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    I read Dieter's fantastic review/coverage of the Pre. In one of his postings he said Hotsync is gone. Will there be some other sync app to install or will it use MS ActiveSync?

    If not...
    I understand web based apps (ie. Facebook Calender) will be auto synced/updated via the data connection, but what about phone specific data (call logs, text messages, contacts, etc)???

    Not that I'm a MAC user, but has support for MAC been mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxidasical View Post

    Not that I'm a MAC user, but has support for MAC been mentioned?

    Hmmm that sounds like something off Seinfeld "not that there is anything wrong with that"
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    No laughing matter.
    This is of great concern to some of us who use databases on a daily basis. When I come home I back up the days entry. How does one do this?
    Also, with no card to back up to, what if your device goes TU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviator View Post
    No laughing matter.
    This is of great concern to some of us who use databases on a daily basis. When I come home I back up the days entry. How does one do this?
    Also, with no card to back up to, what if your device goes TU?
    Well you'd pull your PIM information from the cloud - as for the rest, since it's a massive storage device, you could just use a normal sync product to back up the data files...

    *but* having said that, it seems if you want to be doing databases and the like, then the idea is that you will move to winmob - the usage of the Feo seems more modeled on the iphone (entertainment, communications) than Palm OS (Productivity, 101 specialist users with specific needs).
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    If you read Dieters excellent liveblog, you'll notice that Chapura was listed as one of the developers. Chapura is known for its syncing solutions. I do believe there will be syncronization software on the phone but I do think it will use TCP/IP as conduit and will be platform independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laxidasical View Post
    I read Dieter's fantastic review/coverage of the Pre. In one of his postings he said Hotsync is gone. Will there be some other sync app to install or will it use MS ActiveSync?

    If not...
    I understand web based apps (ie. Facebook Calender) will be auto synced/updated via the data connection, but what about phone specific data (call logs, text messages, contacts, etc)???

    Not that I'm a MAC user, but has support for MAC been mentioned?

    I am a Mac user, and the fact they keeps saying things like "Synergy will sync your Outlook, Facebook, and Google contacts" makes me think I'm going to have to wait for Mark/Space to come out with Missing Sync for WebOS.

    I hope they're just using Outlook at a generic term, but experience teaches me otherwise.
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    I wonder if that whole Palm backup OTA solution they had in beta last year is going to resurface?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Well you'd pull your PIM information from the cloud [...]
    I'm cool with the cloud concept, but I need for Palm to have a primary application for calendar items (for instance). I don't use Outlook for that... or anything else, actually.

    That's a big part of how I operate so I hope it'll be addressed by launch time.

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    Hey west. Long time.

    The cloud is neat, but if my Mac Address book can't connect to the cloud too, then I have some orphaned contacts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMIC50 View Post
    I wonder if that whole Palm backup OTA solution they had in beta last year is going to resurface?
    I think it'd still need central apps TO back up (PIM data, specifically). Or maybe I should say *I* would still need those apps.




    Also, someone thought they saw room for an sd card slot of some sort, but I guess not. That sucks. I'd miss taking pix on my digital camera, slapping the card in my phone, then e-mailing the pix to someone (as I did during a car repair situation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by west3man View Post
    I'm cool with the cloud concept, but I need for Palm to have a primary application for calendar items (for instance). I don't use Outlook for that... or anything else, actually.

    That's a big part of how I operate so I hope it'll be addressed by launch time.

    *waves to TypoLad*

    But it makes sense for palm not to develop that and leave it to the marketplace to fix (also it weakens their value proposition to the carriers - why are you going to pay for data services if you can do it locally for free?). All their device needs is the connectivity to pull data from exhange, google, yahoo etc.

    If people want desktop sync, I guess a 3rd party will provide it at a cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    But it makes sense for palm not to develop that and leave it to the marketplace to fix
    Why do you think it makes sense? To me, it does not make sense to include Facebook, gps, and other apps, but to leave out one of their defining ... umm... thingees.

    But I'm open to other opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    (also it weakens their value proposition to the carriers - why are you going to pay for data services if you can do it locally for free?).
    I don't get what you mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    All their device needs is the connectivity to pull data from exhange, google, yahoo etc.

    If people want desktop sync, I guess a 3rd party will provide it at a cost.
    That was a problem I had with the Foleo (and I guess why they created it the way that they did). It lacked a PIM app. It required one to buy this very basic thing (at least Palm has conditioned me to consider it to be so).
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    I don't get what you mean.
    Well if you can synch locally via cable with your desktop that removed one of the needs for data services - it's in the interest of the carriers that you *need* data plans to get the best out of the phone. It's not in their interest for you not to need a data plan.

    In addition, no desktop means that there is no development cost for palm to develop decent desktop software - they just concentrate on their device working with the cloud and on-line data services.

    The concept is clearly that you don't need a PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Well if you can synch locally via cable with your desktop that removed one of the needs for data services - it's in the interest of the carriers that you *need* data plans to get the best out of the phone. It's not in their interest for you not to need a data plan.

    In addition, no desktop means that there is no development cost for palm to develop decent desktop software - they just concentrate on their device working with the cloud and on-line data services.
    I see. How unfortunate for folks like me, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    The concept is clearly that you don't need a PC.
    ...except to enter the data into the cloud apps in the first place. (I prefer pc entry to HAVing to manually enter each bit o' info in each field, by phone.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by west3man View Post
    I see. How unfortunate for folks like me, though.


    ...except to enter the data into the cloud apps in the first place. (I prefer pc entry to HAVing to manually enter each bit o' info in each field, by phone.)
    So do I but that's the beauty of thing like exchange - I add a contact and blam it's on my phone - I haven't done anything - it's just there. I could never go back to using a cable or bluetooth for synch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    The concept is clearly that you don't need a PC.
    I'm totally down with that concept but unfortunately my company still uses them.

    My company also uses an Exchange server but will only allow OTA syncing via BES. Therefore I need a wired solution. Right now Windows Mobile works fine in that respect but I really want to move to the new Palm OS.

    I really hope that they come up with some kind of cable or Blue Tooth syncing solution to work with Outlook PIM data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    So do I but that's the beauty of thing like exchange - I add a contact and blam it's on my phone - I haven't done anything - it's just there. I could never go back to using a cable or bluetooth for synch.
    That's convenient for you, but I don't use Exchange or Outlook. Even if I did, it would only have been for work contacts so I'd still have some orphaned contacts (to borrow your well-coined phrase).
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    So how does one sync up all of their contacts from their Centro or other POS device with a Pre? Via the cloud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTex View Post
    So how does one sync up all of their contacts from their Centro or other POS device with a Pre? Via the cloud?
    I would guess you export them as a .CSV (Palm desktop does .CSV right) and then upload them into Google or exchange or whatever and then *that* is the conduit that imports into your phone.


    As far as I can see - there is a line in the sand here, Palm doesn't care how palm OS users get their information across - you are just another customer migrating to the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by west3man View Post
    That's convenient for you, but I don't use Exchange or Outlook. Even if I did, it would only have been for work contacts so I'd still have some orphaned contacts (to borrow your well-coined phrase).
    Which you'd have to upload to gmail or similar and the device would integrate them into your phone book.
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