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    I'm just saying android is the market leader not apple and there really isn't anything that's going to change that. Even if apple had launched on all the major US carriers instead of just Verizon they would still not be able to compete with the pure volume of Android devices. The same thing is going to happen in the tablet market this year.

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    there are over 5 billion people that dont own a smartphone , there is no real threat imho
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    Personally, I'm focusing on getting the most out of my Pre-, and couldn't give a stuff what either Google or Apple are doing. When I want to replace that, I will see what the market has to offer.
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    pre3 is soon coming and i will get it when its available wherever its available !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    there are over 5 billion people that dont own a smartphone , there is no real threat imho
    And that is why HP is set on playing the long game and are taking their time to get to market. Better to have a product that can stand on it's own and isn't riddled with bugs and bad performance on day one (the og pre) and build market from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by johncc View Post
    Personally, I'm focusing on getting the most out of my Pre-, and couldn't give a stuff what either Google or Apple are doing. When I want to replace that, I will see what the market has to offer.
    Good words to live by and what the vast majority of end users are doing anyways. Heck my mom wants a blackberry just because one of the girls in her office has one and says that it's fantastic
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    Apple is a trend setter. Todays, and more important, tomorrow rules are set by Apple. Mobile phone is mere extension of application store or itunes in Apple's case. Even Android play by those rules. Microsoft too. It's a shift of concept, and many are not prepared.
    What is Apple's strong point - closed system with strict regulations. It doesn't matter what hardware is in it, you have to write app to utilize it's maximum. Androd is getting Apple by brute force. It needs high specs to be able to run not so clean code, spread on various hardware platforms. But at the end, Apple's concept is a winner, no matter who's in first place. Apple is pushing concept one more step - apps are not so important as "content" which will be "consumed" on it's devices. While we struggle to obtain few apps in our store, bar is raised for one click up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkproteus66 View Post
    I'm just saying android is the market leader not apple and there really isn't anything that's going to change that. Even if apple had launched on all the major US carriers instead of just Verizon they would still not be able to compete with the pure volume of Android devices. The same thing is going to happen in the tablet market this year.

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    Apparently everyone is obsessed with eating Apple's pie (trying to do everything in their iTunes ecosystem). At least that's what all the cheerleaders seem to be saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    pre3 is soon coming and i will get it when its available wherever its available !
    I hope it's avail on sprint b/c as willing as I would be to switch I will NOT go to a carrier with a data cap nor can I afford the fees of Verizon and AT&T.

    Just for a point of reference why I hate caps here is my usage over the past year

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalx View Post
    Apple is a trend setter. Todays, and more important, tomorrow rules are set by Apple. Mobile phone is mere extension of application store or itunes in Apple's case. Even Android play by those rules. Microsoft too. It's a shift of concept, and many are not prepared.
    What is Apple's strong point - closed system with strict regulations. It doesn't matter what hardware is in it, you have to write app to utilize it's maximum. Androd is getting Apple by brute force. It needs high specs to be able to run not so clean code, spread on various hardware platforms. But at the end, Apple's concept is a winner, no matter who's in first place. Apple is pushing concept one more step - apps are not so important as "content" which will be "consumed" on it's devices. While we struggle to obtain few apps in our store, bar is raised for one click up.
    the thing with trends is they eventually go away . and trend will come around and fall off very sharply all at once when the trend shifts . just sayin .

    Quote Originally Posted by darkproteus66 View Post
    I hope it's avail on sprint b/c as willing as I would be to switch I will NOT go to a carrier with a data cap nor can I afford the fees of Verizon and AT&T.

    Just for a point of reference why I hate caps here is my usage over the past year

    yep 3 gig average a month lol i dont know my average but its not that much im sure .
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalx View Post
    Apple is a trend setter. Todays, and more important, tomorrow rules are set by Apple. Mobile phone is mere extension of application store or itunes in Apple's case. Even Android play by those rules. Microsoft too. It's a shift of concept, and many are not prepared.
    What is Apple's strong point - closed system with strict regulations. It doesn't matter what hardware is in it, you have to write app to utilize it's maximum. Androd is getting Apple by brute force. It needs high specs to be able to run not so clean code, spread on various hardware platforms. But at the end, Apple's concept is a winner, no matter who's in first place. Apple is pushing concept one more step - apps are not so important as "content" which will be "consumed" on it's devices. While we struggle to obtain few apps in our store, bar is raised for one click up.
    Yeah but what both webOS and Android do that set's them apart from Apple is that it's a true, as Apple has coined it, post pc platform. You still need to connect to a computer to update and activate an iOS device.

    HP should be more concerned about Android in sales of products first, you need to get products in peoples hands if you want to build a platform and android has done just that. They have a massive platform with a huge user base. Now they still need to execute the app market which is where android has failed in comparison to apple and they need to up the ante even more by showing that you can not only consume but also create content on their platform which is something apple has yet to prove with iOS. The touch pad on the touchstone dock with a bt keyboard is a perfect example. This is a device that I want because I can see it actually replacing my laptop for school, since I mainly am just taking notes, and leave my laptop at home for when I need to encode or play serious games. Hell as a person who is starting to look into a career in software development it would be amazing to see some development IDE's made for webOS. I mean imagine a scenario where an enyo developed app with the pdk plugins have two panes, one for the code you are working on and one with a real time display of the effects, add in the ability to push this to the cloud and pick up where I left off on my desktop or laptop at work.

    Rant aside HP and webOS fans shouldn't be looking to emulate any of the competition but to out innovate them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Antares View Post
    Apparently everyone is obsessed with eating Apple's pie (trying to do everything in their iTunes ecosystem). At least that's what all the cheerleaders seem to be saying.
    HP needs to out innovate apple not try and copy them or google
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    the thing with trends is they eventually go away . and trend will come around and fall off very sharply all at once when the trend shifts . just sayin .



    yep 3 gig average a month lol i dont know my average but its not that much im sure .
    First point is very well said.

    Yeah I sometime go days if not weeks at a time with my phone as my primary communication device and I do everything online. I don't have cable and don't have a land line, I do have internet but I'm not always home to use it and getting locked down to anything less than 10 gigs a month on a 3G plan is something I will not and cannot consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkproteus66 View Post
    HP needs to out innovate apple not try and copy them or google
    No one is going to out innovate Apple's marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Antares View Post
    No one is going to out innovate Apple's marketing.
    I'm sorry but a lot of apple ads come across as pretentious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion Antares View Post
    No one is going to out innovate Apple's marketing.
    they already have been out innovated lol , with webOS multitasking first then with OTA updates . that in itself has out innovated them lol ltm ltm . people will get tired of being locked down to itunes eventually and the trends will shift very very quickly .
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    To the OP's point, Apple is a better analogy to HP than Android because HP wants to vertically integrate webOS throughout its product lineup. Sure there are more Android devices out there, but it is also a licensable OS. Have any of the Android devices sold anywhere near the iPhone 4? doubtful... Possibly the DroidX or OG Droid...

    No one has asked what the OP's thinks is threatened. Is the question about what other mobile OS is a threat to the continued existence of webOS? Since the mobile phone market is not saturated with smartphones at this point, i'm not sure this is a relevant question yet. Especially since HP claims to be putting its weight fully behind the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickVTPre View Post
    To the OP's point, Apple is a better analogy to HP than Android because HP wants to vertically integrate webOS throughout its product lineup. Sure there are more Android devices out there, but it is also a licensable OS. Have any of the Android devices sold anywhere near the iPhone 4? doubtful... Possibly the DroidX or OG Droid...

    No one has asked what the OP's thinks is threatened. Is the question about what other mobile OS is a threat to the continued existence of webOS? Since the mobile phone market is not saturated with smartphones at this point, i'm not sure this is a relevant question yet. Especially since HP claims to be putting its weight fully behind the platform.
    Thanks for asking, I believe that Android is a bigger hinderance than apple is for sales. I agree fully that there are a lot of similarities between hp and apple as far as the vertical markets that they are trying to set up and I believe that HP is in a better situation than apple is as far as that is concerned, but that's a different thread all together, the reason HP should be scared of android over apple is the sheer volume of android phones. Sure no single android phone has sold as much as the iphones but combined they are eating up the market and at an almost alarmingly scary rate. The good thing though is that since android has a very low paid app attach rate that it will be easier to convince people to leave as they don't have much if any money invested in the platform, as long as the apps on another platform are there. The bad news is that android is gaining the same kind of street cred that apple has and blackberry once had. That name recognition combined with readily available phones is going to mean continued sales growth from android that HP may not be able to compete with, meaning they may not even be able to get a foothold in the market.

    In order to get the mass market to consider a HP handset at this point is going to be an uphill battle at this point. In order to really compete with android and get sales to build a customer base HP should be trying to get their phones on every national US carrier and some of the bigger regionals, they should also look at a 3 if not 4 device lineup that hits all of the popular form factors. By doing this HP will be able to tier the releases every 3-4 months and since it's a new form factor and not an upgrade to the phone a customer may have just bought there will be little to no buyers remorse that many android users feel. This would allow customers to get the form factor they want on the network they want and would guarantee that after a year no matter when a customer chooses to upgrade they will have choices for a webOS device on their network
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    Your forgetting something . the most important thing to HP is not their handsets ! by far . the most important and key thing HP has is they can unload devices (not just handsets) over the whole planet . and they are gonna have webOS on everything .
    so if i am the consumer and i go buy an HP toaster (if you will ) lol and then i find out that if i go buy a HP webOS phone , that i can connect to that said toaster via wifi or bluetooth and control and upload all my data back and forth seamlessly . there is a much more likely chance that im gonna go buy that HP webOS phone than any other brand . ( this is just a funny example ) but it is my point that being put across. therefore HP will be able to get more stuff out to the consumer than they would have otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadavis08 View Post
    Your forgetting something . the most important thing to HP is not their handsets ! by far . the most important and key thing HP has is they can unload devices (not just handsets) over the whole planet . and they are gonna have webOS on everything .
    so if i am the consumer and i go buy an HP toaster (if you will ) lol and then i find out that if i go buy a HP webOS phone , that i can connect to that said toaster via wifi or bluetooth and control and upload all my data back and forth seamlessly . there is a much more likely chance that im gonna go buy that HP webOS phone than any other brand . ( this is just a funny example ) but it is my point that being put across. therefore HP will be able to get more stuff out to the consumer than they would have otherwise.
    Very true and doing seemless integration across devices is going to be HP's saving grace and the thing that will set them apart, that and their future integrated cloud services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkproteus66 View Post
    Very true and doing seemless integration across devices is going to be HP's saving grace and the thing that will set them apart, that and their future integrated cloud services.
    Unless you buy every device from them that's worthless - which is why touch to share is a deadend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Unless you buy every device from them that's worthless - which is why touch to share is a deadend.


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    as far as I can tell touch to share is a proof of concept that they can push things between devices. I doubt they are going to stop at just pushing url's between devices, not to mention HP is a big player in the cloud services and information management in general, ie servers, storage, and networking. Beyond that HP has a very large user base and across their products in both the corporate and consumer space. If they bundle webOS on these devices they are going to have a very large user base by default just through average consumers buying products that they were normally going to buy anyways
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