I just think it's humorous when folks insist they know more about how to run Palm than Palm does. Show the credentials that convinces us you know more about what Palm should do than Palm, and I'll "knock it off".

As far as the second comment; if it wasn't the Facebook app, it would be something else that you (and others) insist that full evidence of Palm not having their act together. Yet they keep selling phones, keep succeeding after the "experts" predicted they'd fail.

It's really not a matter of "agreeing with my point". I don't disagree about whether or not this is a good app (I haven't seen it yet, but then, I suspect neither have you...) The truth is that if Palm was really the failure in all of the areas that you, and so many others, keep insisting they are, then they wouldn't be around.

I left the "no one" in there just for you. Have a nice weekend

Ahhh, nothing to do with failed logic. Thanks, good to know you completely blow any form of logic just for me. That explains a lot.

I never claimed I could run Palm, or would even want to. I don't think anyone else did either. You're inventing that. Like you always do.

However, as a software developer, Pre owner, and someone with an average amount of good taste, I think it's pitiful that Palm is putting their weight behind this app in any way, shape, or form. It is embarrassing. It looks like something a summer intern put together. It tells me that they lack critical oversight at some key levels. If somebody pitched this app to Steve Jobs at Apple, he would have crucified them. Yet Palm touts it as a feature in a press release. You can see the same thing on many levels at Palm. It reflects of poor taste, low expectations, and a lack of good judgement. I don't need to be a CEO to see that, nor do the other folks that are posting here. Anyone who has used a good FB app on another platform can look at this and see it's junk.

Don't pull out the "Palm is succeeding" argument either. If we were to rewind to some of the summer discussions where I was griping about OpenGL, source code protection, and other missing software technologies, we'd see that my points have become extremely accurate in recent months. And we'd see all your predictions about successful apps, developers figuring out how to do stuff, big developers showing up, the app catalog taking off, etc... failed to materialize. I think you even had some grand prediction for September that never materialized. So I don't want to hear the "if Palm that, then Palm this" arguments, because your track record isn't so good right now.

I don't have a problem with the Facebook App.

Just Sayin

Oh, so there's a Facebook website that integrates with the notifications of WebOS and the notifications and widgets of Android?

Really, so you're saying no big developers have showed up? As far as my prediction about apps showing up, I said I hoped what I hoped for, but acknowledged my guess may be high, it actually has exceeded my predictions (but not my hopes). All I've every really said about Palm is that they're succeeding. They are.

I stand by my eariler statement. If Palm were failinng in all of the areas you claim they are, they would be under. They're simply not. They likely are not meeting your expectations, but I suspect that's not their business plan.

Now I'm really confused. You want a Facebook app for webOS that integrates with the widgets of Android?

This may have already been mentioned, but if you are unhappy with the facebook apps available to webOS try going to lite.facebook.com. It is a stripped down version of the full site and it fits on the Pre's screen very nicely. It also has most of the functionality of the full site.

Cool, thanks for the info.

I think it's important to understand, this thread really had very little to do with the shortcomings of the Facebook app. Keep in mind, this is about an app that most of those posting about hasn't even been seen by them, it was all based on a couple of reviews.

Go back and look at the postings and threads by those that have been the most "vocal" against Palm and the Pre in this thread, you'll see a pattern. That will tell you a lot about the real purpose of the thread.

you are incorrent. I made this thread because the app "sucks" and palm has dropped the ball when it comes to facebook. I made the thread so people who care about facebook would make some noise and let palm know that their half baked approaches to certain issues are far from acceptable. So again you are wrong.

That's right. It's an anti-Palm conspiracy. We've got secret meetings and a decoder ring, and even a clubhouse. Beware. Meanwhile, hparsons has no agenda, and if you "go back and look at his postings and threads", that will IN NO WAY show the same pattern on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Gosh, I'd love to dwell on yet another distracting tangent, but back to the discussion we go.

I don't understand why I have to see an app to confirm what someone else who has seen it has: the lack of features. It was NOT Joshua Topolsky or Dieter's personal opinion that the WebOS Facebook app is feature-poor. They are simply reporting objective facts.

Do you need to operate or buy a Pre to know that it can't record video? No, you can clearly read the confirmed objective reporting widely available. Do I need to see use the Facebook app to confirm that it can't access the FB inbox, invites, and profiles and pics of people not in your immediate feed? No, this has already been confirmed and it confirms that it has less features than both A) Official FB apps on competing platforms and B) Mobile Facebook websites already formatted for spec mobile Webkit resolution.

This is a disappointment, objectively speaking, because anyone who wanted a FB app these past five months wanted something that EXCEEDED the mobile websites and interacted with WebOS in some meaningful fashion. If you didn't, then you wouldn't want/need an app in the first place.

That's right you saw me talk about "conspiracies" and "secret meetings". It was right there ... oh wait, you pulled that out of your butt. Never mind.

Yep, mine also show a pattern. I support the product and company that is the "inspiration" of this forum. Wild concept, I know, go figger. There is another aspect of mine though, I actually go out of my way to help folks that ask for help. I don't think you'll see that in those other folks we're discussing.

Unfortunately, the thread wasn't about the missing features, it was about "revolt" (simply look at the title).

It did achieve that purpose though. It revealed who was revolting.

Sorry, I was just going by your earlier post. You said something quite different then. Maybe it was your alter-ego posting?

It's called comic exaggeration and/or sarcasm, and I didn't quote you or even implied you said those things. Quite unlike you seriously making stuff other people have supposedly said in this very thread.

Don't know the difference between jingoism and patriotism, eh? That's about what I figured.

And remember, folks, try the fish. Hparsons will be here all week.

I think Hparsons is trying to get his post count to 3,000. That must explain why he responds to everything...and I mean everything. He's 132 posts away and I predict he'll get to 3k before the weekend is over....

...and that's not good news since the race to 4k begins after that....

haha, he does respond to everything, he will even invent arguments and facts to form a rebuttal. pathetic actually.

Epic. Win.

That was awesome.

I think maybe you're mistaken (or possibly even being less than truthful?) about the "responds to everything" (and, did you really mean "everything").

Rather than some race, maybe it has something to do with the fact that I've been on the forum for 6 years.

But, imagine the nerve of it all. That I actually respond to posts on a forum!

Seriously, is that your best shot?