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    CGK, are you just trying to put a negative twist to all things?

    Palm Pre calendar has a data feed called My Palm. CGK believes that to be the mypalm.com calendar service, but it could be a local calendar on the Pre itself, for those who have no need for a cloud service calendar (and mypalm.com could just provide access to your own device through web). Many here have expressed wishes for a non-cloud solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttcoupe View Post
    CGK, are you just trying to put a negative twist to all things?
    No - I'm just looking at it from the perspective of a company trying to make money who have had a significant investment from venture capitalists who expect to make a lot of money. That money is going to come from a) selling lots of phones and (in my view) b) pushing users towards additional revenue generating services - both Palm's own and those of their partners.

    Many here have expressed wishes for a non-cloud solution.
    Yes and? That doesn't affect my view that Palm isn't going to provide it. The rightness or wrongness of my position doesn't affect the position itself.

    This isn't a gameshow where we are trying to win prizes, I'm just telling you, how I see it going down from a commerical point of view on the information that we currently have. I could be 100% totally wrong, I could be 50% right - but who cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttcoupe View Post
    CGK, are you just trying to put a negative twist to all things?
    CKG you have asserted that one reason the Cloud will be the only sync option is to lock in data subscription revenue for the carriers. Again I ask you what source do you have which supports the notion that a bloc of users buy a smartphone only to cancel the data plan? And is this a significant enough of a group to alienate another group of buyers who require local sync? Again, casting a wide net on a simple feature makes good sense and catches more fish. Isnt that the point?
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    Wishes of an operator often goes before the wishes of a phone user, but it is quite stupid to suggest that Palm would place a company like Google (who happens to also be a competitor) ahead of the phone user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eekinsman View Post
    Second that.
    But the point is - I don't see it as a negative twist - it just seems like normal practice to me. It's not that I am putting across negative points but that from your usage needs, it's a negative.
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    I am a physician in private practice. I use a treo 750 and it is critical that I can synchronize to outlook for scheduling tasks and contacts. What Palm seems to have forgotten ( as well as many who are into this so called "cloud computing") is that there is some data that just should not be out there in the world wide web....privacy laws for good reason are very strict when it comes to medical info... I would never use a program that is on the web or store data on the web for my patients..... it is just too insecure...no matter how secure they make it...

    so.... no sync... no treo pre no matter how slick it is otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    But the point is - I don't see it as a negative twist - it just seems like normal practice to me. It's not that I am putting across negative points but that from your usage needs, it's a negative.
    Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsussman View Post
    I am a physician in private practice. I use a treo 750 and it is critical that I can synchronize to outlook for scheduling tasks and contacts. What Palm seems to have forgotten ( as well as many who are into this so called "cloud computing") is that there is some data that just should not be out there in the world wide web....privacy laws for good reason are very strict when it comes to medical info... I would never use a program that is on the web or store data on the web for my patients..... it is just too insecure...no matter how secure they make it...so.... no sync... no treo pre no matter how slick it is otherwise
    Same here for the legal profession.
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    Those are good points - on concentrating on the "fat middle", palm is going to leave a lot of specialist users out in the cold.

    What are we talking about not being able to sync?

    Contact details? records or both?

    It will be interesting to see if/when third party solutions arrive - because it could be a chicken and an egg - there aren't enough specialist users to develop for/specialist users don't use the phone because there is not the secure software they need.

    What do Doctors/lawyers using the iphone/g1 do? anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsussman View Post
    I am a physician in private practice. I use a treo 750 and it is critical that I can synchronize to outlook for scheduling tasks and contacts. What Palm seems to have forgotten ( as well as many who are into this so called "cloud computing") is that there is some data that just should not be out there in the world wide web....privacy laws for good reason are very strict when it comes to medical info... I would never use a program that is on the web or store data on the web for my patients..... it is just too insecure...no matter how secure they make it...

    so.... no sync... no treo pre no matter how slick it is otherwise
    I can see some developer is going to make a bunch of money making a conduit/sync program. I think there will be a lot of people wanting to make their own "clouds" in their home offices. I really can't see it being that much of a problem for the developers of these sync programs. They just need to setup a tcpip sync app that runs on your pc. I think I read somewhere the pre is using a standard SQL-lite database so it should not be hard.

    If the pre lets you query it's database over the usb, then it should be easy over usb as well.

    So for all those sync companies out there, the race is on... first one is going to make a bunch of money. Anyone here a patent attorney? lol
    French Pre3, UK Pre2, US Veer, German gsm Pre, 680, garmin ique 3600 & still have my working palm pilot 1000 with the 1 Mb adapter

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    #51  
    CGKSYNC will be ready in four days!

    Get back ya bastards, the money's mine!
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    CGKSYNC will be ready in four days!

    Get back ya bastards, the money's mine!
    I'll take the beta
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    Quote Originally Posted by frantid View Post
    I can see some developer is going to make a bunch of money making a conduit/sync program. I think there will be a lot of people wanting to make their own "clouds" in their home offices. I really can't see it being that much of a problem for the developers of these sync programs. They just need to setup a tcpip sync app that runs on your pc. I think I read somewhere the pre is using a standard SQL-lite database so it should not be hard.

    If the Pre lets you query it's database over the usb, then it should be easy over usb as well.

    So for all those sync companies out there, the race is on... first one is going to make a bunch of money. Anyone here a patent attorney? lol
    Of course this discussion dovetails into the extent that Palm will exercise strict or relaxed certification of 3rd party apps and the role of their app store. Ah yes it seems to get more silly after the anouncement but before the release of the first Pre. What is that, post announcement but pre Pre release?
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    This discussion is interesting to me. I work for a small law firm, and we do not have Exchange or any kind of cloud computing for our data. However, my girlfriend is a paralegal for a very large law firm, and they do use cloud computing because they use MS Office Online. My girlfriend checks her email, calendar, and tasks from her laptop, my home computer, etc.

    Note that all email is in the cloud to some extent. Your email server is connected to the Internet and the only security is your user name and password. So even if you are a physician, attorney, psychologist, or celebrity madam, your email is in the cloud right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eekinsman View Post
    What is that, post announcement but pre Pre release?
    that's funny.

    I think "cloudware" would not need to be certified as it's outside of the pre.

    Seriously though, I think if they are building facebook, gmail support. Then it won't be that hard, or there may already be something out there that does WebDav, or iCal services on a pc. Technology, always goes in a circle. Centralized computing to distributed computing to centralized, etc. Just look at bit torrent software - it only exists on the cloud, but each participant has a local piece of the data on his pc as a member of the cloud.
    French Pre3, UK Pre2, US Veer, German gsm Pre, 680, garmin ique 3600 & still have my working palm pilot 1000 with the 1 Mb adapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttcoupe View Post
    CGK, are you just trying to put a negative twist to all things?

    Palm Pre calendar has a data feed called My Palm. CGK believes that to be the mypalm.com calendar service, but it could be a local calendar on the Pre itself, for those who have no need for a cloud service calendar (and mypalm.com could just provide access to your own device through web). Many here have expressed wishes for a non-cloud solution.
    Pretty sure it is the local data on your calendar.


    And that's how it looks before you add a calendar to sync via this:
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    #57  
    Could be - the reason I think mypalm.com is where any online service is going to be is that palm fought to get that name and then used it to trial an (unsuccessful) online service. It's the perfect name - if it's connected to the "mypalm" we saw in the demo? I think you might be right about that.. but that "mypalm" data has to go somewhere right?
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    No. It does not have to go anywhere. It is possible that it just stays on your Pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttcoupe View Post
    No. It does not have to go anywhere. It is possible that it just stays on your Pre.
    and then when your pre goes down a manhole cover you.... well what do you do?
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    Then I access my local or cloud backup?
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