I can't believe you're stuck on this. The fact that Palm is promoting the app is the problem. The fact that it's in their press release means they are touting this app as an example to behold. I don't care who wrote the app, I'd be embarrassed to put this in a press release and draw attention to it. Seriously, maybe their staff still has loyalties to Apple if this is what they put out for publicity.

I can picture you on the Titanic as the ship is going down, asking if was the driver's fault or the iceberg's fault. Gotta get that straight before focusing on the real issue. Don't want to make the driver look bad if you can help it.

If you care about Palm, you should be critical of this app and the fact that Palm is getting behind it in *any* way. I don't care if they're the developer or not. At some point you need to hold them to a higher standard.

This has noting to do with the Titanic, or whose "driving", unless you somehow think Palm is going down over this. I don't think so. Barring that, it's just another topic to discuss. I think it's funny that some of you guys are getting your undies all up in a wad over it. You guys are are declaring Palm a failure over an app you haven't even seen yourself yet!!

Facebook is a service. There are already two other apps that work. One of them works fine for me. If Palm/Facebook/JoeDownTheStreet comes up with something better, great (I've already switched once, paid for FriendsFlos, and have since discovered I like Palmbook better). If not, I'll just keep using my phone the way it is.

I look at Twitter much the same way. There are now at least 4 Twitter apps out for the Pre. The fact that there is one of them that I don't like, doesn't reflect on Palm one way or the other. By the same token, the fact that there is one I particularly like doesn't either. It reflects on the developer, not the device.

And it would seem that your fervent refutation of said minutae is just as telling.

You've continued to ignore the most obvious part of what I've said on this (and what others have also said), a Facebook app isn't important to many of us.

You (and some others) seemed bound and determined though to delcare that Palm is a failing company over this one app. That, is minutae.

And, it would also appear that, in spite of your earlier assertions, you now have to resort to personal attacks to make your "point".

BTW, for the record, the "does it matter" that he referred to wasn't my question, and didn't involve Palm.

I know, I know, minutae.

This is getting silly but once Hparsons steps in it always does. First, if the Facebook app is not important to you, why are you posting on this thread? (and please don't twist this to ask me why am posting here). Second, no one said Palm will fail because of this one app. Where did you see that?

Bottom line is that some people want Palm to succeed and for Palm to have very high standards. Hence the dissapointment that Palm is actively promoting an app that does not meet these expectations.

You might have lower standards/expectations about this app or not care at all. Fine...then move on.

But of course you won't.

I know, right?

Dude is just funny.

Look, hparsons...I know you wanna pass this off as no big deal, and the good news is...to many people, it ISN'T. That's great. But that doesn't change whether it reflects badly on Palm or not.

I never had a problem with an app limit (as I never installed enough apps to get there. After Pandora, Where, and a handful of others, who cares?) on my Pre. Whatever that arbitrary level was, it was never a big deal to me. But I didn't jump into threads of people angry and frustrated about it and go "Look, like many other people, I don't care about this. You guys just wanna see Palm fail blah blah woof woof". Something can objectively be a problem even if it isn't a problem for me or you.

This is a problem. It reflects badly on the company if their dedicated solution is inferior in features and usability to pretty much every other "non-dedicated" solution that's been available to Pre users for months. It's indicative of wasted effort, poor decision-making, and terrible timing.

So are many other things about the Pre that never bothered me personally one bit.

These two posts contain powerful information for the future of WebOS. You should all read them again.

Whether this is 'Palm's Facebook App' or Palm's Facebook App is an argument not worth entertaining. As I've hinted in my unduly behemoth previous post, 1. the groundwork and procedure for how an official Facebook app appears on a phone is a known factor and 2. this is the same Facebook App that Palm has touted since before the pre's commercial inception: it is de facto Facebook application of the device.

What has yet to be seen (and this is where it gets interesting) is whether this is the de facto Facebook integration with WebOS. Is this a sin of omission or does this sparse app actually display future WebOS design?

Downtown has touched on something that I have talked about in several threads.

We often get thread topics wherein you list your hopes for the WebOS as a platform. Most people seem to settle for updated calendar integration, or forwarding texts, or improved battery life--the low-hanging fruit of immediate need, which is fine. These are all valid 'consumer issues' and are triaged according by Palm. Many of these 'consumer issues' are, by the their very natures, due for either continued improvement or continued neglect. The calendar sucks now, but of course it will get better one day--it will because it must if Palm is to make serious inroads back into the business market. Text forwarding is going to come because it is a no brainer and all too obviously implemented. Battery life? Well, some things just wont change significantly and are best left ignored.

No one talks about Synergy though.

Sure, people talk about getting Yahoo integration, and I am happy for them (although I have never used the service), but Synergy is poised as something more than that. I've spoken a lot about Design Philosophy and Downtown3641 definitely gets it.

If I wanted all of my Facebook contacts on the iPhone, for instance, there is an app for that. I'm sure there is one for Yahoo as well. And if I wanted google calendar updates on the iPhone, I'm sure there is an app for that too.

But that was never all that Synergy was supposed to be about--the phone is supposed to think for you. If this Facebook App is Palm's way of saying 'we are going to change the very nature of how you use facebook and twitter and all of these networking sites' then I say YES! This is what I want from Synergy.

As it stands now, typing a search on the home screen brings up Wikipedia, Google, Google Maps, and Twitter. Even ignoring the slow speed at which this list appears, it's almost useless in practice. While I will take any extra method to get to google-search that I can, what are we to make of google maps? Is anyone likely to start a search in the home screen for an address, rather than open the google maps program, which gives them immediate access to their current location--basically more information, more quickly, and more visually? What about twitter search? How likely are you to need to search something on twitter specifically that does not relate to a person or topic you don't already follow--if you need to search it, chances are you will be doing so within a twitter client already.

There has got to be further use for this list, and I can see a day when Facebook is added to it. It's a no-brainer. But how will it tie into WebOS?

I am hoping that Palm has an innovation or two up their sleeve so that the consumer to access all of their information in a unified manner. Like those early Palm commercials with the creepy lady, I want a phone that thinks for me. I want a truly innovate phone--like a few other posters said earlier, if I wanted an iPhone then I would have just purchased one.

I want a phone that changes the game, much the way the iPhone changed the entire cell phone paradigm upon it's entry into the market. If this limited facebook app is a sign of things to come in terms of deeper WebOS integration in the future, then I'm all for it. If the app is merely a sign of a rush-job in order to help grab post-centro market share then I am severely disappointed.

It's too bad we just don't know.

Here's the Facebbook app analysis that 90% of Pre or Pixi buyers will do:

1) "Cool phone. Does it do Facebook?"
2) [download OTA if necessary]
3) [try the app using their Facebook account]
4) "OMG that sucks. Do you have another one that does it better?"

When you say if you wanted an iphone you just would have bought an iphone, thats true. but so many ppl are set that the pre is supposed to be an iphone killer (ie. same as the iphone but better)

but yes i agree that i hope palm will do something with synergy. idk what they could do tho. it does what they advertised it as "it pulls contacts from multiple places and puts it in one list" - you can search the list all at once.

I found a thread encouraging us to "revolt" over an app that none of has seen to be interestin. I typically post where I find something of interest.

The comparison was made to the Titanic sinking, as if this particular app was causing the disaster. I stated the comparison isn't valid, unless the person was making that assertion.

Except, this thread started off with encouraging others to riot over this. Thus the replies (not only be me, I just tend to be a bit more persistent).

However, regardless of whether or not the Facebook app is relevant, I disagree completely with the notion that this app somehow reflects a failing company.

90% ???!!! Are you sure?

C'mon now, there's got to be some phone salesfolk on here. Do 90% of your customers REALLY ask about Facebook as their first question.

This is the type of silliness that this thread represents. Everyone thinks their issue is the issue.

It's not. Trust me, the 90% listed above is a bit of an exaggeration.

i agree. however many ppl DO care about facebook these days. for example my friend was looking into buying a smart phone and had seen the iphones facebook app...so she asked me what kinda app my phone had for facebook....to which i was like "ummm its coming out soon..." true its not as big as ppl make it...but i believe there are some who will go to iphone or android because of the app. (ppl are SO addicted to facebook these days.)

I meant 90% of the people who do a Facebook app analysis.

The iPhone Facebook App is and has been the #1 app in the Social Networking category, perhaps, since its inception.

who cares about a dedicated app? just use x.facebook.com. i'd much rather see more core development and fixes to the webOS in updates.

And I contend that while not nearly as feature rich as the iPhone app, the "twitter-esque" Facebook client due this weekend for us webOS users will satisfy many. Really. Would I like to see an application on par with what's available for the iPhone? Sure I would. Does the lack of such an application in the App Catalog indicate a company that's going down the tubes, or one that "doesn't get" their customer base? Absolutely -- if you're bad at logic.

if anything it just shows that its new compared to the iphones OS as it doesnt have as many developers making big named apps - however i still would like to have seen something that at LEAST lets you see other ppls profiles.....i mean comeon thats kinda basic

I don’t understand why so many people who say they could care less about the Facebook app, and that they have “greater needs” are even reading OR replying in this forum! Why aren’t you in another thread complaining about these more important complaints you have?

I for one am disappointed in this pathetic excuse for an application. Palm used Facebook as one of their main marketing tools. And to be honest, I expected that my Pre would have a SWEET Facebook app on it the day I purchased it. But obviously that wasn’t the case.

So many, including myself, have waited patiently for it. And this is what they finally give us? Pretty sad…

Because there are already a quadrillion threads on the subjects?

Just curious but, did you by the Pre only for a facebook application or did you purchase the Pre for other reasons?

yea, a bit, I am thinking about iphone comparisons here, since its one of the market competitors.

I am just wondering if we are barking up the wrong tree.

IE if facebook makes the best facebook app for the iphone, we could try and stir up some development from facebook, that might give us more pleasing results.
I am also less inclined to be upset with palm because I see it more as the responsibility of facebook to develop it. it changes my perspective a bit.

granted that means webos has to be wide spread enough to make it worth their (facebooks) time and effort, I don't know what that number actually is. I would also imagine it isn't based solely on number of WebOS phones, and includes mobile site traffic, as that is where there AD revenue would come from.

but lets say the best facebook app out there, the gold standard, is made by apple, then well, palm really should focus alot of effort into bringing there app up to par.

on the other hand, if facebook makes the iphone app, IE the gold standard, then perhaps we should be more forgiving of palm when they give us an interim solution until facebook develops there own app for webOS

Maybe instead of the twitterpeek you should buy a facebookpeek?