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    Industry groups is filled with people with their interest,I couldn't care less with what they have to say.

    That being said, palm, get a songbird or amarok and get off that riduculous iTunes already.
  2. #182  
    I hate itunes and hope sync for it is broken forever
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    #183  
    Quote Originally Posted by phreakish View Post
    How would you feel if you had to use a different file explorer for every different brand of thumb drive?
    Agree.

    All the folks who use thumb drives should stop using the Windows Explorer , which is part of the Windows ecosystem developed by Microsoft.
    find a way to move your files back and forth from your PCs and Macs ( yes those too).

    Once you finish , then comeback here on the forum and start your complaints about PALM.
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    #184  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe View Post
    There appears to be some confusion about the difference between a public utility and a private utility. iTunes isn't a public utility, it's private, proprietary software. There are ample appropriate means for accomplishing what Palm is too lazy/overwhelmed/unskilled/selfish/arrogant (pick one or more) to accomplish on their own. There are decent free and pay capabilities in the marketplace that accomplish what Palm is trying to do in an underhanded fashion - I'll bet anyone of them would be willing to enter into a business arrangement with Palm. Palm needs to get over their underdog syndrome and stop pretending to be victims.

    I like your posts for the most part , but you have this thing wrong.
    You missed two things , the "time" constraint and "the willingness to learn new things".

    The fact is that majority of the "Regular Pre Users" have iTunes.
    They spent many hours organizing their music collection.
    They just want to connect , sync, disconnect.

    They know other alternatives exist.
    But they neither have the time nor the willingness to sync music using "other sync solutions".

    My personal experience , almost all my friends who own the Pre (10) did it with iTunes.

    And guess what, I have to tell them how to do it. Not that they are stupid they just don't want to spend time reading instructions.
    I told many of these folks to join the forum for the good APPS we get here.
    None of them are interested. They were willing to wait for the official APP store.

    While I agree that PALM could have not chosen this path to begin with ,
    but they wanted the regular (non tech savvy, time constrained , not willing to learn new things , just plain lazy or just clueless) customers to sync their organized music.
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    Has anyone seen my pants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merovingian View Post
    Why aren't you this vocal that the Pre doesn't sync with Zune software?
    The issue here is , till date only about 3-5 million Zunes are sold while 200 million iPods were sold since the original launch.

    So the issue is reaching a territory where it can be called "monopoly" or other bad words.

    But really speaking , PALM or Amazon can do another media sync software.
    Which can be pointed to the iTunes folder to pick DRM free software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbp View Post
    The issue here is , till date only about 3-5 million Zunes are sold while 200 million iPods were sold since the original launch.

    So the issue is reaching a territory where it can be called "monopoly" or other bad words.

    But really speaking , PALM or Amazon can do another media sync software.
    Which can be pointed to the iTunes folder to pick DRM free software.

    I don't see how that is "the issue".
  8. #188  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gator352 View Post
    None of my music is purchased...period,
    When you look up non sequitur in the dictionary, you'll see how your opening remark should be an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gator352 View Post
    I won't give crapple one red cent of my money. I don't like thier socialistic ways of what you can or can't do with either your software or hardware that YOU purchased with your hard earned money.
    You are well on your way to graduating from Old Coot University. You don't have to pay Apple one red cent to download and run their software or to play the music of your choice in their software. They don't even charge you to insanely rant about the money you don't have to pay them. Of course, Apple might be asking you, "What did you want for free, your money back?"

    I'm not sure what your use of socialistic means in that sentence - I'm pretty sure you meant something closer to dictatorial. Maybe you learned to spell that word from some spoon-fed talking points, but someone forget to tell you the definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gator352 View Post
    I believe once you buy something...it's yours, not theirs and you can do with your product as you see fit. So music purchased through Itunes should be able to be ported to ANY device you own that supports music.
    You mean like you can do ... um ... with iTunes? You realize 99% of their music is DRM free now don't you? You realize it was a trivial thing to remove DRM from their music before they dropped DRM don't you? Just what is your point here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gator352 View Post
    Palm is NOT stealing from crapple, what are they stealing? Apple's efforts are soley proprietary and what you purchase should not be locked down by a socialistic monopolizing company. They are just making it so you can play the music YOU purchase from Itunes on another device with ease. Crapple here is the ones greedy and arrogant by locking you in to use ONLY their products.
    Palm is using proprietary software without permission. Apple makes the music in iTunes fully available to any software seeking access to it, but they do not allow this through their proprietary, iPod-centric software. Many self-respecting companies have already built their own interfaces into the iTunes library. Are you saying Apple should be compelled to make their software compliant with every device on the market just so Palm doesn't have to develop (or license) a piece of software many other developers have found to be a trivial effort? You must be very proud of Palm's willingness to: 1. leech off of another company's successful product without paying for it; 2. violate the terms of the USB-IF they signed up to; and 3. inconvenience, repeatedly, the very customers they purport to be supporting.

    Lazy, incompetent, and arrogant. Who wouldn't want to invest in that?

    Finally, regarding your continued (mis)use of the word socialistic, maybe Inigo Montoya ("The Princess Bride") can help: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." (Hint: Socialism)
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    #189  
    Quote Originally Posted by sol740 View Post
    I don't see how that is "the issue".
    Microsoft thought the same way. When you are market leader you should be careful about how you let others use your platform / product. You can argue that iTune is not a product but a platform. ( I am not saying this , its APPLE saying to investors long time back).

    Back in the day , Microsoft could have said , okay APPLE, I don't want you to use my operating system which I developed for quite sometime and spend lots of money for using your tiny thing. If you continue to do so , I will have my engineers block your hardware ( it was firewire back then).

    LEft with no choice , Apples probably would have complained to Anti Trust division. Once the guy at anti trust knows Microsoft owns 85% market, he would say, this is crazy. Then the lawyers chime in on all sides.

    Once you reach a market share that can be called dominating ( about 70% or more) you have to be careful about how such small issues will evolve.

    Typically if you go after a rich guy , you get some money as opposed to going after a (PALM) pauper !!! you get nothing.

    Don't get me wrong , I am not supporting PALM. If its not played nicely , the issue can slowly lead to something big where lawyers and government make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbp View Post
    Microsoft thought the same way. When you are market leader you should be careful about how you let others use your platform / product. You can argue that iTune is not a product but a platform. ( I am not saying this , its APPLE saying to investors long time back).
    Alright you brought Microsoft up. For some time their 'cash cow' has been MS-Office. You get to pay for it. Handsomely, I might add. After all these years they still have never had to 'open up' to third parties as suggested Apple should do with iTunes. Simply look at the .doc file format as an example. The single most used word processing file format on the planet, yet it has to be constantly reverse engineered by outsiders to be supported in their packages. The same is true for AutoCad and others.

    Just because iTunes is popular doesn't mean that Apple can be forced to 'open up' their interfaces. It can't, shouldn't and won't happen.
  11. #191  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe View Post

    Lazy, incompetent, and arrogant. Who wouldn't want to invest in that?
    Wow. You shouldn't be calling anybody else arrogant. And I already looked that up, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fid View Post
    Alright you brought Microsoft up. For some time their 'cash cow' has been MS-Office. You get to pay for it. Handsomely, I might add. After all these years they still have never had to 'open up' to third parties as suggested Apple should do with iTunes. Simply look at the .doc file format as an example. The single most used word processing file format on the planet, yet it has to be constantly reverse engineered by outsiders to be supported in their packages. The same is true for AutoCad and others.

    Just because iTunes is popular doesn't mean that Apple can be forced to 'open up' their interfaces. It can't, shouldn't and won't happen.
    I'm not a fan of Apple or iTunes, but I totally agree with that.
  13. #193  
    Is it okay for VMWare to lie to Windows by pretending it's a real PC?
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