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  1.    #1  
    I'd like to preface this post by saying I've already seen another thread about free apps, but apparently I'm not allowed to post links, so I can't link to it. :-(

    I'm coming from Android, and was given a Pre 2 by my carrier to review (I have to give it back in a few weeks). HP was nice enough to also send me a $25 pre-paid Visa card specifically to purchase apps, which I thought was weird, but I'm now beginning to understand.

    I knew getting in to this that the Pre has a MUCH smaller catalogue of apps (about 5000 I think?) but I am surprised at how few free options there are, especially for what I consider basic apps like note taking, Twitter, etc.

    As I mentioned at the beginning, I've read through that old thread, which was posted in Jan to feb of _last_ year, and I've seen three main rebuttals to the criticism that there should be more free apps.

    1. "Would you work for free? These devs spend their time making these things and should be reimbursed".

    2. Give it time, as more apps are made, prices will come down with competition (the "Free market" argument).

    3. Free Android/iPhone can generate revenue from mobile ads.

    Well, here are my responses...

    1. That depends. I am a graphic designer. Occasionally I do small jobs for people at no charge. It generates more _paid_ business for me going forward. In my experience in the Android world, it seems to be similar for devs. There are a LOT of free apps for Android, in fact I've seen many articles where devs complain that it's harder to make money from Android users than any other user base because Android users install fewer paid apps than free apps.
    The truth is, with so many great, free apps available, why would they? Many devs make free apps, and then make it possible to "donate" to them. It some cases it works. Most of the truly useful free apps have limited functionality, and you can get more functions by upgrading to the premium version. This works well. I've paid for the premium versions of 3 free apps so far because it was worth it.
    One major benefit of the free apps is that i get to try an app out extensively before deciding whether or not to buy the premium version. There _are_ options for devs to make free versions and still make money.

    2. "Give it time". It's been a year since the thread linked above was posted, and it doesn't seem to have happened. It's difficult to find useful free apps in the Pre app catalogue, at least so far.

    3. Mobile Ads: I'm not too clear on this, being a Pre newb. Do Pre apps have mobile ads or not? If not, will they? When?

    In the end, people will say to me (rather grumpily) "Well, if you don't like it, stay with Android!" and that just may be what happens. The Pre is a beautiful piece of hardware and has a very slick UI, but this lack of free apps is confounding.

    And finally, in response to the people who think I'm just being cheap and ungrateful for wanting more free apps, the problem with your argument is that the Android market _exists_ and is full of free apps, so it has, in effect, "devalued" apps. When it comes down to a choice between Palm Pre and Android, i will choose Android for its free apps, not because I'm cheap or ungrateful, BUT BECAUSE I CAN!

    I really like the Pre, but if people can choose between a smorgasbord of free vs mostly paid, the Pre will suffer in the market. :-(
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    I'm not sure if I have this right, but I think with you being on webOS 2.0, you are somewhat limited in what's available.

    Everybody developed for 1.4.5, then the Pre2 FINALLY showed up with 2.0. Then we were told the older devices were not getting 2.0 (or maybe they are, or not--who knows!), and now the framework all those apps were built on is being replaced by a new and completely different one. So will anyone continue developing for 2.0? I kinda don't think so.

    This is definitely a transition stage for webOS and the Pre 2 was just kind of thrown out there in the meantime. It certainly isn't intended to be a long-term device. I'm sorry your first experience with webOS was on a Pre 2 because I can see how it could leave you with a bad impression.

    So, I said all that to say, I don't think you're going to get very many free apps anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katefields View Post
    I'm not sure if I have this right, but I think with you being on webOS 2.0, you are somewhat limited in what's available.

    Everybody developed for 1.4.5, then the Pre2 FINALLY showed up with 2.0. Then we were told the older devices were not getting 2.0 (or maybe they are, or not--who knows!), and now the framework all those apps were built on is being replaced by a new and completely different one. So will anyone continue developing for 2.0? I kinda don't think so.

    This is definitely a transition stage for webOS and the Pre 2 was just kind of thrown out there in the meantime. It certainly isn't intended to be a long-term device. I'm sorry your first experience with webOS was on a Pre 2 because I can see how it could leave you with a bad impression.

    So, I said all that to say, I don't think you're going to get very many free apps anytime soon.
    Ya got things a bit mixed up. Enyo, the replacement framework, is coming with webOS 3.0, not 2.0. And even with webOS 3.0, there will be backwards support for Mojo framework.


    And to the OP, yes there are API for ads, but to most, they're more hassle than they're worth, when it's clear from existing webOS ad-based apps (and their developers' shared experiences), that the income returned from ad-based apps is far far lower than even $0.99 paid apps.
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  4.    #4  
    Thanks both of you for the replies. Can you explain a bit further (since I am writing a review of this device, and looking at it as a phone for my wife)?

    1. Can the Pre 2 use the apps from the older OS? if so, how do I get them if they don't show in the app catalogue?

    2. What is the likely-hood the Pre 2 will be updated to WebOs 3.0?

    It almost sounds like the Pre2 is "dead in the water" already, and it was only released in Canada in December 2010!
  5. #5  
    Yes older apps work.
    I would guess with 1ghz under the hood and similar power to the veer that it would. (But I thought the same with pre and pre+ :sigh: )

    Once WebOS gains ground more will come.
    But, as of now you can find great apps with awesome responsive developers (many here on the boards) Inglorious Apps, Hedemi, and Jay ^ to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjschmidt View Post
    Thanks both of you for the replies. Can you explain a bit further (since I am writing a review of this device, and looking at it as a phone for my wife)?

    1. Can the Pre 2 use the apps from the older OS? if so, how do I get them if they don't show in the app catalogue?

    2. What is the likely-hood the Pre 2 will be updated to WebOs 3.0?

    It almost sounds like the Pre2 is "dead in the water" already, and it was only released in Canada in December 2010!
    (1) All apps (even non 2.x app) will show in the App Catalog for ya. The only exceptions are apps designed for the Pixi/PixiPlus and apps that developers have not marked for international release. Geo-filtering is one problem for me too, as a Canadian.

    (2) I'd guess "probably" but nothing official has been said, afaikafaikafaik
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcerC View Post
    Once WebOS gains ground more will come.
    But, as of now you can find great apps with awesome responsive developers (many here on the boards) Inglorious Apps, Hedemi, and Jay ^ to name a few.
    I agree. While Android does have a larger Free/Paid ratio, I think the main reason you aren't finding as many quality free apps is because of the overall size of the webOS app catalog. In the near term, the app situation isn't going to improve because there is a small, dwindling userbase and HP is phasing in Enyo (in place of Mojo). When the new devices start hitting, I think we'll start to see more apps.

    Thanks IcerC for the shot out, but my company name is Hedami, not Hedemi. I know this because the "da" in the middle of the name is supposed to represent the first two letters of my name (Dan).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanPLC View Post
    Thanks IcerC for the shot out, but my company name is Hedami, not Hedemi. I know this because the "da" in the middle of the name is supposed to represent the first two letters of my name (Dan).
    So...I need to stop calling you 'DEN'?

    Well, thats ok, I can adjust! Besides, you have a great app in Music Player Remix...I use it quite often. And when i do use it, I say "Hey, Developer of Music Player Remix!...YOU DE MAN!" uh, I mean "...YOU DA MAN!" Does this mean you aren't Cajun either?

    By the way, thanks for mentioning about the ratio of Free to paid apps. This was something I wondered about, was the ratio very different between the Apple Store, the Android Store, and the webOS store. I was just assuming the ratios were pretty similar.
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  9.    #9  
    Thanks all for the replies.

    It seems a shame. I want so much to recommend this phone, and maybe even get it for my wife (she really wants a keyboard, and Rogers Wireless in canada seems to have something against keyboard devices that aren't BlackBerry) but if I am going to be honest, I don't know why i would recommend a platform and device that will cost more (with a dearth of free apps) compared to the other platforms.

    Again, I want to stress to the devs, i am not being greedy or ungrateful (I _do_ buy premium versions of apps), but as long as there are quality free apps available, the choice seems rather obvious.

    :-(
  10. #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by katefields View Post
    I'm not sure if I have this right, but I think with you being on webOS 2.0, you are somewhat limited in what's available...
    That is exactly it. Also note that many of the "free" apps are ad supported. Often you can pay 99 cents to upgrade to have the ads removed. Another typical "free" app on the other platforms is a reduced feature set version like TapaTalk with a TapaTalk Pro for 99 cents.

    I love when I can try out an app for a few days before buying it. If I end up using it I want to support the developer.

    In your case, you are not going to see anywhere close to 5,000 apps for webOS 2.0 though. The developers are having to start over in Enyo.

    One paid app you have to try in the 2.0 catalog is Music Player (Remix). It is far above anything on Android and defines what a music player can be.
    Last edited by milominderbinder; 02/28/2011 at 03:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Robitaille View Post
    Ya got things a bit mixed up. Enyo, the replacement framework, is coming with webOS 3.0, not 2.0. And even with webOS 3.0, there will be backwards support for Mojo framework.
    Thanks for the correction!

    So 3.0 (Enyo) apps will work on a 2.0 Pre 2?
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    I, for one, am not interested in filling up my phone with free apps that have little to no functionality. How many lightsabres can you have on your phone? I have a good supply of paid apps on my Pre, and while I would like to get them for free, I somehow doubt that FIFA 2010 is free on Android. Or Astraware Casino and Board Games, or NOVA, or HAWX, etc. Is there a subusitute for Dr. Podder for free on Android?

    With so many apps, I'm sure there are a few decent free ones on Android, but we have some decent free ones too, like Pandora, Kobo, and Radio Time. I'd rather pay for good apps, than get tons of app spam for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockbeast View Post
    So...I need to stop calling you 'DEN'?

    Well, thats ok, I can adjust! Besides, you have a great app in Music Player Remix...I use it quite often. And when i do use it, I say "Hey, Developer of Music Player Remix!...YOU DE MAN!" uh, I mean "...YOU DA MAN!" Does this mean you aren't Cajun either?
    Yes, please don't call me "Den". Please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockbeast View Post
    By the way, thanks for mentioning about the ratio of Free to paid apps. This was something I wondered about, was the ratio very different between the Apple Store, the Android Store, and the webOS store. I was just assuming the ratios were pretty similar.
    From what I can gather, the Android store is the odd one in the bunch with a much larger Free/Paid ratio than other app stores. I think the Palm store is the one that is more "normal" compared to other stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katefields View Post
    Thanks for the correction!

    So 3.0 (Enyo) apps will work on a 2.0 Pre 2?
    It won't work on webOS 2.0 since Enyo hasn't even been released yet. But it's possible a later iteration of webOS 2.x will. We don't know yet since Palm hasn't announced it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjschmidt View Post
    Thanks all for the replies.

    It seems a shame. I want so much to recommend this phone, and maybe even get it for my wife (she really wants a keyboard, and Rogers Wireless in canada seems to have something against keyboard devices that aren't BlackBerry) but if I am going to be honest, I don't know why i would recommend a platform and device that will cost more (with a dearth of free apps) compared to the other platforms.

    Again, I want to stress to the devs, i am not being greedy or ungrateful (I _do_ buy premium versions of apps), but as long as there are quality free apps available, the choice seems rather obvious.

    :-(
    I have a blackberry for work and Blackberry apps are not cheap. Most good apps are even more expensive than WebOS. A good weather app was $9.99 on BB OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanPLC View Post
    From what I can gather, the Android store is the odd one in the bunch with a much larger Free/Paid ratio than other app stores. I think the Palm store is the one that is more "normal" compared to other stores.
    Android is almost 70% free, Apple is about 50% free. However, even in Apple's 50% paid apps, a majority of them cost .99
  17.    #17  
    @jkeitz: I'm not talking about junk apps. i have no desire to fill my device with lightsabres and fart makers.

    I'm talking about really useful, and free, apps that I use daily. Here is a list of the Free apps I use on my android device for which i have had some trouble finding good free alternatives on the Pre (and these aren't crappy apps I'm using on android, these are good, well made, useful apps).

    - 3G Watchdog (tracks how much of my data i am using)
    - Aldiko Book Reader
    - AndFTP (FTP app for accessing my web servers)
    - Android VNC (to control my computers remotely)
    - Astrid Task manager (which saves tasks to my calendar if I choose, and which syncs online with my Free Remember The Milk account)
    - Astro File Manager (This app also backs up applications, and acts as an installer for third-party apps. I could do that with the free version, but I bought the paid version to show my support for the dev).
    - Barcode scanner (for scanning product bar codes, and QR codes)
    - Car Mode (switches my phone to answer all incoming and outgoing calls on speaker phone when i am in the car)
    - Compass
    - ConvertPad (for converting values, like metric to imperial for example, but hundreds of categories/options)
    - Dropbox (2 GB)
    - eBuddy (IM client connects with all my existing IM accounts like MSM, Yahoo, GTalk, etc)
    - Gmote (remote control for launching/controlling media on my PC, including powerpoint presentations)
    - Google Sky map (shows you positions of stars, planets, etc.
    - Inserty (Create list of premade text to insert into text-messages, emails, etc).
    - KeePassDroid (Android version of popular KeePass software to keep all your logins and passwords in one encrypted database with master password)
    - Flixster (YES I FOUND THIS ONE FOR PRE. :-) )
    - MyPhoneExplorer (allows me to connect to my phone from my PC via WiFi, Bluetooth, or USB Cable to access files, contacts, calendar, and it sends incoming SMS messages to my PC, allowing me to respond from my PC as well, sending it back through the phone).
    - NoteEverything (Note taking app which allows for Folders, and sub-folders, photo notes, voice notes, and drawing notes. Free version lets you export notes as text files, and paid version lets you do auto-back of notes database on regular basis. I paid for the full version of this one, but free version still does a LOT.)
    - PDAnet (lets me tether my phone to my computer top use my data for internet connection _without_ my carrier knowing/billing me)
    - PicSay (Photo editor)
    - Quick Settings (Control panel for various settings on the phone)
    - S2 Calendar widget (puts a small calendar widget on my home screen)
    - Seesmic (Twitter app. There are dozens and dozens of free, useful, full-featured twitter apps on Android)
    - Sketcher (sketchbook app. Sketch with various brushes and in various colours)
    - SwiFTP (Let's me turn my phone into an FTP server so I can connect to the phone from a PC with an FTP client)
    - Task Panel (see a list of running apps/processes, and kill them if need be)
    - Terminal Emulator (emulates a terminal window for commands)
    - Voice Recorder (self-explanatory)
    - Wapedia (Multiple wikis)
    - WebSharing (Access files on my phone via WiFi from a web browser on my PC)
    - WiFi Analyser

    These are just the useful apps I use daily that are free. This is not a list of lightsabre apps. This list doesn't include the games I have installed, nor does it include all the cool useful apps I'd like to install but can't because I have an older phone with not much memory.

    Again, I realize the app catalogue for the Pre is still much smaller than Android, so this isn't a "Pre sucks, Android is better rant". I had (and swore by) a Palm TX before my Android phone, and loved it (I still use it).

    My point is just that all the apps listed above for Android have free versions with lots of features.

    I love the Pre hardware and UI, but to switch, I would need a good reason to pay for what I get now on Android for Free. Can anyone suggest _free_ Pre versions of the apps listed above?

    @jkeitz: Can you really say now that what I'm talking about is wanting to fill my phone with crappy apps?

    Oh, and as for a note-taking app, yes I am aware of Evernote. I'm not sure what it's like on Pre, but on Android the free version only caches your notes for Offline use. If you clear your cache you lose the notes until you open them while online again. NOT useful in my opinion which is why i don't use it.

    As for Android store compared to the others, people seem to be saying that Android is the odd duck out for having a majority of free apps. To tha i would say, well then, unless you really have to have that iPhone/Pre/BBerry hardware, I don't see the advantage.

    Maybe it's just that Android users have been spoiled, and Android has "devalued" apps?
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    Install Preware. There are PLENTY of free apps available in Preware...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjschmidt View Post
    @jkeitz: I'm not talking about junk apps....
    - Aldiko Book Reader
    - AndFTP (FTP app for accessing my web servers)
    - Android VNC (to control my computers remotely)
    - Astrid Task manager (which saves tasks to my calendar if I choose, and which syncs online with my Free Remember The Milk account)
    - Astro File Manager (This app also backs up applications, and acts as an installer for third-party apps. I could do that with the free version, but I bought the paid version to show my support for the dev).
    - Barcode scanner (for scanning product bar codes, and QR codes)
    - Car Mode (switches my phone to answer all incoming and outgoing calls on speaker phone when i am in the car)
    - Compass
    - ConvertPad (for converting values, like metric to imperial for example, but hundreds of categories/options)
    - Dropbox (2 GB)
    - eBuddy (IM client connects with all my existing IM accounts like MSM, Yahoo, GTalk, etc)
    - Gmote (remote control for launching/controlling media on my PC, including powerpoint presentations)
    - Google Sky map (shows you positions of stars, planets, etc.
    - Inserty (Create list of premade text to insert into text-messages, emails, etc).
    - KeePassDroid (Android version of popular KeePass software to keep all your logins and passwords in one encrypted database with master password)
    - Flixster (YES I FOUND THIS ONE FOR PRE. :-) )
    - MyPhoneExplorer (allows me to connect to my phone from my PC via WiFi, Bluetooth, or USB Cable to access files, contacts, calendar, and it sends incoming SMS messages to my PC, allowing me to respond from my PC as well, sending it back through the phone).
    - NoteEverything (Note taking app which allows for Folders, and sub-folders, photo notes, voice notes, and drawing notes. Free version lets you export notes as text files, and paid version lets you do auto-back of notes database on regular basis. I paid for the full version of this one, but free version still does a LOT.)
    - PDAnet (lets me tether my phone to my computer top use my data for internet connection _without_ my carrier knowing/billing me)
    - PicSay (Photo editor)
    - Quick Settings (Control panel for various settings on the phone)
    - S2 Calendar widget (puts a small calendar widget on my home screen)
    - Seesmic (Twitter app. There are dozens and dozens of free, useful, full-featured twitter apps on Android)
    - Sketcher (sketchbook app. Sketch with various brushes and in various colours)
    - SwiFTP (Let's me turn my phone into an FTP server so I can connect to the phone from a PC with an FTP client)
    - Task Panel (see a list of running apps/processes, and kill them if need be)
    - Terminal Emulator (emulates a terminal window for commands)
    - Voice Recorder (self-explanatory)
    - Wapedia (Multiple wikis)
    - WebSharing (Access files on my phone via WiFi from a web browser on my PC)
    - WiFi Analyser
    .... apps?

    Most of those aren't even possible with the current api's (and NEVER in the abandoned legacy devices)

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    - Android VNC (to control my computers remotely) - There is an app coming from HP soon to do this. Free.

    - Astro File Manager (This app also backs up applications, and acts as an installer for third-party apps. I could do that with the free version, but I bought the paid version to show my support for the dev). - Use the app called Internalz and Save/Restore for this. Free.

    - Barcode scanner (for scanning product bar codes, and QR codes) - there is one called QR barcode scanner, i believe. Free.

    - Car Mode (switches my phone to answer all incoming and outgoing calls on speaker phone when i am in the car) - can use Mode Switcher for this. Actually you can use Mode Switcher for this and A LOT more (have settings change based on where you are located, is one of them) Free.

    - ConvertPad (for converting values, like metric to imperial for example, but hundreds of categories/options) - There are several free apps for this. Free.

    - Inserty (Create list of premade text to insert into text-messages, emails, etc). This is built into webOS 2.0 with the text assisst app. Free and built into webOS

    - KeePassDroid (Android version of popular KeePass software to keep all your logins and passwords in one encrypted database with master password) - there is an app for this as well, cant remember what it's called.. Free.

    - Quick Settings (Control panel for various settings on the phone) - Again, Mode Switcher does this. Free.

    - Sketcher (sketchbook app. Sketch with various brushes and in various colours) - Paintr Lite does this. Free.

    - Task Panel (see a list of running apps/processes, and kill them if need be) - The standard "card view" of all of your open apps does this! You just swipe them off the screen to kill them. Baked into webOS. Free.

    - Terminal Emulator (emulates a terminal window for commands) - the app is called Terminal on webOS. Free.

    - Voice Recorder (self-explanatory) - zCorder is what it's called on webOS. Free.
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