1.  10/22/2009, 10:44 AM Originally Posted by Razor1973 This is a great idea, but I must be doing something wrong, since it's not working for me. I just installed 0.2.5 and used the immensely useful "mvapp bulkmv" command and moved a bunch of apps. so that my usage went from 90% to 81%. I then tried installing something from the app. catalog and no luck. I restarted the phone and still no luck. Is 81% still not enough? The official patch page does not make any reference to what the highest usage % should be for the App Catalog to allow you to install new apps. It talks about this in the Fair Dinkum app page for webos-internals. I believe it's 60 some %. Actually it's 100mb free. And that is only if you have the Fair Dinkum app installed. Before that app it's also dependent on having less than 64mb in apps installed. here is the application thread... it can be installed through Preware. ----------------- Palm III, Palm IIIc, TT, T3, T5, TX, Pre from Day 1.
2.  10/22/2009, 10:50 AM Yes, you need to keep moving apps until well below 100MB used for /var. If you don't have Fair Dinkum installed, keep moving apps until /var.../applications is using well below 64MB.
3.  10/22/2009, 11:41 AM Such a great app! I moved my app "Simple Bible" yesterday from \var \to \media\ yesterday, and it could be listed by . Later, I deleted this app through Launcher and tried its directory in \media\, but it always prompted the directory not existing. If I , that directory still show up. Did I do anything wrong? and how to completely delete the directory of the app that has been deleted? Thanks.
4.  10/22/2009, 11:43 AM Originally Posted by SirWill It talks about this in the Fair Dinkum app page for webos-internals. I believe it's 60 some %. Actually it's 100mb free. And that is only if you have the Fair Dinkum app installed. Before that app it's also dependent on having less than 64mb in apps installed. here is the application thread... it can be installed through Preware. Originally Posted by xorg Yes, you need to keep moving apps until well below 100MB used for /var. If you don't have Fair Dinkum installed, keep moving apps until /var.../applications is using well below 64MB. Thanks, guys, but how is this even possible? I moved a bunch of large apps, but still my available is 52MB. How could I even clear another 50MB when my largest remaining app. (mvapp list) is 2.7MB and a quick mental sum of all the unlinked apps. doesn't even reach 10MB?
5.  10/22/2009, 12:17 PM Originally Posted by Razor1973 Thanks, guys, but how is this even possible? I moved a bunch of large apps, but still my available is 52MB. How could I even clear another 50MB when my largest remaining app. (mvapp list) is 2.7MB and a quick mental sum of all the unlinked apps. doesn't even reach 10MB? The culprit is probably Email. In that thread there are discussions about how to clean up email, and also how to see exactly what is specifically using up your space. ----------------- Palm III, Palm IIIc, TT, T3, T5, TX, Pre from Day 1.
6.  10/22/2009, 01:34 PM Originally Posted by alphazone2009 Such a great app! I moved my app "Simple Bible" yesterday from \var \to \media\ yesterday, and it could be listed by . Later, I deleted this app through Launcher and tried its directory in \media\, but it always prompted the directory not existing. If I , that directory still show up. Did I do anything wrong? and how to completely delete the directory of the app that has been deleted? Thanks. Try 'mvapp unlink appname' and then do a 'mvapp clean'. If neither work, you'll have to do.. cd /internal/media/.apps rm -r com.appname I'll check into it.
7.  10/22/2009, 01:39 PM Originally Posted by Razor1973 Thanks, guys, but how is this even possible? I moved a bunch of large apps, but still my available is 52MB. How could I even clear another 50MB when my largest remaining app. (mvapp list) is 2.7MB and a quick mental sum of all the unlinked apps. doesn't even reach 10MB? try this command.. ls /var/lib/software/tmp If there are a lot of packages listed, your Pre might be trying to do another 1.2.1 update. If so, run Update and it will clear a big chunk of /var usage. You could also try reducing your email sync down to 1 or 3 days in Preferences.
9.  10/22/2009, 02:29 PM ^Yes, the tmp directory is normal. It is likely email filling up /var. Did you install a lot of optware packages? Some are pretty big. I think in the next version I'll add a 'var doctor' type of command that checks what areas are the biggest storage hogs, with suggestions.
10.  10/22/2009, 03:42 PM Originally Posted by xorg I think in the next version I'll add a 'var doctor' type of command that checks what areas are the biggest storage hogs, with suggestions. Ohhh, I like, I like. ----------------- Palm III, Palm IIIc, TT, T3, T5, TX, Pre from Day 1.
11.  10/22/2009, 04:05 PM ^I'm also testing moving the email and attachments over to /media with a symlink and so far it looks OK. Not sure how it will behave with USB mode, will need to test more. If it works out, I'll be adding that function too. Imagine gigabytes of email if you wants, peoples.
12.  10/22/2009, 04:19 PM Originally Posted by xorg ^Yes, the tmp directory is normal. It is likely email filling up /var. Did you install a lot of optware packages? Some are pretty big. I did at some point. However, I just did "quilt applied" and didn't have any patch applied. I did have a bunch of things under "/opt/src/patches" and "/opt/src/modifications" and just erased both folders. I still cannot install from the App Catalog. Now, I am trying to find out how much room I have available without having to move another app with mvapp (which reports this at the end) and don't know how. I also didn't find an option in the app that would tell me this. Also, even though I have my mailboxes configured to sync only the last 7 days, I can see a whole lot more than 1 week of e-mails. Maybe as far back as when I first added the accounts, or even all of it. Shouldn't the client eliminate (locally, not on the server) any e-mails that are older than 7 days? Otherwise, the mailbox will continue filling up, no matter what this setting is set to.
13.  10/22/2009, 04:49 PM I've got a development version posted if you want to test. It has a new command 'doc' or 'd' and does this... Code: mvapp version: 0.2.6a /var report. Used should be well under 100MB... /var used: 88 MB 35% - avail: 160 MB Size of applications directory (MB). Should be well under 60MB... 6 /var/usr/palm/applications Checking email usage. Your email storage is using 8MB. Checking software temp (MB). Should be 1MB or less... 0 /var/lib/software/tmp Checking /opt (MB)... 37 /opt To install development version, paste this... Code: mount -o remount,rw / cd /usr/local/bin wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/mvapp/blobs/raw/master/mvapp -O mvapp.dev chmod 755 mvapp.dev mvapp.dev mvapp.dev d doc You can rename mvapp.dev to something else if you want. Anyone have other suggestions that the 'doc' function could check?
14.  10/22/2009, 05:25 PM Originally Posted by xorg I've got a development version posted if you want to test. Whoa! Look at my e-mail storage! Code: mvapp version: 0.2.6a /var report. Used should be well under 100MB... /var used: 199 MB 80% - avail: 49 MB Size of applications directory (MB). Should be well under 60MB... 12 /var/usr/palm/applications Checking email usage. Your email storage is using 51MB. Checking software temp (MB). Should be 1MB or less... 0 /var/lib/software/tmp Checking /opt (MB)... 35 /opt Did you see my question about the synced days? I know this is not fully related to your patch. Also, I have 35MB in /opt. Could I safely get rid of that? Remember I already got rid of the "/opt/src/patches" and "/opt/src/modifications" folders. Code: ls /opt bin include lib man share var etc ipkg-3rXdoG libexec sbin src Or is this folder where Optware is installed and I should actually uninstall it another way? There really is no point in using Optware anymore now that Preware kicks ****, is there?
15.  10/22/2009, 05:34 PM Your /opt is OK, it's about the same as mine. Despite your email, something else is eating up a about 50MB of space. Not sure why your email is showing more than 7 days even though it's set to 7. Might post in the general app discussion about that. To explore /var further, try this.. cd /var du -s * |sort -n Shows largest last. My largest look like this.. 4864 palm 13104 usr 14240 luna 38140 opt If another dir looks abnormally large, cd into that dir and repeat the du command above. Report back and I'll add it for the doctor to test.
16.  10/22/2009, 05:48 PM with the du -s * are the sizes in kb, mb or what? I have 94404Luna Data in Luna is 91592 and 28576 in var/luna/data/attachments and emails has 51516 havn't installed the dev version yet. I got the above numbers via the pre and terminal. Ugh, my eyes! ----------------- Palm III, Palm IIIc, TT, T3, T5, TX, Pre from Day 1.
17.  10/22/2009, 05:49 PM Originally Posted by xorg Your /opt is OK, it's about the same as mine. Do I really need it having Preware, though? Shouldn't I free 35MB I am not using? Or am I? And if so, is a "rm -r" the way to go? Originally Posted by xorg Not sure why your email is showing more than 7 days even though it's set to 7. Might post in the general app discussion about that. Will do. Thanks. Originally Posted by xorg To explore /var further, try this.. Code: 12 cache 12 lock 16 lost+found 20 context 28 ssl 32 home 52 etc 92 run 160 net.precentral.themes 168 preferences 868 lib 1348 telenav 2096 palm 5220 log 15360 usr 35648 opt 131744 luna Holy luna!!! And drilling down... Code: root@castle:/var# cd luna cd luna root@castle:/var/luna# du -s * |sort -n du -s * |sort -n 12 launchpoints 20 preferences 2588 files 129120 data root@castle:/var/luna# cd data cd data root@castle:/var/luna/data# du -s * |sort -n du -s * |sort -n 4 EASName.txt 4 extractfs 4 palm-carriernetworksettings-info 4 slidercount 8 temp_html_email 24 downloadhistory.db 60 Apps 144 perfdata.txt 220 CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 232 im-avatars 292 browser 448 mediadb.db3 1436 stackdump.txt 17156 dbdata 52084 emails 56996 attachments root@castle:/var/luna/data# You may want to also report on e-mail attachments, as these seem to get stored in a separate folder. So I really have 107MB in e-mails. Holy e-mail! Thanks a whole lot!
18.  10/22/2009, 05:56 PM Originally Posted by Razor1973 Also, I have 35MB in /opt. Could I safely get rid of that? Remember I already got rid of the "/opt/src/patches" and "/opt/src/modifications" folders. Code: ls /opt bin include lib man share var etc ipkg-3rXdoG libexec sbin src Or is this folder where Optware is installed and I should actually uninstall it another way? There really is no point in using Optware anymore now that Preware kicks ****, is there? If you don't specifically use any Linux command-line applications from optware, and you have Novaterm set up for accessing your Pre, then you can "ipkg-opt list" and "ipkg-opt remove " all the packages from optware that you don't need. -- Rod WebOS Internals and Preware Founder and Developer You may wish to donate by Paypal to donations @ webos-internals.org if you find our work useful. All donations go back into development. www.webos-internals.org twitter.com/webosinternals facebook.com/webosinternals
19.  10/22/2009, 07:59 PM XORG, I have to 2nd the request for it showing the attachment folder too. ----------------- Palm III, Palm IIIc, TT, T3, T5, TX, Pre from Day 1.
20.  10/22/2009, 08:02 PM If all I get trying to open Preware is "Checking Version" (stuck) do I need to uninstall package manager and Preware and reinstall? I downloaded the pkg mgr update earlier and it's been stuck ever since. I thought I saw a MVAPP application in Preware this morning but I looked again at lunch right before I downloaded the pkg mgr update and it was gone!