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  1. #3981  
    Why is everyone so flash crazy... Mobile phones have never had flash before and everything worked just fine.
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  2. #3982  
    P0RN

    'nuff said
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    Quote Originally Posted by iTz Nicholas72 View Post
    P0RN

    'nuff said

    lmfao
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    Quote Originally Posted by iTz Nicholas72 View Post
    P0RN

    'nuff said
    You dont need Flash to watch Pron..
  5. #3985  
    what do you need?
  6. #3986  
    i think by adobe hesitating on the release of flash for webos, adobe will be losers in the mobile market. they shouldnt just be relying on the android market. they should come out with the newest flash for all mobile phones if they want to be successful in the mobile phone market

    also, i think palm/hp needs to come out with a new phone as quickly as possible.
    they need to come out with a good new phone this year and not next year. if they dont come out with a new phone this year, they definitely wont gain any ground in the mobile phone market and be in the same old predicament that they were in the past. they got a good opportunity to push forward and i somehow think they are blowing it.

    just my thoughts because that new iphone is looking to kick some buts.
  7. #3987  
    HI all,

    Here is the latest info that I found about Flash. However, it is lacking info on webOS!

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    Adobe moves mobile Flash from rhetoric to reality
    BY Stephen Shankland, June 21, 2010 9:00 PM PDT

    Adobe moves mobile Flash from rhetoric to reality | Deep Tech - CNET News

    After enduring months of scorn from Apple, Adobe Systems is set to begin a major effort to claim some of the mobile computing initiative for itself starting Monday night.

    That's when the company plans to issue an all-but-finished beta of Flash Player 10.1, moving from demos and rhetoric to a more concrete answer to those who question the technology's relevance. Flash for Android phones will become final with Google's imminent release of Android 2.2, aka Froyo, and over coming months Flash 10.1 will spread to many other mobile operating systems.

    "We're expecting really broad platform support over the next 12 to 18 months," said Anup Murarka, Adobe's director of technology strategy. "There may be a little bit of a slow start as these devices trickle out," he said, but a broader range expanding also to tablets, Netbooks, TVs, and set-top boxes will emerge for Christmas and at the Consumer Electronics Show in January.

    Also due to get Flash Player 10.1 are Palm's WebOS, Research in Motion's BlackBerry OS, Nokia's Symbian, the MeeGo version of Linux from Intel and Nokia, and Windows Phone 7--though not at that operating system's debut, Murarka said. Many companies will pre-install Flash Player 10.1 on their phones through deals Adobe is hammering out, but in the case of Google, those with Froyo phones will be able to download it directly from the Android Market.

    It's no surprise that Adobe's partner list omits one very important swath of the mobile device market: Apple's iOS, the operating system that powers not only the influential iPhone but also the new iPad and the iPod Touch. Adobe has been twice thwarted in its ambition to spread Flash there--first when Apple rejected it outright, and second when it blocked a more indirect Adobe effort to convert Flash applications into native iOS applications. Apple CEO Steve Jobs castigated Flash for being insecure, crash-inducing, and a relic from a bygone age of computing.

    But the length of Adobe's list of supporters shows that the company still has a lot of clout. Adobe's ability to secure mobile device partners--and there are a number of chipmakers cooperating on Flash Player 10.1 for mobile, too--is reminiscent of an earlier age when Microsoft, not Apple, was the company whose power galvanized competitors. Then, Microsoft's rivals threw their collective weight behind Sun Microsystems' Java in the 1990s and behind Linux shortly afterward, in both cases helping to counterbalance if not vanquish Microsoft.

    Battle lost, war not over
    Jobs' complaints, documented in a very public letter, helped spur those trying to build a better Flash competitor out of Web standards built into browsers without plug-ins. That effort, even though Adobe supports it to a degree, poses a major competitive threat to Flash.

    Adobe knows it lost the Apple battle, but it's not giving up the war.

    "We work with Apple on the desktop, but we're not making any progress on the mobile side," Murarka said. What that means for Flash programmers who want their software on iOS devices: "Developers will have to absorb additional cost to do development for that platform."

    The biggest point of counterattack against Apple will be simply support on other phones, a move Adobe believes will keep Flash relevant in the era in which smartphones are miniature general-purpose computers, albeit wimpier than your average laptop.

    Apple's objections undermines Adobe's "multiscreen" ambition to let Flash programmers create a single application that adapts to many different systems. But even without its presence, Flash Player 10.1 for mobile extends Flash programmers' reach--to Android phones including the Motorola Droid, Dell Streak, Google Nexus One, Motorola Milestone, Samsung Galaxy S, and HTC Evo, Incredible, and Desire, for starts.

    "There is still an issue for content providers and application developers in targeting multiple mobile platforms (RIM, Symbian, Android). With Flash 10.1, they will at least have a common solution to target multiple non-Apple platforms plus desktop environments with one code base, one project, one skill-set, etc.," said IDC analyst Al Hilwa. "They may still have to target Apple with a separate effort, but this is an improvement over the current much higher-cost situation, which is a different solution for each platform."

    Now it will be up to Adobe and its Flash allies to back up their claims of performance, compatibility, and desirability. Adobe claims notable performance for technology derided as a CPU hog on full-fledged computers: "We can watch over three hours of video on a Nexus One, streamed over 3G," Murarka said, and casual games will run for four hours.

    Adobe previously had offered a stripped down and not terribly successful Flash Lite for phones, but in November 2008 announced its intent to concentrate instead on a unified Flash Player for both computers and smartphones. The work was difficult, in part because Adobe had to rework Flash for devices lacking the relatively copious memory and processor power of a regular computer.

    One helpful side effect, though, is that Flash Player 10.1 should consume less memory and processing power on desktop computers, too.

    Getting Flash Player 10.1 onto phones
    Even though the code base is the same, there are differences between Flash Player 10.1 for mobile phones and for personal computers.

    Here's a big one: with many phones, you can't just point your browser to a Web site and download the software you want.

    Flash Player 10.1 for phones, therefore, will rely in part on distribution deals by which the software is preinstalled on phones or distributed via over-the-air updates.

    "We are working with multiple OEMs [original equipment manufacturers] to ship it presintalled on new devices," said Murarka, though he he said it was up to the companies in charge of the phones to announce such deals.

    But don't be surprised to see them coming soon--the new Motorola Droid going on sale on Verizon's network, to be announced Wednesday, seems a likely candidate. "Expect additional news later this week with OEM-related news," Murarka said.

    And though there's no deal to announce, he said Adobe is in talks with Samsung about bringing Flash to its Bada operating system.

    Adobe likes the Android Market style of distribution, which helps Adobe manage Flash Player and doesn't require them to wait for a device manufacturing cycle. Also coming is a pop-up message that Web sites can show suggesting people install Flash, an experience drawn from personal computers.

    But Adobe will work with others, too; for example, Palm will distribute Flash Player 10.1 through a system update, he said.

    Programmers, too, will have to adjust to the new Flash Player 10.1. Many existing Web sites will work fine on mobile phones with Flash Player, Murarka said, but those that assume a person controls the application with a keyboard and mouse or that assume the user has a large screen could have troubles.

    Consequently, Adobe encourages programmers to consider touch interfaces and other newer developments. Flash Player 10.1 includes support for multitouch, but an application will work differently controlled that way compared to more traditional interfaces.

    To run on a phone, a relatively powerful processor is required. Adobe's official list includes ARM11, Cortex A8 and A9, Intel Atom, nVidia Tegra, and Qualcomm Snapdragon. The software can take advantage of processor sleep states to conserve power and of accelerometers to control screen orientation.

    Such engineering work is necessary and important for a good experience, and Adobe has Moore's Law on its side: new devices will come with more memory, better graphics, brawnier processors, better displays. But that's in the future.

    Today's challenge will be just getting Flash onto mobile devices and getting programmers to adjust their ways. With Flash Player 10.1, though, Adobe has something more than words to persuade others to sign up for Flash.
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    #3988  
    Quote Originally Posted by Rilla755 View Post
    what do you need?
    A growing number of video sites, both pr0n and non-pr0n, are moving to HTML5. The faster Flash dies, the better.
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  9. #3989  
    Allison on Attack Of The Show said that Adobe has shipped Flash out for the Android, Windows Mobile and the WebOS. So hopefully soon we will have the player.

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  10. #3990  
    Quote Originally Posted by the2ndflood View Post
    Allison on Attack Of The Show said that Adobe has shipped Flash out for the Android, Windows Mobile and the WebOS. So hopefully soon we will have the player.
    Yea, Adobe posted that on their website last night.
  11. #3991  
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    Yea, Adobe posted that on their website last night.
    So it's a fact then! I'm just so glad that it is finally coming out!

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  12. #3992  
    Quote Originally Posted by the2ndflood View Post
    So it's a fact then! I'm just so glad that it is finally coming out!
    Yep! Check it out:
    http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/252163-adobe-flash-player-10-1-mobile-released-their-partners-2010-06-22-a.html
  13. #3993  
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    This news really made my day! I'm so glad that the wait is almost over. I was starting to think that the Flash Player wasn't ever going to come over to the WebOS.

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  14. #3994  
    Cool it is finally here, Take care, Jay
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  15. #3995  
    I'll believe it when I see it in the app.cat. Doesn't matter anymore.
  16. #3996  
    Quote Originally Posted by rigatoni1374 View Post
    I'll believe it when I see it in the app.cat. Doesn't matter anymore.
    I wont hold my breath for it but sure still would like to see it come out soon.
  17. #3997  
    It would be nice if a Adobe and Palm would talk/update people regularly. Having people wait for extended periods of time causes threads like this. haha
  18. #3998  
    I can't wait! I am having YnR withdraws. It was the only highlight of my work day before I bought my Pre. Now I will have the perfect phone!!
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    #3999  
    Yeah! Can't wait!!! one reason I'm staying away from the iPad - no flash support...
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  20. #4000  
    Nothing Changed, we still have to wait.

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