the data.

    Oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmausser View Post
    Its cool to have a choice, but the choice should be yours.

    Buy The Missing Sync for $40 if you want to stay in the past.

    And I'm sorry, you guys are all way too paranoid. That's just my opinion though.
    Tell that to the lady whose physically abusive ex found her because of info exposed by Google Buzz. Tell that to the people last week that had their full credit card numbers show up in google searches because of an error on a cloud service that google indexes. The list goes on. Ironically, you can google "google privacy criticism" and find lits of examples of how Google feels no need to ask permission about how they use my information once they have it...

    I'm not paranoid. I know that I have to take ownership of what happens to my stuff.

    Am I paranoid that I lock my house, and that I don't leave my keys in the car when I'm in the church parking lot?

    I had no problem with the $40. It's a small price for me to be able to use the phone the way I want to. I realize that I may not be in the majority, and I was happy to pay to have the same choices I had with my Centro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knobbysideup View Post
    It'd be nice if they had an open sync protocol other than google and such, so that we could host our own servers. LDAP and ical over ssl would suffice. I like being able to control my own 'cloud' so that I can fix things that don't work the way I like and such. This would also allow me to use whatever application I want on my other computers and everybody gets access to the data.

    Oh well.
    Check around these forums. I think some of this may be under development by the home brew community. I can't remember where I saw it, but I am thinking I may have seen it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantaffordit View Post

    I'm not paranoid. I know that I have to take ownership of what happens to my stuff.
    That is what it comes down to... the same people who don't do that will want to sue when something goes wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Note View Post
    That is what it comes down to... the same people who don't do that will want to sue when something goes wrong.
    And want a government bailout if something bad happens. Just like people that build houses near the coast and then want government assistance when a hurricane destroys the house...

    Or people that buy houses they can't afford and then want a bail out, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmausser View Post
    Buy The Missing Sync for $40 if you want to stay in the past.
    Did. Thanks.

    And I'm sorry, you guys are all way too paranoid. That's just my opinion though.
    Sorry, i don't think so. I'm in the IT security business for about 10 years now. Run my own company for 6 years now.

    Before that i shared an office with a data mining specialist. I worked for an internet provider at that time (we're speaking of the '90s here). And even then my employer had a transparent proxy in place and logged every URL request. My colleague had lots of data to mine...

    I personally would never, NEVER, store sensitive data online! I just know what happens in practice...

    Oh, and most of the corporate IT departments know this, too. Therefore i don't know any company that allows their employees to store data online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterH View Post
    Did. Thanks.


    Sorry, i don't think so. I'm in the IT security business for about 10 years now. Run my own company for 6 years now.

    Before that i shared an office with a data mining specialist. I worked for an internet provider at that time (we're speaking of the '90s here). And even then my employer had a transparent proxy in place and logged every URL request. My colleague had lots of data to mine...

    I personally would never, NEVER, store sensitive data online! I just know what happens in practice...

    Oh, and most of the corporate IT departments know this, too. Therefore i don't know any company that allows their employees to store data online.
    And yet, they let their employees buy Android phones and sync with Outlook. Android REQUIRES them to use gmail... I wonder how many IT departments realize this...

    There are no desktop sync tools for Android (last time I checked) which means I won't be getting a droid ever.
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    The MAIN reason I sync to my desktop (Outlook) is because the cloud servers DO go down. Then, I backup the desktop computers data to an external hard drive.

    Remember LAST YEAR when the Microsoft's (formerly Danger's) Sidekick servers went down and lost ALL of the data?
    People were complaining that there should have been a method to back the data up from the handhelds (which until they sync'd with the cloud still had the data). There wasn't.

    I will not abdicate responsibility for MY data to another service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVisibleShadow View Post
    The MAIN reason I sync to my desktop (Outlook) is because the cloud servers DO go down. Then, I backup the desktop computers data to an external hard drive.

    Remember LAST YEAR when the Microsoft's (formerly Danger's) Sidekick servers went down and lost ALL of the data?
    People were complaining that there should have been a method to back the data up from the handhelds (which until they sync'd with the cloud still had the data). There wasn't.

    I will not abdicate responsibility for MY data to another service.
    I agree with your view. But keep in mind that if someone does sync with the cloud, there is always a copy on their Pre/Pixi. If a cloud provider turns into a smoking hole (or you ut the phone in airplane mode so it can't connect) the contacts are still on the phone.

    Your concern (and mine) is what the cloud providers do with THEIR copy...
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    Desktop synching is manditory for me.

    Ive always felt that I am responsible for whatever happens to me or anthing that involves me, and therefore, I take the responsbility for my data, as well.

    Trusting others with it, no matter how sound thier methods are, or how good the idea is, still is in the hands of others who will have interests that may not, at some point, coincide with my own, and by relying on them for the back up and security of my information, I feel that Im neglecting my responsibility to make sure my data is properly backed up, accessible and secure/safe.

    Last fall, my daughter's sidekick suffered from the "Danger/MS" server crash, and she lost 150 contacts to "the cloud".

    Aside from the normal "teenage ranting that the world has ended", it was a wakeup call toher, and anyone and everyoneelse, that in the end, WE are responsible for our data, and we should never, ever forget that.

    PALM's profile and synergy, etc is a nice idea. Really.

    But, I still want to be able to control the backing up and security all of my information, data, emails, text messaages, pictures, and phone call logs, on my own.

    I think that after talking with most people who have grown up with the technology boom we have all lived through that Im not alone, by a long shot.

    "The more I learn, the more I realize just how little I really do know!" -Albert Einstein

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    No need for a smart *** comment. I think you are the one that needs some growing up.
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    So tell me how to sync my local Outlook account with out some sort of desktop sync, which you seem to say you know how to do.

    I personally don't like the features in Google, I have much more that I like in Outlook.

    I do have redundancy built into my computers at home, so I am not worried about loosing everything.

    I don't require internet service to sync, backup or restore my Outlook data, I don't need the internet to backup my complete Pre to my local computer. So if the internet is down, I can still function. (It's called Intranet, when you use IP service within your own domain, so I have wifi service even if the full internet is down)

    Did you ever try and restore from the cloud, if you have one or two contacts, it will happen fast, have a large database of contacts, calendar, notes and tasks (oh wait, can you store your memos to the cloud yet) it will be very slow. I'm using wifi locally so everything happens very fast. The cloud can't run that fast, yet!

    I use Chapura's PocketMirror and I don't have to hook up any kind of cable, so I'm not sure you know what your talking about, in saying 'option 2' you have to hook up a cable?

    Explain?

    Or did I just give you a reason why someone would need or want to use desktop sync to your local computer?

    Rob
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    For any and all of the reasons given above. I don't feel I should be forced to allow a third party to have access to my data.

    I suggest you grow up and let other adults make their own choices. Some of us may know a bit more than you do. If the information leaves the control of the owner, there is little to no security. The bigger the target the more the hackers will line up to crack it.
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