Finally Sept 2012 webOS 1.0 open source

akitayo · 12:13 AM

Finally for Sept 2012 webOS 1.0 open source

From webosnation front pages:

http://www.webosnation.com/hp-s-open...-webos-roadmap

http://www.webosnation.com/hp-announ...en-sources-1-0

laoh · 01/25/2012, 02:08 PM

So will it be September before we can even begin to port webOS to phones? Or can we sneak in a few beta ports along the way?

This is exciting.

kill_Dano · 01/25/2012, 02:13 PM

Seems like a really long time to do this. HP should have hired more people.

ccx · 01/25/2012, 02:26 PM

well a little longer that hoped, but still good news

gargoylejps · 01/25/2012, 02:42 PM

I would rather them take time and get it right, than rush something out the door and mess up. Realize, every line of this code has to be reviewed to make sure its not infringing on someone else's intellectual property. If this were released with some Apple, or Google, IP in it, we could see any new device held up for, literally, years as they tie up things in court.

Gargoyle

jcerwinske · 01/25/2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kill_Dano

Seems like a really long time to do this. HP should have hired more people.

Looks like a pretty aggressive schedule to me...

ursula · 01/25/2012, 03:19 PM

HP really thought this out and for once I'm very pleased with their work!

Balooz · 01/25/2012, 03:22 PM

lol. Pleased with HP's' work? Really?

retraux · 01/25/2012, 03:33 PM

Really looking forward to this, I'm just hoping there will be some form of on-screen keyboard because there are very few portrait sliders out there for us to port to.

Dave

ShiftyAxel · 01/25/2012, 03:57 PM

I imagine Open webOS 1.0 will be a unifying release, so all the devices'll get the same features. Aka the keyboard from the tablet version on phones

so happy with this news.

kigmatzomat · 01/25/2012, 04:26 PM

This is a reasonable timeline and probably better thought out than I expected. Maybe I'm jaded about HP but I suspect WOSI played a large part in making this good.

There are 4 big points I took from this simple schedule:

1. This maintains the viability of the WebOS ecosystem in the short term. Releasing Enyo first in a way that lets apps be cross-compiled to other environments (cough Android) gives the devs a revenue stream from their existing apps and, since there's no need to learn a new way of coding, encourages the creation of new WebOS apps (even if the real profit comes from sales to Android users)

2. It leverages existing platforms that have quite a few developers (Qt & Linux). Using a standard linux kernel means it becomes easier to compile replacements as you don't have to add any WebOS-specific libraries. More importantly, we get to use all the open source drivers as well as any redistributable closed-source drivers that work on the platform. Qt has quite a few followers, particularly in the Moblin/Meego crowd that was orphaned by Nokia/Intel/MS, so this may convince them to port apps to WebOS.

3. Supports new hardware. Barring the release of Enyo, the release schedule appears to be working from the kernel up to the final complete OS. That means any touch-screen hardware that boots a Qt-enabled Linux can be tested for WebOS compatibility.

4. Official release is early enough (September) that if any of the smaller ODMs were planning on releasing a WebOS device that they could have it in a usable state for CES. Heck, they could probably have hardware ready for Christmas. (Assuming final validation/tweaks to the software September while the pre-qualified hardware is being assembled, finalized WebOS flashed & shipped from Asia in October, starts shipping to users mid/late November)

74sickness · 01/25/2012, 04:38 PM

Open Source Packages - opensource.palm.com - Palm

The codes not sure if i can post it here?

lavo96 · 01/25/2012, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kigmatzomat

3. Supports new hardware. Barring the release of Enyo, the release schedule appears to be working from the kernel up to the final complete OS. That means any touch-screen hardware that boots a Qt-enabled Linux can be tested for WebOS compatibility.

Which is why my next phone in a month's time will be a Nokia N9. Uses a TI chipset like a Pre2, and is linux-based. I think it might be the perfect test mule for Open WebOS

I like the roadmap....as long as HP sticks to it. Gives devs from all walks a chance to play with Enyo, and hopefully there will be a plethora of apps available once September rolls around. What will be interesting is Windows 8 - as Metro uses html/css/js as its programming base. I wonder if HP releasing Enyo first on the eve of Windows 8 coming out was a calculated move to get Enyo apps into the Windows Store?

akitayo · 01/25/2012, 07:00 PM

January is almost ending, then 8 months for a final time frame for webOS 1.0 Open source is good. Just thinking in a quality output.

Did anyone play with PiratePig yet: http://enyojs.com/samples/piratepig/

zemoffm · 01/25/2012, 07:07 PM

where does Mojo framework fit into this?

I guess I'm just wondering because eventually I would like to upgrade my Pre 2 with the latest and greatest open source OS... and it seems that Mojo is the way to go for the small screen. Plus I want my gesture area!

Although I guess with open source, anything can happen.

Also, what about HP Maps (or any of the built in apps)? Will that be open sourced?

ursula · 01/25/2012, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zemoffm

where does Mojo framework fit into this?

I guess I'm just wondering because eventually I would like to upgrade my Pre 2 with the latest and greatest open source OS... and it seems that Mojo is the way to go for the small screen. Plus I want my gesture area!

Although I guess with open source, anything can happen.

Also, what about HP Maps (or any of the built in apps)? Will that be open sourced?

2.2.4 for the Pre 2 and the Pre 3 uses Enyo if I'm not mistaken, just not the Enyo that the TouchPad uses. I'm sure a version will be available in the future.

jmleese · 01/25/2012, 07:41 PM

Hey, I've been a launch day Sprint webOS convert and waited this long, so I'm pleased to see they actually released a roadmap as opposed to Ruby's old cryptic very soon pitch. I am excited at the fact the platform won't be device dependent per se, and would be shocked if people around here or xda, for example, don't start cranking out roms / ports for some awesome new phones. Sort of reversing the TP situation with duel booting android.

A boy can hope...

akitayo · 01/25/2012, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 74sickness

Open Source Packages - opensource.palm.com - Palm

The codes not sure if i can post it here?

Thank you for your valuable post.

jcerwinske · 01/25/2012, 11:12 PM

I hope determining the "intended project governance" doesn't turn into some corporate/organizational/political roadblock to the plan.

jpash549 · 01/25/2012, 11:30 PM

Very encouraging. Wonder what that bunch over at Cupertino think ?

01/25/2012, 02:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
akitayo News Contributor Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,586 Likes Received: 53 Thanks: 114 Thanked 637 Times in 240 Posts	Finally Sept 2012 webOS 1.0 open source Finally for Sept 2012 webOS 1.0 open source From webosnation front pages: http://www.webosnation.com/hp-s-open...-webos-roadmap http://www.webosnation.com/hp-announ...en-sources-1-0 Last edited by akitayo; 02/08/2012 at 12:13 AM.
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01/25/2012, 02:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
laoh Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 737 Likes Received: 130 Thanks: 30 Thanked 74 Times in 55 Posts	So will it be September before we can even begin to port webOS to phones? Or can we sneak in a few beta ports along the way? This is exciting.
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01/25/2012, 02:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
kill_Dano Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 856 Likes Received: 34 Thanks: 173 Thanked 67 Times in 49 Posts	Seems like a really long time to do this. HP should have hired more people.
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01/25/2012, 02:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
ccx Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 605 Likes Received: 79 Thanks: 10 Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts	well a little longer that hoped, but still good news
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01/25/2012, 02:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
gargoylejps Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 223 Likes Received: 15 Thanks: 4 Thanked 21 Times in 16 Posts	I would rather them take time and get it right, than rush something out the door and mess up. Realize, every line of this code has to be reviewed to make sure its not infringing on someone else's intellectual property. If this were released with some Apple, or Google, IP in it, we could see any new device held up for, literally, years as they tie up things in court. Gargoyle
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01/25/2012, 03:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
ursula Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 511 Likes Received: 25 Thanks: 49 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	HP really thought this out and for once I'm very pleased with their work!
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01/25/2012, 03:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Balooz Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Pueblo, Co. Posts: 164 Likes Received: 12 Thanks: 17 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts	lol. Pleased with HP's' work? Really?
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01/25/2012, 03:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
retraux Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 45 Likes Received: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Really looking forward to this, I'm just hoping there will be some form of on-screen keyboard because there are very few portrait sliders out there for us to port to. Dave __________________ Proud webOS supporter! My Palm history: Vx, Centro, Pre-, Pre 2, Veer, Pre 3, Touchpad 32Gb & Panda Veer
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ShiftyAxel Homebrew Developer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Here. Posts: 624 Likes Received: 82 Thanks: 22 Thanked 167 Times in 84 Posts	I imagine Open webOS 1.0 will be a unifying release, so all the devices'll get the same features. Aka the keyboard from the tablet version on phones so happy with this news. __________________ Stuff and Things that I had a hand (or two) in: WiFi File Sharing - Simple Network Sharing for webOS (Now available in Preware!) Enyo Smooth Scrolling, Mojo Smooth Scrolling, Mojo FPS Booster, Mojo Tap Responsiveness, Mojo Flick Regulator, Mojo Speedy Switch, Pre3 Just Type Scrim Fix, HP webOS Carrier String, EDGE Icon Patches. If you like any of the above and are feeling generous, why not ? :]
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01/25/2012, 04:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
kigmatzomat Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 138 Likes Received: 20 Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts	Helps keep WebOS viable This is a reasonable timeline and probably better thought out than I expected. Maybe I'm jaded about HP but I suspect WOSI played a large part in making this good. There are 4 big points I took from this simple schedule: 1. This maintains the viability of the WebOS ecosystem in the short term. Releasing Enyo first in a way that lets apps be cross-compiled to other environments (cough Android) gives the devs a revenue stream from their existing apps and, since there's no need to learn a new way of coding, encourages the creation of new WebOS apps (even if the real profit comes from sales to Android users) 2. It leverages existing platforms that have quite a few developers (Qt & Linux). Using a standard linux kernel means it becomes easier to compile replacements as you don't have to add any WebOS-specific libraries. More importantly, we get to use all the open source drivers as well as any redistributable closed-source drivers that work on the platform. Qt has quite a few followers, particularly in the Moblin/Meego crowd that was orphaned by Nokia/Intel/MS, so this may convince them to port apps to WebOS. 3. Supports new hardware. Barring the release of Enyo, the release schedule appears to be working from the kernel up to the final complete OS. That means any touch-screen hardware that boots a Qt-enabled Linux can be tested for WebOS compatibility. 4. Official release is early enough (September) that if any of the smaller ODMs were planning on releasing a WebOS device that they could have it in a usable state for CES. Heck, they could probably have hardware ready for Christmas. (Assuming final validation/tweaks to the software September while the pre-qualified hardware is being assembled, finalized WebOS flashed & shipped from Asia in October, starts shipping to users mid/late November)
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74sickness Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Peaking in your window :) Posts: 584 Likes Received: 19 Thanks: 26 Thanked 45 Times in 38 Posts	Open Source Packages - opensource.palm.com - Palm The codes not sure if i can post it here?
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akitayo News Contributor Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,586 Likes Received: 53 Thanks: 114 Thanked 637 Times in 240 Posts	January is almost ending, then 8 months for a final time frame for webOS 1.0 Open source is good. Just thinking in a quality output. Did anyone play with PiratePig yet: http://enyojs.com/samples/piratepig/
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zemoffm Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 101 Likes Received: 3 Thanks: 7 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	where does Mojo framework fit into this? I guess I'm just wondering because eventually I would like to upgrade my Pre 2 with the latest and greatest open source OS... and it seems that Mojo is the way to go for the small screen. Plus I want my gesture area! Although I guess with open source, anything can happen. Also, what about HP Maps (or any of the built in apps)? Will that be open sourced?
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jmleese Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 159 Likes Received: 7 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Hey, I've been a launch day Sprint webOS convert and waited this long, so I'm pleased to see they actually released a roadmap as opposed to Ruby's old cryptic very soon pitch. I am excited at the fact the platform won't be device dependent per se, and would be shocked if people around here or xda, for example, don't start cranking out roms / ports for some awesome new phones. Sort of reversing the TP situation with duel booting android. A boy can hope...
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jcerwinske Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 107 Likes Received: 18 Thanks: 3 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	I hope determining the "intended project governance" doesn't turn into some corporate/organizational/political roadblock to the plan.
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