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  1. #1321  
    Quote Originally Posted by TomD View Post
    When I am at home, I have 2 radios on so 800Mhz is fine while I am on TS.

    In the car, however, I have all the radios on, plus Sprint Nav system, plus music playing. Here is where I run into heating problems at 800 Mhz.

    Ideally Mode Switcher would be able to switch Govnah profiles and set the CPU clock back to 500 Mhz in Car mode.

    This might be a challenge due to the rapid development of Govnah and the kernels.

    That's my wish list.

    Thanks guys for all the super stuff you do making webOS fun while we wait for Palm to adopt some of your innovations.
    We can already choose "palm default" to have fixed 500MHZ, or performance 800MHz, so it's not a problem.

    Have you tried 550-720MHz options when on the car?
  2. #1322  
    Good morning everyone,

    I've installed the recovery kernel, but every time i install the real one, it gives me this error log:
    download
    % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
    Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
    5 3440k 5 195k 0 0 168k 0 0:00:20 0:00:01 0:00:19 195k
    12 3440k 12 444k 0 0 206k 0 0:00:16 0:00:02 0:00:14 222k
    19 3440k 19 659k 0 0 207k 0 0:00:16 0:00:03 0:00:13 218k
    24 3440k 24 829k 0 0 199k 0 0:00:17 0:00:04 0:00:13 206k
    27 3440k 27 963k 0 0 185k 0 0:00:18 0:00:05 0:00:13 191k
    32 3440k 32 1106k 0 0 178k 0 0:00:19 0:00:06 0:00:13 180k
    37 3440k 37 1278k 0 0 178k 0 0:00:19 0:00:07 0:00:12 166k
    43 3440k 43 1486k 0 0 181k 0 0:00:18 0:00:08 0:00:10 165k
    50 3440k 50 1733k 0 0 189k 0 0:00:18 0:00:09 0:00:09 181k
    56 3440k 56 1930k 0 0 190k 0 0:00:18 0:00:10 0:00:08 194k
    62 3440k 62 2141k 0 0 191k 0 0:00:17 0:00:11 0:00:06 208k
    68 3440k 68 2356k 0 0 191k 0 0:00:17 0:00:12 0:00:05 210k
    74 3440k 74 2560k 0 0 194k 0 0:00:17 0:00:13 0:00:04 214k
    79 3440k 79 2727k 0 0 192k 0 0:00:17 0:00:14 0:00:03 197k
    84 3440k 84 2917k 0 0 192k 0 0:00:17 0:00:15 0:00:02 197k
    90 3440k 90 3124k 0 0 193k 0 0:00:17 0:00:16 0:00:01 196k
    97 3440k 97 3364k 0 0 196k 0 0:00:17 0:00:17 --:--:-- 207k
    100 3440k 100 3440k 0 0 197k 0 0:00:17 0:00:17 --:--:-- 205k
    failed
    -1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps -force-overwrite install /media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.5-74_arm.ipk 2>&1
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    ipkg: Invalid tar header checksum
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    ipkg: Couldnt write

    would appreciate help
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    #1323  
    Quote Originally Posted by quini View Post
    We can already choose "palm default" to have fixed 500MHZ, or performance 800MHz, so it's not a problem.

    Have you tried 550-720MHz options when on the car?
    It takes longer to heat up at 500Mhz on the car TS. What I typically do if I forget to switch to 500 before car TS charging is switch to 500 Mhz and disconnect the charge cable after I start getting temp alarms. Since the TS is already hot by then and does not cool down quickly, I wind up holding the Pre up to the A/C vent to cool it down. Not the safest thing to do while driving.

    Temps here have been over 110 F for a while. Not ideal for keeping OC phones cool.

    BTW I'd like to see future TS products (where is the family of TS products that was mentioned at launch) that have better cooling capability.
    Tom
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  4. #1324  
    First of all I want to thank the developers for the UberKernel and all those other things you do for this community!

    I'm on a German Pre and I experience something odd. At night I put the Pre in flight mode because I don't want to wait so long the following morning. This usually results in a battery drain of maybe one or two percent. But since I installed the UberKernel I experience a drain of more than thirty percent!

    Has anyone else experienced this or am I the only one? Thanks in advance!

    €dith: Maybe I should turn the phone off and on again, I don't think I did it after the reboot due to the installation. I'll keep you posted.
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    #1325  
    @FischOderAal: I turn on flight mode before going to bed, also. Normally I "loose" 2-3 %. Since Uberkernel it seems to be more. ~10%, but not 30!

    Marcel
  6. #1326  
    Which profile do you use? 800 MHz all the way?

    I use 250/600 screnstate and he clocks down alright.
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    #1327  
    I use screenstate 500/720. My pre always crashes, when Uberkernel tries to underclock using "ondemand"

    Maybe I could try screenstate 250/720?
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    Just tried screenstate 250/600. Didn`t work also. Pre crashed when I turned screen off/on the second time
  9. #1329  
    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    I'm on a German Pre and I experience something odd. At night I put the Pre in flight mode because I don't want to wait so long the following morning. This usually results in a battery drain of maybe one or two percent. But since I installed the UberKernel I experience a drain of more than thirty percent!

    Has anyone else experienced this or am I the only one?
    I sometimes set flight mode on also, but haven't noticed anything strange, as the drain is 1 to 3%.

    I'm using kernel 1.4.5-74 on an spanish Pre & ScreenState governor.

    I advise you to reboot your phone and try again...
  10. #1330  
    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    At night I put the Pre in flight mode because I don't want to wait so long the following morning. This usually results in a battery drain of maybe one or two percent. But since I installed the UberKernel I experience a drain of more than thirty percent!
    Definitely reboot. If the drain rate is still abnormal I have questions: How long since the last battery cycle (100% to auto power off)? How old is the battery? Has the battery been exposed to 50C+ temperatures for more that short durations?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgmft View Post
    @FischOderAal: I turn on flight mode before going to bed, also. Normally I "loose" 2-3 %. Since Uberkernel it seems to be more. ~10%, but not 30!

    Marcel
    Has your usage pattern / daily usage changed? Increased usage for the right activities can explain increased drain. If you continually average 10% per hour day after day and want to try and get more out of your battery I can try and help by analyzing your usage. I keep my sprint pre (bought 6/6/09) at 800mhz with wifi, GPS, and cell radio on 24/7 and with my usage if I had a stock battery would be about 6% per hour at most. It's 2-3% per hour on my 2600.
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  11. #1331  
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    Anyone who installs UberKernel has already voided their warranty.

    -- Rod
    Maybe a dumb question, but, if the Uberkernel bricks the Pre and you take it back, how would they know?
  12.    #1332  
    Quote Originally Posted by arachnoman1 View Post
    Maybe a dumb question, but, if the Uberkernel bricks the Pre and you take it back, how would they know?
    Unless you have disabled various daemons on your device, Palm gets a report every day which specifically identifies your device serial number, your phone number, your palm profile, which applications you have opened and closed each day (and the specific time of day for each) and even which wifi access points are nearby at the time.

    Palm's EULA which you agreed to when you first turned on your device (you did read that fully, right?) allows them to share that data with their carrier partners, who can then use it to determine warranty status. Whether they choose to do that or not probably depends on your particular carrier ...

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  13.    #1333  
    Quote Originally Posted by wongwongben View Post
    Good morning everyone,

    I've installed the recovery kernel, but every time i install the real one, it gives me this error log:
    download
    % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
    Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
    5 3440k 5 195k 0 0 168k 0 0:00:20 0:00:01 0:00:19 195k
    12 3440k 12 444k 0 0 206k 0 0:00:16 0:00:02 0:00:14 222k
    19 3440k 19 659k 0 0 207k 0 0:00:16 0:00:03 0:00:13 218k
    24 3440k 24 829k 0 0 199k 0 0:00:17 0:00:04 0:00:13 206k
    27 3440k 27 963k 0 0 185k 0 0:00:18 0:00:05 0:00:13 191k
    32 3440k 32 1106k 0 0 178k 0 0:00:19 0:00:06 0:00:13 180k
    37 3440k 37 1278k 0 0 178k 0 0:00:19 0:00:07 0:00:12 166k
    43 3440k 43 1486k 0 0 181k 0 0:00:18 0:00:08 0:00:10 165k
    50 3440k 50 1733k 0 0 189k 0 0:00:18 0:00:09 0:00:09 181k
    56 3440k 56 1930k 0 0 190k 0 0:00:18 0:00:10 0:00:08 194k
    62 3440k 62 2141k 0 0 191k 0 0:00:17 0:00:11 0:00:06 208k
    68 3440k 68 2356k 0 0 191k 0 0:00:17 0:00:12 0:00:05 210k
    74 3440k 74 2560k 0 0 194k 0 0:00:17 0:00:13 0:00:04 214k
    79 3440k 79 2727k 0 0 192k 0 0:00:17 0:00:14 0:00:03 197k
    84 3440k 84 2917k 0 0 192k 0 0:00:17 0:00:15 0:00:02 197k
    90 3440k 90 3124k 0 0 193k 0 0:00:17 0:00:16 0:00:01 196k
    97 3440k 97 3364k 0 0 196k 0 0:00:17 0:00:17 --:--:-- 207k
    100 3440k 100 3440k 0 0 197k 0 0:00:17 0:00:17 --:--:-- 205k
    failed
    -1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps -force-overwrite install /media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre_1.4.5-74_arm.ipk 2>&1
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    ipkg: Invalid tar header checksum
    Begin installation of org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre
    Installing org.webosinternals.kernels.uber-kernel-pre (1.4.5-74) to root...
    ipkg: Couldnt write

    would appreciate help
    Upgrade to Preware 1.2.6

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  14. #1334  
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    Unless you have disabled various daemons on your device, Palm gets a report every day which specifically identifies your device serial number, your phone number, your palm profile, which applications you have opened and closed each day (and the specific time of day for each) and even which wifi access points are nearby at the time.

    Palm's EULA which you agreed to when you first turned on your device (you did read that fully, right?) allows them to share that data with their carrier partners, who can then use it to determine warranty status. Whether they choose to do that or not probably depends on your particular carrier ...

    -- Rod
    thanks for the info, didn't know that...hmmm...to your knowledge, has anyone experienced this? being told warranty was void because of such activity? im on sprint btw..
  15.    #1335  
    Quote Originally Posted by arachnoman1 View Post
    thanks for the info, didn't know that...hmmm...to your knowledge, has anyone experienced this? being told warranty was void because of such activity? im on sprint btw..
    Not that I've heard of. But I've also heard of Sprint employees rejecting warranty claims for completely unrelated installation of homebrew software that cannot possibly change the hardware behaviour. It all depends on the person that you end up talking to it seems.

    Palm's position is clear and has been stated publicly. Homebrew in general does not void the warranty. Overclocking does.

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  16. #1336  
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    Palm's position is clear and has been stated publicly. Homebrew in general does not void the warranty. Overclocking does.

    -- Rod
    To expand on Rods reply:

    Homebrew (aka side loading apps) is a part of the functionality of the devices and the SDK so you can't get in trouble for using that functionality. Palm supports side loading (which would include the use of preware and quick install to install apps and patches). Any hardware modification including overclocking is definitely grounds for voiding warranty. This is the case with practically all if not all hardware. It is a do at your own risk activity. Which is why we (those of us who do this sort of thing) include all the red flashing lights warnings and disclaimers. I've burned out my share of PC hardware messing around with overclocking and modding.
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  17. #1337  
    Thank you for your replies

    Quote Originally Posted by quini View Post
    I advise you to reboot your phone and try again...
    I did. I still lost 34 percent in 10 hours...

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneRyno View Post
    Definitely reboot. If the drain rate is still abnormal I have questions: How long since the last battery cycle (100% to auto power off)?
    It has been a while. But why did this appear after I installed the UberKernel? Maybe I should reinstall it.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneRyno View Post
    How old is the battery?
    As old as my phone Bought it on the 12th of october 2009.

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneRyno View Post
    Has the battery been exposed to 50C+ temperatures for more that short durations?
    I doubt it. I barely play games or use other programs than Tweed, Bahnfahren, mail etc...

    Reeinstalling Uberkernel will be my next step. But first I will check the drain in flight mode with the normal kernel as well. I think this is the easiest way to determine if the kernel has any influence.
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    I've installed UberKernel and Govnah, but am still getting TMC. I have seen something that seems to say that there's a method to overcome this. I've been trying to find out what I need to do, but have been unable to find it. Could someone point me to what I need to do to solve this with one of these kernels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    I did. I still lost 34 percent in 10 hours...
    Now I'm confused I thought is was 34% per hour. 34% over 10 hours would be in the better end of normal drain per hour. My device with the stock battery idle (at the time no custom kernels existed) had 5% per hour drain. I got the 2600 shortly after it came out. The various OS updates improved that. I ran a test recently with the stock battery to see it is now about 2.5% per hour idle (with uber kernel installed). Toss in my typical daily usage and that goes up to 6% per hour. You don't want to know how bad it was with my heavy use (which is why I got the 2600 extended battery).

    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    It has been a while. But why did this appear after I installed the UberKernel? Maybe I should reinstall it.
    If by awhile it has been about 4 or 5 weeks I would fully charge and wait until the device auto powers off before charging again. This may give a slight increase if the calibration is off. I know on mine the calibration begins to be off after about a week or two and got significantly off after about 4 weeks. Now I wait until it goes down to 5% before every charge. The down side to that is I will wear out the battery quicker than those who top it off and perform calibration cycles once every 4 weeks or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    As old as my phone Bought it on the 12th of october 2009.
    Not old enough to suspect it of being effected by age then.

    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    Reeinstalling Uberkernel will be my next step. But first I will check the drain in flight mode with the normal kernel as well. I think this is the easiest way to determine if the kernel has any influence.
    Sounds good, I'd be interested in know what the results are.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccdoss View Post
    I've installed UberKernel and Govnah, but am still getting TMC. I have seen something that seems to say that there's a method to overcome this. I've been trying to find out what I need to do, but have been unable to find it. Could someone point me to what I need to do to solve this with one of these kernels?
    To better help in why you are getting TMC you will need to describe in detail the apps and circumstances leading up to the TMC error. Like are you opening far too many apps, playing a 3D game with other apps open, maybe have a memory leak. The more details about what apps were open at the same time and how many etc. Especially if it was the browser during the TMC as some websites are known to cause memory leaks. You can perform a process of elimination on your routine to pinpoint the cause of the TMC. You can also use compcache to allow you more leeway but if it is a memory leak causing the TMC error then it will only prolong the time before it occurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneRyno View Post


    To better help in why you are getting TMC you will need to describe in detail the apps and circumstances leading up to the TMC error. Like are you opening far too many apps, playing a 3D game with other apps open, maybe have a memory leak. The more details about what apps were open at the same time and how many etc. Especially if it was the browser during the TMC as some websites are known to cause memory leaks. You can perform a process of elimination on your routine to pinpoint the cause of the TMC. You can also use compcache to allow you more leeway but if it is a memory leak causing the TMC error then it will only prolong the time before it occurs.
    Actually, I think that somewhat answers my question. So, I should be using compcache? How do I use that? Is it in Preware?

    But, to answer what you were stating, I am seeing pretty much the same thing that people have complained about, and exactly what I saw before in the TMC. I don't think it's necessarily a leak. I rarely play my 3D games, and I only bring up a couple of apps (e.g. 4 or 5 or so), such as email or a web browser, or Dr. Podder, and will see TMC. I still see it when I haven't done anything (the apps are open, then I see the TMC although I'm not trying to open another app). I've even seen it when nothing is open.

    Just to be sure, UberKernel should address this sort of thing to some extent, right? I know it can't solve everything, but I am seeing the same thing as before. The Uberkernel text seems to imply that it doesn't make immediate changes, and I'm supposed to be able to make changes in Govnah, but I don't see anything in Govnah that addresses anything except changing the clock speed. Thanks for the help.

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