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Originally Posted by s219:
I think I know the distinction you're driving at (did Palm create this POS, or did a third party, thereby relieving Saint Palm of blame?), and it doesn't matter. Palm is advocating and demoing this as *the* Facebook app for webOS, the one that has been shown on the Pixi and anticipated for months with the Pixi. It shows just how low their standards are right now. No way would I be touting this as any sort of showcase app. But hey, it is consistent with some of the other garbage out there, so that's a plus.
Really? Palm said it was "*the* Facebook app for WeOS"? Where? I think you just made that up.I think I know the distinction you're driving at (did Palm create this POS, or did a third party, thereby relieving Saint Palm of blame?), and it doesn't matter. Palm is advocating and demoing this as *the* Facebook app for webOS, the one that has been shown on the Pixi and anticipated for months with the Pixi. It shows just how low their standards are right now. No way would I be touting this as any sort of showcase app. But hey, it is consistent with some of the other garbage out there, so that's a plus.
As for the stupidity about "saint palm", the comment is just that - stupid. I don't give "credit" to Palm over Pandora, because it's Pandora's app, not Palm. No one can get the blme or credit for an app but the developer. I just think it's interesting all the balme boing pointed at Palm with no one showing whose app it is.
Originally Posted by dandbj13:
Anyone who thinks this is unimportant does not grasp the fact that Facebook is as important in the mobile space as a good email client. Saying it can be accessed on the web is like saying that email can be accessed on the web and there is no need for a good client. Absurd!
Additionally, social networking is supposed to be the Pre's core competency. For many, Facebook IS social networking. If the Pre cannot offer best in class Facebook/social networking, then it has a HUGE public perception problem. iTunes gives a device instant credibility with consumers. A good Facebook client may be even more important. If Palm has an unreliable hack for one, and a poor effort for the other, they will not have another two years to get it right. Regardless of what you think about Facebook, this is a platform shaping issue.
+1.Anyone who thinks this is unimportant does not grasp the fact that Facebook is as important in the mobile space as a good email client. Saying it can be accessed on the web is like saying that email can be accessed on the web and there is no need for a good client. Absurd!
Additionally, social networking is supposed to be the Pre's core competency. For many, Facebook IS social networking. If the Pre cannot offer best in class Facebook/social networking, then it has a HUGE public perception problem. iTunes gives a device instant credibility with consumers. A good Facebook client may be even more important. If Palm has an unreliable hack for one, and a poor effort for the other, they will not have another two years to get it right. Regardless of what you think about Facebook, this is a platform shaping issue.
Originally Posted by hparsons:
Really? Palm said it was "*the* Facebook app for WeOS"? Where? I think you just made that up.
As for the stupidity about "saint palm", the comment is just that - stupid. I don't give "credit" to Palm over Pandora, because it's Pandora's app, not Palm. No one can get the blme or credit for an app but the developer. I just think it's interesting all the balme boing pointed at Palm with no one showing whose app it is.
Really? Palm said it was "*the* Facebook app for WeOS"? Where? I think you just made that up.
As for the stupidity about "saint palm", the comment is just that - stupid. I don't give "credit" to Palm over Pandora, because it's Pandora's app, not Palm. No one can get the blme or credit for an app but the developer. I just think it's interesting all the balme boing pointed at Palm with no one showing whose app it is.
don't you get it??? It doesn't matter who wrote the app. It is and will always be known as the official Palm pre Facebook app.
Originally Posted by Gr3yGhOsT:
I still don't see the real need for a Facebook app. The mobile website works fine for me, and if I need more, I can always use the desktop version. I would rather see Palm focus on the bigger rocks...GPU support, Flash, calendar, etc.
I still don't see the real need for a Facebook app. The mobile website works fine for me, and if I need more, I can always use the desktop version. I would rather see Palm focus on the bigger rocks...GPU support, Flash, calendar, etc.
The mobile website would be a lot better if the feed wasn't so broken. Of course this does go along with the full website's feed being broken as well. But anything pulled from the API(as is for an app) doesn't seem as broken.
Also Palm needs to get Facebook chat in messaging app.
Hparsons...dude, Palm doesn't physically manufacture the Pre, either, yet they are held accountable for its integrity and quality.
Whether they farmed out the Facebook app to an outside developer or if Jon Rubinstein personally coded it every night between launch and now, it doesn't matter. They took five months to release a "dedicated" app that was no better than the mobile sites and mobile apps available beforehand.
Whatever their motivation was, whatever amount of time they personally put into it...it's irrelevant. I know you wanna hang onto to this tangent, but...there's nothing there. It's an inadequate, inexcusable misstep.
Whether they farmed out the Facebook app to an outside developer or if Jon Rubinstein personally coded it every night between launch and now, it doesn't matter. They took five months to release a "dedicated" app that was no better than the mobile sites and mobile apps available beforehand.
Whatever their motivation was, whatever amount of time they personally put into it...it's irrelevant. I know you wanna hang onto to this tangent, but...there's nothing there. It's an inadequate, inexcusable misstep.
Originally Posted by VickMackey:
don't you get it??? It doesn't matter who wrote the app. It is and will always be known as the official Palm pre Facebook app.
Well, I think I'm beginning to. It will be "official" because a few Palm-haters on here have declared it so. Personally, I'd rather hear from Palm...don't you get it??? It doesn't matter who wrote the app. It is and will always be known as the official Palm pre Facebook app.
Originally Posted by dandbj13:
Anyone who thinks this is unimportant does not grasp the fact that Facebook is as important in the mobile space as a good email client. Saying it can be accessed on the web is like saying that email can be accessed on the web and there is no need for a good client. Absurd!
Additionally, social networking is supposed to be the Pre's core competency. For many, Facebook IS social networking. If the Pre cannot offer best in class Facebook/social networking, then it has a HUGE public perception problem. iTunes gives a device instant credibility with consumers. A good Facebook client may be even more important. If Palm has an unreliable hack for one, and a poor effort for the other, they will not have another two years to get it right. Regardless of what you think about Facebook, this is a platform shaping issue.
Well said!Anyone who thinks this is unimportant does not grasp the fact that Facebook is as important in the mobile space as a good email client. Saying it can be accessed on the web is like saying that email can be accessed on the web and there is no need for a good client. Absurd!
Additionally, social networking is supposed to be the Pre's core competency. For many, Facebook IS social networking. If the Pre cannot offer best in class Facebook/social networking, then it has a HUGE public perception problem. iTunes gives a device instant credibility with consumers. A good Facebook client may be even more important. If Palm has an unreliable hack for one, and a poor effort for the other, they will not have another two years to get it right. Regardless of what you think about Facebook, this is a platform shaping issue.
How well a phone does in the market nowadays really have a lot to do with Facebook. Every time I see my friends get a new phone, the first app they would get is Facebook. If the phone has a bad Facebook app, mostly the users are not gonna like the phone.
Originally Posted by mikah912:
Hparsons...dude, Palm doesn't physically manufacture the Pre, either, yet they are held accountable for its integrity and quality.
Dude, they put their name on it though. Show me that on the App. I don't think you can...Hparsons...dude, Palm doesn't physically manufacture the Pre, either, yet they are held accountable for its integrity and quality.
Originally Posted by mikah912:
They took five months to release a "dedicated" app that was no better than the mobile sites and mobile apps available beforehand.
"They" who? It's a simple question, and for all your ranting and raving, you haven't answered it. I don't know the answer, it may even actually have been coded by Ruby himself. The difference between us is I'm asking because I don't know, and your insisting that you do, solely because the answer your giving fits the scenario you want.They took five months to release a "dedicated" app that was no better than the mobile sites and mobile apps available beforehand.
You mentioned "facts" before, produce 'em...
Originally Posted by mikah912:
Whatever their motivation was, whatever amount of time they personally put into it...it's irrelevant. I know you wanna hang onto to this tangent, but...there's nothing there. It's an inadequate, inexcusable misstep.
Well, there you have it, you say so, it must be so (but, I suspect they'll somehow survive...)Whatever their motivation was, whatever amount of time they personally put into it...it's irrelevant. I know you wanna hang onto to this tangent, but...there's nothing there. It's an inadequate, inexcusable misstep.
Originally Posted by ChiWo:
Well said!
How well a phone does in the market nowadays really have a lot to do with Facebook. Every time I see my friends get a new phone, the first app they would get is Facebook. If the phone has a bad Facebook app, mostly the users are not gonna like the phone.
Sigh... I know I'm going to be lambasted for this (imagine the nerve of actually asking questions...) but have you considered the possibility that it has more to do with who your friends are than with the general market? I have four daughters (including one who swears by her iPhone). One does all if her Facebook posting from her BB, another does about half and half from her iPhone, and the other 2 do zero from phones (and both have smartphones), posting from computers instead.Well said!
How well a phone does in the market nowadays really have a lot to do with Facebook. Every time I see my friends get a new phone, the first app they would get is Facebook. If the phone has a bad Facebook app, mostly the users are not gonna like the phone.
I do about 50/50 from my Pre (in spite of there not being any "official" Facebook app from Palm earlier, and only a crappy one now - if the riotous rants are to be believed). I don't use FB for chats much, there are too many better mediums for chatting, but I would sincerely like to see photo captioning improved for the Pre.
Wonder if it would help if I started demanding it NOW...
Here's a little bit of insight and hope for you guys (I could care less as I now converted to Android -- but I still have the Pre around to watch it mature).
Joe Hewitt (@joehewitt on twitter) is an engineer at Facebook and is the lone individual responsible for developing the Facebook iPhone app. In the past day he's posted his disgust for Apple and the way they handle iPhone app submissions (walled garden).
He said he's getting back to his roots and wants to help improve the web (HTML/CSS/JavaScript). Now, here's the cool part: Twitter / Joe Hewitt: @jarinudom I have a Pre. ...
Yes. He owns a Pre .. does this mean we could see a Facebook app developed by him/Facebook (ala an "official" Facebook app).
Only time will tell!
Joe Hewitt (@joehewitt on twitter) is an engineer at Facebook and is the lone individual responsible for developing the Facebook iPhone app. In the past day he's posted his disgust for Apple and the way they handle iPhone app submissions (walled garden).
He said he's getting back to his roots and wants to help improve the web (HTML/CSS/JavaScript). Now, here's the cool part: Twitter / Joe Hewitt: @jarinudom I have a Pre. ...
Yes. He owns a Pre .. does this mean we could see a Facebook app developed by him/Facebook (ala an "official" Facebook app).
Only time will tell!
Originally Posted by barkerja:
Here's a little bit of insight and hope for you guys (I could care less as I now converted to Android -- but I still have the Pre around to watch it mature).
...
Unfortunately, that rumor has already been floated by someone else, and the "experts" vetted it and informed us t'aint so.Here's a little bit of insight and hope for you guys (I could care less as I now converted to Android -- but I still have the Pre around to watch it mature).
...
(Seriously, sounds interesting, but you'll have a hard time being heard around here right now - some days are better than others though...)
Originally Posted by barkerja:
Here's a little bit of insight and hope for you guys (I could care less as I now converted to Android -- but I still have the Pre around to watch it mature).
Joe Hewitt (@joehewitt on twitter) is an engineer at Facebook and is the lone individual responsible for developing the Facebook iPhone app. In the past day he's posted his disgust for Apple and the way they handle iPhone app submissions (walled garden).
He said he's getting back to his roots and wants to help improve the web (HTML/CSS/JavaScript). Now, here's the cool part: Twitter / Joe Hewitt: @jarinudom I have a Pre. ...
Yes. He owns a Pre .. does this mean we could see a Facebook app developed by him/Facebook (ala an "official" Facebook app).
Only time will tell!
Actually, if you read his Q&A posted over on PIC, he says that webOS is his favorite platform overall but won't bother developing for it until he seems performance increases.Here's a little bit of insight and hope for you guys (I could care less as I now converted to Android -- but I still have the Pre around to watch it mature).
Joe Hewitt (@joehewitt on twitter) is an engineer at Facebook and is the lone individual responsible for developing the Facebook iPhone app. In the past day he's posted his disgust for Apple and the way they handle iPhone app submissions (walled garden).
He said he's getting back to his roots and wants to help improve the web (HTML/CSS/JavaScript). Now, here's the cool part: Twitter / Joe Hewitt: @jarinudom I have a Pre. ...
Yes. He owns a Pre .. does this mean we could see a Facebook app developed by him/Facebook (ala an "official" Facebook app).
Only time will tell!
And for the folks lambasting the forthcoming Facebook app, at least try it out before you crap your pants?
I'd be willing to bet that more than half the people posting updates and checking their news feed from their Cliqs and Heros are doing so from the widget, and not the full blown app.
I'd be willing to bet that more than half the people posting updates and checking their news feed from their Cliqs and Heros are doing so from the widget, and not the full blown app.
Originally Posted by hparsons:
Dude, they put their name on it though. Show me that on the App. I don't think you can...
This is your debate technique, it seems: When all goes south, find a meaningless tangent and keep pounding. So be it.Dude, they put their name on it though. Show me that on the App. I don't think you can...
Whatever name is attached to this app when it hits the catalog is irrelevant. It's been explained to you by several people, but I will give it another go.
Palm has "officially" referred to this, and ONLY this, as the FB "dedicated" app. They didn't forget that FF and PalmBook existed. They didn't put the names of several FB apps in a hat and say "Whichever one we choose, we'll make OS-level integration for in the upcoming update and demo it with our next big thing, the Pixi." They didn't allow ONLY this app to be formally and officially called 'Facebook' on WebOS because it's NOT their app and they don't stand behind it.
It IS their app. Period.
Originally Posted by :
"They" who? It's a simple question, and for all your ranting and raving, you haven't answered it. I don't know the answer, it may even actually have been coded by Ruby himself. The difference between us is I'm asking because I don't know, and your insisting that you do, solely because the answer your giving fits the scenario you want.
I'm only insisting that it is their app that they have deemed official and attached their name to. That we BOTH know, though you wanna deny it with all of your might. Whatever app is formally called 'Facebook' on a mobile OS IS the "official" one. Facebook wouldn't allow the trademark to be used otherwise. Neither would Apple, Google, RIM, Microsoft or Palm."They" who? It's a simple question, and for all your ranting and raving, you haven't answered it. I don't know the answer, it may even actually have been coded by Ruby himself. The difference between us is I'm asking because I don't know, and your insisting that you do, solely because the answer your giving fits the scenario you want.
Who coded it means nothing.
And if THIS is what Palm puts their name behind after five months, it is a joke.
And of course if it was not developed from Palm directly then they may not have a whole lotta choice of how it turned out... but... you would think that its going on your phone that you do have some say in what you would like and how it would turn out otherwise you find a developer that will do it the way you want and put your name on that.
They have had a long time to come out with the best fb app. iphones and other platforms have already been out so not hard to one up anothers app when you know exactly what they have... guess people not happy that after this much time available that at worst you can copy them feature for feature and still they came up short. there are other phones like moto cliq or other lame phones with facebook integration and probably didnt take them this long to develop on their phones.
yes you have the web based ones still to compensate for those that know... but it is a little weak though because the new buyer will look at the phone and see the app and want/expect it to be full featured and not have to go with alternatives.
of course this is a 1.0 app so they can add the features missing soon afterwards.
They have had a long time to come out with the best fb app. iphones and other platforms have already been out so not hard to one up anothers app when you know exactly what they have... guess people not happy that after this much time available that at worst you can copy them feature for feature and still they came up short. there are other phones like moto cliq or other lame phones with facebook integration and probably didnt take them this long to develop on their phones.
yes you have the web based ones still to compensate for those that know... but it is a little weak though because the new buyer will look at the phone and see the app and want/expect it to be full featured and not have to go with alternatives.
of course this is a 1.0 app so they can add the features missing soon afterwards.
Originally Posted by mikah912:
And if THIS is what Palm puts their name behind after five months, it is a joke.
And if THIS is what Palm puts their name behind after five months, it is a joke.
Originally Posted by mikah912:
It IS their app. Period.
And none of your explanations have really said that. Until I see their their name one it, or a claim by them that this is their Facebook app, then it's just another app in their catalog, much like Pandora.It IS their app. Period.
Originally Posted by mikah912:
Whatever app is formally called 'Facebook' on a mobile OS IS the "official" one. Facebook wouldn't allow the trademark to be used otherwise. Neither would Apple, Google, RIM, Microsoft or Palm.
Who coded it means nothing.
And if THIS is what Palm puts their name behind after five months, it is a joke.
Then wouldn't that make it Facebook's app, not Palm's? Just like I said earlier that Pandora's app isn't to Palm's credit, it's to Pandora's. Sounds like Facebook put their name behind it, not Palm; and you'd like to blame Palm for it...Whatever app is formally called 'Facebook' on a mobile OS IS the "official" one. Facebook wouldn't allow the trademark to be used otherwise. Neither would Apple, Google, RIM, Microsoft or Palm.
Who coded it means nothing.
And if THIS is what Palm puts their name behind after five months, it is a joke.
As far as your nonsense about "debate technique" and "all going south"... HUH???? I'd stated earlier that I don't really care about a Facebook app, to me it reflects very little on Palm one way or the other. I'd much rather see Sling Player or Docs to Go on it.
That said, I've seen some pretty silly things in this thread - Talk about Palm's Facebook ad (it was Sprint's ad, not Palm's, blame creepy girl on Palm), the notion that everyone should "riot" over this, then the same person saying "Your argument is that what is important to you MUST be important to me?" and now you insisting in post after post that the application that Facebook has (by your own assertion) put their name on is Palm's responsibility.
Does my "Official" Facebook app for Windows reflect poorly on Microsoft???? Oh wait a minute.... There is no official Facebook app for Windows... It's called Internet Explorer... Isn't that strange...
is the iphone app made by facebook or apple
To be honest I use facebook everyday. Its still not that IMPORTANT to get a update everytime someone changes there status. I check it a few times a day only to be honest. The mobile web version of that page does its justice for me!
Originally Posted by hparsons:
And none of your explanations have really said that. Until I see their their name one it, or a claim by them that this is their Facebook app, then it's just another app in their catalog, much like Pandora.
Then wouldn't that make it Facebook's app, not Palm's? Just like I said earlier that Pandora's app isn't to Palm's credit, it's to Pandora's. Sounds like Facebook put their name behind it, not Palm; and you'd like to blame Palm for it...
As far as your nonsense about "debate technique" and "all going south"... HUH???? I'd stated earlier that I don't really care about a Facebook app, to me it reflects very little on Palm one way or the other. I'd much rather see Sling Player or Docs to Go on it.
That said, I've seen some pretty silly things in this thread - Talk about Palm's Facebook ad (it was Sprint's ad, not Palm's, blame creepy girl on Palm), the notion that everyone should "riot" over this, then the same person saying "Your argument is that what is important to you MUST be important to me?" and now you insisting in post of post that the application that Facebook has (by your own assertion) put their name on is Palm's responsibility.
Does my "Official" Facebook app for Windows reflect poorly on Microsoft???? Oh wait a minute.... There is no official Facebook app for Windows... It's called Internet Explorer... Isn't that strange...
I'm wondering if you're just having fun or truly don't get this.And none of your explanations have really said that. Until I see their their name one it, or a claim by them that this is their Facebook app, then it's just another app in their catalog, much like Pandora.
Then wouldn't that make it Facebook's app, not Palm's? Just like I said earlier that Pandora's app isn't to Palm's credit, it's to Pandora's. Sounds like Facebook put their name behind it, not Palm; and you'd like to blame Palm for it...
As far as your nonsense about "debate technique" and "all going south"... HUH???? I'd stated earlier that I don't really care about a Facebook app, to me it reflects very little on Palm one way or the other. I'd much rather see Sling Player or Docs to Go on it.
That said, I've seen some pretty silly things in this thread - Talk about Palm's Facebook ad (it was Sprint's ad, not Palm's, blame creepy girl on Palm), the notion that everyone should "riot" over this, then the same person saying "Your argument is that what is important to you MUST be important to me?" and now you insisting in post of post that the application that Facebook has (by your own assertion) put their name on is Palm's responsibility.
Does my "Official" Facebook app for Windows reflect poorly on Microsoft???? Oh wait a minute.... There is no official Facebook app for Windows... It's called Internet Explorer... Isn't that strange...
Facebook fans who own a Pre, download the Facebook app, see how limited it is, and feel ...what? Disappointed? Let down? And who at? Facebook? No way. They love Facebook. They know that other platform facebook apps offer more. Nope, they focus their disappointment on Palm, at their device.
Is it the end of world? Heck, I don't give a rat's you know what about facebook. But a great many do. Especially the Pixi's target market.
Palm should care more about certain apps. This is one of them. It's one that is actually worth Palm spending some resources on to ensure a quality app.
I wonder about Palm. They don't seem concerned that their Pixi camera blows. They don't seem concerned about users having a good experience. Having paid apps in an app store marked "beta." No wifi on a Pixi that chews up data and is useless if not in a good sprint area. An itunes sync that breaks every month. Hardware that requires multiple exchanges. And the list goes on.
My biggest concern about Palm isn't the competition, but Palm itself. All these things add up.
Originally Posted by hparsons:
And none of your explanations have really said that. Until I see their their name one it, or a claim by them that this is their Facebook app, then it's just another app in their catalog, much like Pandora.
Then wouldn't that make it Facebook's app, not Palm's? Just like I said earlier that Pandora's app isn't to Palm's credit, it's to Pandora's. Sounds like Facebook put their name behind it, not Palm; and you'd like to blame Palm for it...
As far as your nonsense about "debate technique" and "all going south"... HUH???? I'd stated earlier that I don't really care about a Facebook app, to me it reflects very little on Palm one way or the other. I'd much rather see Sling Player or Docs to Go on it.
That said, I've seen some pretty silly things in this thread - Talk about Palm's Facebook ad (it was Sprint's ad, not Palm's, blame creepy girl on Palm), the notion that everyone should "riot" over this, then the same person saying "Your argument is that what is important to you MUST be important to me?" and now you insisting in post after post that the application that Facebook has (by your own assertion) put their name on is Palm's responsibility.
Does my "Official" Facebook app for Windows reflect poorly on Microsoft???? Oh wait a minute.... There is no official Facebook app for Windows... It's called Internet Explorer... Isn't that strange...
I see it now...truly you are Saint Palm...And none of your explanations have really said that. Until I see their their name one it, or a claim by them that this is their Facebook app, then it's just another app in their catalog, much like Pandora.
Then wouldn't that make it Facebook's app, not Palm's? Just like I said earlier that Pandora's app isn't to Palm's credit, it's to Pandora's. Sounds like Facebook put their name behind it, not Palm; and you'd like to blame Palm for it...
As far as your nonsense about "debate technique" and "all going south"... HUH???? I'd stated earlier that I don't really care about a Facebook app, to me it reflects very little on Palm one way or the other. I'd much rather see Sling Player or Docs to Go on it.
That said, I've seen some pretty silly things in this thread - Talk about Palm's Facebook ad (it was Sprint's ad, not Palm's, blame creepy girl on Palm), the notion that everyone should "riot" over this, then the same person saying "Your argument is that what is important to you MUST be important to me?" and now you insisting in post after post that the application that Facebook has (by your own assertion) put their name on is Palm's responsibility.
Does my "Official" Facebook app for Windows reflect poorly on Microsoft???? Oh wait a minute.... There is no official Facebook app for Windows... It's called Internet Explorer... Isn't that strange...
it doesn't matter how valid or invalid your points are, your unwavering support for palm nullifies them. And I'll say it again. It is the official app. I know that hurts you but it will be ok dude. Why can't you ever admit that palm could **** up? Not every bad decision by them is some zen like plot that us mere mortals are too stupid to understand.
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