The webOS Survival Kit - Page 4

Herrie · 02/07/2013, 01:28 PM

ipk's can be get DURING the install from App Catalog. Check media/internal/downloads, it's there during install (so only a few seconds usuallly), but you can copy it in this short timeframe using WOSQI for example.

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MudShark22 · 02/07/2013, 01:40 PM

Some of my apps are not coming back after doctor, but still reside on other devices I have. So the goal is to copy off, 'ipk' the files and save for posterity.

gizmo21 · 02/07/2013, 02:42 PM

So i mentioned the name before in this thread, but perhaps that was too vague and as i posted already details in other threads months ago i'm doing it here again. It's
not exactly "IPK" saving, but simple save and recover of installed apps on webOS devices with PDK-hybrid app:
L\'Haut-Parleur mybackup

- download mybackup.zip
- copy unzipped hybrid/PDK file to USB partition
- Login via novaterm or on device wterm as root (Default exec command: login -f root)
- cd /
- /media/internal/mybackup starts the PDK app
- select BACKUP and wait from 10-40minutes depending on appcount/size an devicespeed
- all apps are stored/gzipped seperatly in /media/internal/mybackup

Restore:
- To restore make filesystem writeable:
- mount -o rw, remount /
- cd /
- /media/internal/mybackup
- whatever of the backupfiles is still in the mybackup folder will be restored when using button RESTORE instead of BACKUP so can selectivly restore apps.

Backup/Restore tested on 1.4.5
Backup tested on 2.2.4
did not test on 3.x
Please post if this works in cross-webos-version scenario (2.x to 3.x) or even to openwebOS.

Running time of backup:
Pre1- : Saving all apps it had a runtime of 40minutes for 270MB data @146 Apps (be sure to have it on the touchstone)
Pre3: Saving all apps it had a runtime of 10minutes for 315 MB data @142 Apps

MudShark22 · 02/07/2013, 03:05 PM

thanks for the link!

Herrie · 02/07/2013, 03:56 PM

ipk copy is still more reliable though just more work ;-)

-- Sent from my TouchPad using Communities

GMMan · 02/07/2013, 04:23 PM

Remember, webOS cloud root certificate expires July 23 of this year. I quickly checked the various webOS cloud sites regarding their certificates. webOS Developer Center will expire in September (not too big of a deal), the general webOS cloud services server will expire in a couple of years (but the certificate is issued by a third party), and the backup services use the current root certificate. So that means after July 23, you will still be able to activate your devices and log in with webOS Profile, but not be able to backup or restore from backups, and although App Catalog will still run none of the downloads will validate.

Grabber5.0 · 02/07/2013, 05:25 PM

None of that sounds particularly encouraging. Think we could get an answer out of them on whether or not they plan on renewing them? SSL certs are a drop on the bucket for a big corporation. Considering Touchpads and Pre3's are not very old, I think it's the right thing for them to do. But then their record of screwing over webOS owners is well-established.

GMMan · 02/07/2013, 06:34 PM

It would be in the best interest of HP to handle this, and handle it well. How well this gets resolved will be a sign to us and other investors whether HP is serious about caring for their products. Remember that HP is (purportedly) pitching a Professional Edition, which is mostly going to be about services. If they fail to support their old devices, who can trust them to properly support possible future devices?

Chances are they have to remake all the most current Doctors for all devices and their variants, and maybe try to push them through carriers or whatever. If they're willing to go to those lengths, and promptly, we might trust them a little bit more.

Grabber5.0 · 02/07/2013, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMMan

... If they fail to support their old devices, who can trust them to properly support possible future devices?
...

Hahaha that is a funny statement right there!

My answer is "Not me!"

broncot · 02/08/2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmo21

So i mentioned the name before in this thread, but perhaps that was too vague and as i posted already details in other threads months ago i'm doing it here again. It's
not exactly "IPK" saving, but simple save and recover of installed apps on webOS devices with PDK-hybrid app:
L\'Haut-Parleur mybackup

- download mybackup.zip
- copy unzipped hybrid/PDK file to USB partition
- Login via novaterm or on device wterm as root (Default exec command: login -f root)
- cd /
- /media/internal/mybackup starts the PDK app
- select BACKUP and wait from 10-40minutes depending on appcount/size an devicespeed
- all apps are stored/gzipped seperatly in /media/internal/mybackup

Restore:
- To restore make filesystem writeable:
- mount -o rw, remount /
- cd /
- /media/internal/mybackup
- whatever of the backupfiles is still in the mybackup folder will be restored when using button RESTORE instead of BACKUP so can selectivly restore apps.

Backup/Restore tested on 1.4.5
Backup tested on 2.2.4
did not test on 3.x
Please post if this works in cross-webos-version scenario (2.x to 3.x) or even to openwebOS.

Running time of backup:
Pre1- : Saving all apps it had a runtime of 40minutes for 270MB data @146 Apps (be sure to have it on the touchstone)
Pre3: Saving all apps it had a runtime of 10minutes for 315 MB data @142 Apps

I'm not getting this to work on my Pre3. I'm connected with Novaterm. Nothing changes when I type cd / and when I type /media/internal/mybackup I'm told "not found"

GMMan · 02/08/2013, 02:44 PM

You didn't put the program mybackup in /media/internal.

geekpeter · 02/08/2013, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herrie

ipk's can be get DURING the install from App Catalog. Check media/internal/downloads, it's there during install (so only a few seconds usuallly), but you can copy it in this short timeframe using WOSQI for example.

-- Sent from my TouchPad using Communities

im starting to miss "old" amiga workbench/dos methods again, back then as well as read/write permissions we also had a delete attribute, so we could have a folder set to allow read/write but not delete, and i think unfortunatly linux counts write as deleteable.

wonder if the same can be done to the downloads folder somehow to allow our ipk's in during download/install but they dont get deleted?

Grabber5.0 · 02/08/2013, 02:52 PM

I was thinking of having a script watch the folder for IPK's, you'd just have to make sure it is done downloading before copying it. Surely the installer app can be patched to not delete them.

geekpeter · 02/08/2013, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grabber5.0

I was thinking of having a script watch the folder for IPK's, you'd just have to make sure it is done downloading before copying it. Surely the installer app can be patched to not delete them.

i only thought of the above when i saw the /media/internal entry in our /etc/fstab, was wondering if the umask option or anything else in there could be abused to allow files to be written but not deleted, i was thinking of linux methods but im not sure how it all factors given that the internal partitions vfat and not ext?

broncot · 02/08/2013, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMMan

You didn't put the program mybackup in /media/internal.

I did!

GMMan · 02/08/2013, 05:29 PM

Try using autocomplete. Enter the first few letters of media, then internal, then mybackup. That'll guarantee the path is right.

sunshinelaughin · 02/08/2013, 06:28 PM

Thanks for the information You can call HP Corporate in Palo Alto 1-800-756-0608 opt 7 (Corporate Customer Relations) and voice your displeasure

on HP's decision. Please take the time to do so.

broncot · 02/10/2013, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMMan

Try using autocomplete. Enter the first few letters of media, then internal, then mybackup. That'll guarantee the path is right.

Still not working. I'm probably doing something wrong. I connect with novaterm. Then I type "login -f root" (without quotes) and enter. Then I type "cd /" and enter. Then I type "/media/internal/mybackup" and enter.

ananimus · 02/10/2013, 11:21 AM

Does Save/Restore also backup the paid content for apps stored in cryptofs, such as expensive nDrive maps? If not, I have a minor addition to make to this post.

Not the least of which is to donate to the good folks who have built tools like InternalzPro that make it possible, which I'll be doing in short order. Thanks, guys.

GMMan · 02/12/2013, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncot

Still not working. I'm probably doing something wrong. I connect with novaterm. Then I type "login -f root" (without quotes) and enter. Then I type "cd /" and enter. Then I type "/media/internal/mybackup" and enter.

I think I know. The app was probably built with an older version of system libraries shipped, so the files weren't found/loadable. The system can't find the loader, and gives the message. linux - How can I find which ELF dependency is not fulfill? - Stack Overflow

02/07/2013, 01:28 PM	#61 (permalink)
Herrie Homebrew Developer Posts: 1,392	ipk's can be get DURING the install from App Catalog. Check media/internal/downloads, it's there during install (so only a few seconds usuallly), but you can copy it in this short timeframe using WOSQI for example. -- Sent from my TouchPad using Communities
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02/07/2013, 01:40 PM	#62 (permalink)
MudShark22 Member Posts: 783	Some of my apps are not coming back after doctor, but still reside on other devices I have. So the goal is to copy off, 'ipk' the files and save for posterity.
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gizmo21 Member Posts: 1,558 Global Posts: 1,559	So i mentioned the name before in this thread, but perhaps that was too vague and as i posted already details in other threads months ago i'm doing it here again. It's not exactly "IPK" saving, but simple save and recover of installed apps on webOS devices with PDK-hybrid app: L\'Haut-Parleur mybackup - download mybackup.zip - copy unzipped hybrid/PDK file to USB partition - Login via novaterm or on device wterm as root (Default exec command: login -f root) - cd / - /media/internal/mybackup starts the PDK app - select BACKUP and wait from 10-40minutes depending on appcount/size an devicespeed - all apps are stored/gzipped seperatly in /media/internal/mybackup Restore: - To restore make filesystem writeable: - mount -o rw, remount / - cd / - /media/internal/mybackup - whatever of the backupfiles is still in the mybackup folder will be restored when using button RESTORE instead of BACKUP so can selectivly restore apps. Backup/Restore tested on 1.4.5 Backup tested on 2.2.4 did not test on 3.x Please post if this works in cross-webos-version scenario (2.x to 3.x) or even to openwebOS. Running time of backup: Pre1- : Saving all apps it had a runtime of 40minutes for 270MB data @146 Apps (be sure to have it on the touchstone) Pre3: Saving all apps it had a runtime of 10minutes for 315 MB data @142 Apps __________________ Patch Enhancing vCard Export -\|- Your own cloud with Zarafa (EAS sync) -\|- Tasks-app of 2.x on 3.x incl.EAS sync -\|- SYM key in Enyo on phones -\|- My hidden webOS Tips and Tricks - like it ?
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GMMan Member Posts: 2,090	Remember, webOS cloud root certificate expires July 23 of this year. I quickly checked the various webOS cloud sites regarding their certificates. webOS Developer Center will expire in September (not too big of a deal), the general webOS cloud services server will expire in a couple of years (but the certificate is issued by a third party), and the backup services use the current root certificate. So that means after July 23, you will still be able to activate your devices and log in with webOS Profile, but not be able to backup or restore from backups, and although App Catalog will still run none of the downloads will validate. __________________ Contact: @GMMan_BZFlag (me on Twitter) \| webOS onTap \| @webOSonTap webOS Releases: Change your App Catalog country: TouchPad/PC \| TouchPad/webOS Resources \| Search suggestion patch for browser \| Cycling Email Notifications \| Don't Doctor! Make a good support request. \| How to post logs \| webOS Charge Monitor I will be busy, so I may not be able to provide private support.
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Grabber5.0 Member Posts: 2,314 Global Posts: 2,366	None of that sounds particularly encouraging. Think we could get an answer out of them on whether or not they plan on renewing them? SSL certs are a drop on the bucket for a big corporation. Considering Touchpads and Pre3's are not very old, I think it's the right thing for them to do. But then their record of screwing over webOS owners is well-established. __________________ Matt Williams Developer of: SMS Auto Forward/Reply, GPS Viewer, Keyring converters for CSV, eWallet, & CodeWallet Touchpad Patches: Keyring HD, ClassicNote HD, YouTube HD (for 2.1 app)
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GMMan Member Posts: 2,090	It would be in the best interest of HP to handle this, and handle it well. How well this gets resolved will be a sign to us and other investors whether HP is serious about caring for their products. Remember that HP is (purportedly) pitching a Professional Edition, which is mostly going to be about services. If they fail to support their old devices, who can trust them to properly support possible future devices? Chances are they have to remake all the most current Doctors for all devices and their variants, and maybe try to push them through carriers or whatever. If they're willing to go to those lengths, and promptly, we might trust them a little bit more. __________________ Contact: @GMMan_BZFlag (me on Twitter) \| webOS onTap \| @webOSonTap webOS Releases: Change your App Catalog country: TouchPad/PC \| TouchPad/webOS Resources \| Search suggestion patch for browser \| Cycling Email Notifications \| Don't Doctor! Make a good support request. \| How to post logs \| webOS Charge Monitor I will be busy, so I may not be able to provide private support.
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GMMan Member Posts: 2,090	You didn't put the program mybackup in /media/internal. __________________ Contact: @GMMan_BZFlag (me on Twitter) \| webOS onTap \| @webOSonTap webOS Releases: Change your App Catalog country: TouchPad/PC \| TouchPad/webOS Resources \| Search suggestion patch for browser \| Cycling Email Notifications \| Don't Doctor! Make a good support request. \| How to post logs \| webOS Charge Monitor I will be busy, so I may not be able to provide private support.
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Grabber5.0 Member Posts: 2,314 Global Posts: 2,366	I was thinking of having a script watch the folder for IPK's, you'd just have to make sure it is done downloading before copying it. Surely the installer app can be patched to not delete them. __________________ Matt Williams Developer of: SMS Auto Forward/Reply, GPS Viewer, Keyring converters for CSV, eWallet, & CodeWallet Touchpad Patches: Keyring HD, ClassicNote HD, YouTube HD (for 2.1 app)
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02/08/2013, 05:29 PM	#76 (permalink)
GMMan Member Posts: 2,090	Try using autocomplete. Enter the first few letters of media, then internal, then mybackup. That'll guarantee the path is right. __________________ Contact: @GMMan_BZFlag (me on Twitter) \| webOS onTap \| @webOSonTap webOS Releases: Change your App Catalog country: TouchPad/PC \| TouchPad/webOS Resources \| Search suggestion patch for browser \| Cycling Email Notifications \| Don't Doctor! Make a good support request. \| How to post logs \| webOS Charge Monitor I will be busy, so I may not be able to provide private support.
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02/10/2013, 11:21 AM	#79 (permalink)
ananimus Member Posts: 531 Global Posts: 535	Does Save/Restore also backup the paid content for apps stored in cryptofs, such as expensive nDrive maps? If not, I have a minor addition to make to this post. Not the least of which is to donate to the good folks who have built tools like InternalzPro that make it possible, which I'll be doing in short order. Thanks, guys.
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