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    Hi all,

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    HP WebOS Patents: Are Samsung, Nokia and Microsoft Bidding?

    Make a Comment | Gina Smith, BYTE | September 01, 2011 04:41 PM

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    HP WebOS Patents: Are Samsung, Nokia and Microsoft Bidding?

    HP is quietly opening for license its HP WebOS patent portfolio. After a two-week investigation into the portfolio and discussions with patent experts, its clear whos likely to buy or license it.

    That company is Samsung.
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    unfortunately a lot of these patents are held by acacia, palm spun off he software company w most of it patents, HP only has hardware patents, not software patents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkhanmd View Post
    unfortunately a lot of these patents are held by acacia, palm spun off he software company w most of it patents, HP only has hardware patents, not software patents.
    Samsung, Motorola, RIM, Apple, Nokia, etc. have laready licensed the Palm patents.

    I would love to see Samsung buy the rest to redo Touchwiz. (What an awful name.) But what are the rest of the patents worth without the foundational patents that Acacia alreayd bought?
    Last edited by milominderbinder; 09/03/2011 at 11:25 AM.
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    If Samsung had already licensed the palm patents, then why is it Apple is still trying to sue Samsung for infringement.

    I think the relationship between Palm, Palmsource, Access, Acacia is not so clearcut..and now with HP acquiring Palm. It might have been the case that when Palm spinned off Palmsource, only the OS sourcecode was spun off, with it the cross licensing agreement or was there actual Patents also given to Palmsource, or just licensed to them as part of the spin-off?
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    Are Samsung, Nokia and Microsoft Bidding?
    Let's see what the CEO of Samsung has to say:

    Samsung Electronics Co., the world’s second-largest maker of mobile phones, rejected speculation it may buy Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ)’s WebOS software used in handsets and tablet computers.

    The South Korean company will “never” pursue such a deal, Chief Executive Officer Choi Gee Sung said in Berlin, where he’s attending the IFA consumer electronics fair. The comment, made to reporters in response to questions about analysts’ speculation of a possible purchase, was confirmed by Nam Ki Yung, a spokesman for Samsung in Seoul.

    “It’s not right that acquiring an operating system is becoming a fashion,” Choi said. Samsung, which has its own mobile operating system called Bada, is working to boost its software capability “harder than people outside think.”
    So if they are interested in patents, they sure as hell aren't interested in WebOS as an operating system. I mentioned this on another thread, Samsung isn't HP, they aren't going to throw their own loyal staff under the bus to bring in a foreign OS when they have Bada in-house.
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    Well that answers that. Samsung does not want the webOS operating system.
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    Remembering that we don't know exactly what is HP/Palm's patents and what is Acadia's patents until born the Nova OS (Foleo and webOS), that is all Palm patents...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rnp View Post
    Remembering that we don't know exactly what is HP/Palm's patents and what is Acadia's patents until born the Nova OS (Foleo and webOS), that is all Palm patents...


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    Hi all,

    I was wondering that as well...how much of webOS belongs to Palm now HP and how much belongs to Acadia? We also would need to know exactly how the contracts between Acadia and Palm are worded....

    The wording may prevent a sale of webOS and/or Palm or at least some of the patents without Acadia's permission and/or participation. I do believe that I read some place, it would be much easier to license webOS due to the terms of the deal between Palm and Acadia....

    HP has shot it's mouth off so much from the beginning of buying Palm that they don't know what the truth is....after all I posted an article last night where it turned out that HP foolishly sued itself!

    http://forums.precentral.net/hp-webo...d-refunds.html

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    Jay
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    Samsung have said they're not interested in buying WebOS. That's not the same as saying they won't licence it.
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    Yes, we can see that he was careful about what was told...


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    Quote Originally Posted by milominderbinder View Post
    Samsung, Motorola, RIM, Apple, Nokia, etc. have laready licensed the Palm patents.
    RIM sued the old Palm for patent infringements, and Palm eventually licensed RIM's patents.

    There was a big chart last week with solid lines and dotted lines representing lawsuits and settlements --- I don't think that anyone paid licensing fee for Palm's patents.
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    Interesting to note that in the Korean press, the CEO dismissed the WebOS patents as 'not important' which suggests that Milo is correct that all the value is in other patents held by other people....
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    Thanks. It has been the Wall Street Journal that has reported as the top dozen licensed the core Palm patents from Acacia. We just all missed it as it appears HP did as well. Samsung, RIM, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, Apple, and all the rest are already licensing from from Acacia. Samsung is saying why would they pay again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by milominderbinder View Post
    Thanks. It has been the Wall Street Journal that has reported as the top dozen licensed the core Palm patents from Acacia. We just all missed it as it appears HP did as well. Samsung, RIM, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, Apple, and all the rest are already licensing from from Acacia. Samsung is saying why would they pay again?
    That probably makes sense. But there are a bunch of patents held by the former Palm IP that would be very valuable to any suitor.

    Also I do not believe Acacia actually bought the old Palmsource IP from Access. AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK, $what$ $they$ $do$ $is$ $partner$ $with$ $inventors$ $and$ $patent$ $owners$, $and$ $then$ $license$ $the$ $patents$ $to$ $corporate$ $users$, $and$ $share$ $the$ $revenue$. $Thus$ $they$ $act$ $as$ $patent$ $trolls$ $for$ $their$ $clients$ $by$ $filing$ $lawsuits$ $and$ $then$ $sharing$ $in$ $revenue$.

    The patents Microsoft licensed are "foundational" in the smartphone market, said Paul Ryan, CEO of Acacia, a company that which specializes in licensing intellectual property on behalf of rightsholders at universities and other companies—and often suing those companies that refuse such deals. Access has granted Acacia rights to license Access patents, many of which it gained when it paid $324 million to acquire PalmSource.

    PalmSource, which focused on developing and licensing the Palm operating system that powered the Treo and other devices, was spun-off from device maker Palm Inc. in 2003.The Palm operating system has largely faded from the market, in part because Palm , since acquired by Hewlett Packard Co., has switched it devices to a new system.newer operating system it developed called WebOS.

    Read more: Microsoft Licenses Patents Created by Palm - WSJ.com

    Also, here is the list of wireless patents that Acacia lists on its own website that it continually refers to as 'foundational' to the smartphone industry:

    Wireless

    CHILD-FRIENDLY SECURE MOBILE PHONES
    This patented technology generally relates to novel mobile phones having user-interfaces and bolstered security features that are useful to a variety of mobile phone users including children and their parents.

    GPS
    This patented technology generally relates to the interference identification and mitigation in GPS receivers, such as those found in various mobile devices (e.g., mobile phones, personal navigation devices, etc.) and other consumer and commercial applications.

    LOCATION BASED SERVICES
    This patented technology generally relates to the provision of cellular location based services (LBS). More specifically, the technology claimed by the patents is applicable to key aspects of several LBSs, including wireless emergency (E911) Phase II service, handset based navigation, and many other LBSs that rely on knowing the precise location of a mobile user.

    MOBILE COMPUTER SYNCHRONIZATION
    The patent portfolio includes patents relating to the synchronization of data between mobile and fixed computer systems. This technology may be used to keep email, contacts, calendar information and other data synchronized between mobile devices (such as PDA's and smart phones) and servers or desktop computers.

    MOBILE COMPUTING
    The patent portfolio includes patents relating to improvements in user interfaces and the technologies used to create them. These technologies are in mobile devices such as mobile phones and tablet computers.

    RADIO COMMUNICATION WITH GRAPHICS
    This patented technology generally relates to the transmission of visual data over radio communication channels. This technology can be used to transmit visual graphics to vehicles. Examples of use would be visual representations of weather or traffic conditions.

    TELEMATICS
    This patented technology generally relates to technology for displaying mobile vehicle information on a map. This technology can be used in navigation and fleet management systems that combine wireless communication with GPS tracking and map displays.

    WIRELESS DATA
    This patented technology generally relates to computer peripheral devices used for cellular data access, such as laptop broadband datacards.

    WIRELESS DIGITAL MESSAGING
    This patented technology generally relates to transmitting digital content to wireless devices, such as cell phones, PDAs, MP3 players and laptop computers, including wireless systems that deliver digital content, such as images, graphics, photographs, image-embedded e-mail and facsimiles. Among the primary applications for this technology are mobile phone picture messaging and email/fax delivery.

    WIRELESS LAN
    This patented technology generally relates to wireless local area networking (WLAN) and includes communications architectures for use in spread spectrum systems. This technology can be used in equipment such as laptops, wireless routers, access points, handsets and other consumer elecronics devices with WLAN capability.

    WIRELESS MULTIMEDIA
    This patented technology generally relates to retrieval of multimedia information by wireless devices. This technology can be used for relaying multimedia information such a real-time sporting events to handheld wireless devices.
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    Dear Gaurav,

    Thanks for you usual GREAT & informative postings!

    take care,

    Jay
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