Removing --gc_global flag in /etc/palm/browser.conf : animation speed increase - Page 2

TheMarco · 10/21/2009, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socca1157

Well I meant average Pre users, someone not on PreCentral. So this won't really help developers.

I agree. However this is the case with all patches and apps presented here.

I wasn't offering this idea as a 'solution' but more as an interesting little thing that shows that better performance IS possible

socca1157 · 10/21/2009, 07:11 PM

In that case, interesting discovery!

rboatright · 10/23/2009, 07:54 AM

The ability of apps to trigger a gc when they want would make LOTS of games run better.
Run a "small" gc when you launch a new ball, etc.

Get rid of the randomness.

Shadavis08 · 10/23/2009, 08:08 AM

so how can we delete this patch if its needed??

PS ; what is the flag for anyways ?? I mean why is it there if it is not needed and slows the phone down ???

jonaddis84 · 10/23/2009, 09:13 AM

Im an "average" user. Just installed this, Ill update if I notice anything go wrong.

Adam Carr · 10/23/2009, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadavis08

so how can we delete this patch if its needed??

PS ; what is the flag for anyways ?? I mean why is it there if it is not needed and slows the phone down ???

The same way you installed, though WOSQI =).

When installed, g to quick install, tools>Device management (With Pre connected). Choose patches from the drop down menu and choose the patch you wish to uninstall and itll remove.

Alternatively it should also be able to be removed through preware.
Trying this on my 1.1.3 Pre, not sure if itll work because of the older OS but heck =P. Thanks for the patch.

Adam Carr · 10/23/2009, 09:45 AM

Just installed. Havent noticed much if any difference, animations are slightly more fluid?

Not sure this patch is even installed, got some HUNK line 61 error????

Then said something was moved to browser.conf.rej????

Is there a log file which i can access in Quick install? Cant seem to be able to remove the patch in quick install either.

housetube · 10/23/2009, 10:03 AM

Just another average user, I'll give it a try and see if I notice anything.

diomark · 10/23/2009, 03:50 PM

I ended up removing this

was getting too many out of memory errors/throw cards away with it (especially when listening to podcasts using drpodder)
-m

jonaddis84 · 10/23/2009, 04:41 PM

Definite memory leak with this patch. I had it give me the too many cards error with only SMS and Music Remix open, and I have the other two patches installed from Diomark. Hadnt got that error since I installed those two patches until now, only a few hours after installing this patch.

On the good side, I did notice playing Wabbithunt was much smoother.

gage006 · 10/23/2009, 04:52 PM

I haven't got any errors and I've used DrPodder pretty extensively.

K4p741nkrunch · 10/23/2009, 08:26 PM

I have been getting some out of memory errors since I installed this. Thought it was strange considering I had done the memory tweaks and tested 28 apps open at once without getting that error before. I'm gonna remove it, but it definitely did what it promised to do, make animations smoother. Maybe instead of turning it off you could adjust some of the parameters and lessen the memory effects.

sivan · 10/23/2009, 08:38 PM

You people are crazy mucking around with this stuff. Removing GC to improve performance...hilarious.

mrloserpunk · 10/23/2009, 10:48 PM

why?

sivan · 10/23/2009, 11:08 PM

Why? Because garbage collection is the process that reclaims unused memory.

Yes, it will cause some lag, but without it apps will run out of memory. This is not a "leak", it's a central feature.

It's like yanking the radiator from your car because it's heavy. Tinkering is fine, but it seems totally random in this case and now it's distributed with WOSQI.

ivan1.ruiz · 10/23/2009, 11:15 PM

can this be added to preware?

Brain_ReCall · 10/24/2009, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sivan

Why? Because garbage collection is the process that reclaims unused memory.

Yes, it will cause some lag, but without it apps will run out of memory. This is not a "leak", it's a central feature.

It's like yanking the radiator from your car because it's heavy. Tinkering is fine, but it seems totally random in this case and now it's distributed with WOSQI.

My understanding is that this flag determines the V8 garbage collection scheme. By default, V8 will perform incremental garbage collections on allocations up to a certain limit, then it will perform a full "stop the world" global GC. Palm set this flag so that V8 always performs global GC's.

See: flag-definitions.h - v8 - Project Hosting on Google Code
heap.cc - v8 - Project Hosting on Google Code

But, frankly, with this tweak (as with many others) we are stabbing in the dark. Only Palm knows the system impact of changing the GC scheme.

EDIT: To go completely off topic, a better car analogy (!) would be like ripping out the battery after the car is started because it is heavy. Sure, it'll run, just don't stop the engine.

guerillatwang · 10/24/2009, 08:21 AM

I've had this on since the patch has been posted and have had absolutely no memory leak issues, or slowdowns of any kinda. Not sure about these other people though.

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10/23/2009, 09:13 AM	#25 (permalink)
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10/23/2009, 09:45 AM	#27 (permalink)
Adam Carr Formerly Shadow-360 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 664 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 52 Thanked 344 Times in 116 Posts	Just installed. Havent noticed much if any difference, animations are slightly more fluid? Not sure this patch is even installed, got some HUNK line 61 error???? Then said something was moved to browser.conf.rej???? Is there a log file which i can access in Quick install? Cant seem to be able to remove the patch in quick install either.
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10/23/2009, 10:03 AM	#28 (permalink)
housetube Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 133 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 31 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Just another average user, I'll give it a try and see if I notice anything.
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10/23/2009, 03:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
diomark Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 770 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 37 Thanked 276 Times in 83 Posts	I ended up removing this was getting too many out of memory errors/throw cards away with it (especially when listening to podcasts using drpodder) -m
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10/23/2009, 04:41 PM	#30 (permalink)
jonaddis84 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 107 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Definite memory leak with this patch. I had it give me the too many cards error with only SMS and Music Remix open, and I have the other two patches installed from Diomark. Hadnt got that error since I installed those two patches until now, only a few hours after installing this patch. On the good side, I did notice playing Wabbithunt was much smoother.
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10/23/2009, 04:52 PM	#31 (permalink)
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10/23/2009, 08:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
K4p741nkrunch Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 187 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 21 Thanked 48 Times in 32 Posts	I have been getting some out of memory errors since I installed this. Thought it was strange considering I had done the memory tweaks and tested 28 apps open at once without getting that error before. I'm gonna remove it, but it definitely did what it promised to do, make animations smoother. Maybe instead of turning it off you could adjust some of the parameters and lessen the memory effects.
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10/23/2009, 08:38 PM	#33 (permalink)
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10/23/2009, 10:48 PM	#34 (permalink)
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10/23/2009, 11:08 PM	#35 (permalink)
sivan Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,168 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 51 Thanked 76 Times in 56 Posts	Why? Because garbage collection is the process that reclaims unused memory. Yes, it will cause some lag, but without it apps will run out of memory. This is not a "leak", it's a central feature. It's like yanking the radiator from your car because it's heavy. Tinkering is fine, but it seems totally random in this case and now it's distributed with WOSQI.
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10/23/2009, 11:15 PM	#36 (permalink)
ivan1.ruiz Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 378 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 37 Thanked 60 Times in 32 Posts	can this be added to preware? __________________ Ivan's Themes main thread Oklahoma Sooner theme If you would like to because you like my work or you just want to buy me a drink I would really appreciate it.
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10/24/2009, 08:21 AM	#38 (permalink)
guerillatwang Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 340 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 97 Thanked 50 Times in 35 Posts	I've had this on since the patch has been posted and have had absolutely no memory leak issues, or slowdowns of any kinda. Not sure about these other people though.
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