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  1. #21  
    Just throwing in my 2 cents:

    I am glad to see developers coming to the WebOS platform, as it means more variety of apps for everyone. The occasional dev may be here for a hobby or for fun or some other altruistic reason, but the majority of devs want to be compensated via money. There is only a few ways to do so. Since very few devs can survive on donations, I think looking at in app advertising (sigh...yes, like the Apple iAds model) is actually a good model if you have a large enough base to where the ad revenue is worthwhile...but I am not sure if Palm is there yet. Give the app away for free, but with the condition of being subjected to in app advertising. The end user gets a app for free, the dev gets to make money, and the pharmecutical companies can tout to joys of Viagra to you all day long.

    For those who don't want the ads, they can have a paid version. That way you can demo a fully functional app (complete with spam), and if you love the app but really want to ditch the ads, you can pay for the ad free version. I think a couple of apps already do use this model, and it makes sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantaffordit View Post
    But for stuff that serves a purpose, I have no problem paying for apps. I just wish I could try them for 24 hours before paying because I've purchased a few turkeys.
    I really wish they could do something to this effect. The main reason I have trouble spending money on apps is that I'm really afraid that I'll regret buying it for one reason or another. Being able to try it prior to paying for it would definately ease my mind a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient James View Post
    IAs far as the general question is concerned, I charge for my apps because otherwise my family would starve.
    As a small business owner myself, I wholeheartedly agree. I love it when people want work done and expect that I can do it for free just because I'm good at it. Its like, "doing the work for you for free wont pay for my tools, the rent on my shop, the electricity to keep the lights on, the food I require to live..." Altho there are some people out there who have learned to program as a hobby and dont make their living off of it, most devs prolly went to school and dev software as a living.
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    Here, here! Or hear, hear? I think I suffered from this "socialist" mindset for a little while in the beginning of my journey with the Pre a few months back. Why should I sacrifice anything to enjoy the simple pleasures every Pre owner is entitled to? Bottom line was I felt like there was no intelligent reason to charge for an app/service that I was using for free on WinMo. I soon realized that selling "mobile apps" is just another way to grow our economy and keep capitalism alive. (And please, if someone mentions a certain film by a certain filmmaker that looks like the offspring of a pig and larger pig, and who also is behind on bathing about 5 years, I will literally isht myself)

    I have one question though. Has anyone thought about what the prices of apps are gonna look like on an HP tablet? Are devs gonna follow the same trend as the IPad and charge 10x to have a nice high res version? Will they use lube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevealaniz View Post
    I have one question though. Has anyone thought about what the prices of apps are gonna look like on an HP tablet? Are devs gonna follow the same trend as the IPad and charge 10x to have a nice high res version? Will they use lube?
    That's related by the fact that most developers don't get the revenue they need in the iPhone, and then they had chosen a different price model for the iPad (the fact that iPad sales will be much lower than iPhone sales is also related)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevealaniz View Post
    I have one question though. Has anyone thought about what the prices of apps are gonna look like on an HP tablet? Are devs gonna follow the same trend as the IPad and charge 10x to have a nice high res version? Will they use lube?
    as a developer - who also has titles on iPhone, i understand where you are going here - we are planning to released "high resolution" versions for the iPad, but does it justify charging an extra $$$ - hell no. unless we do something completely different for the new form factor and interaction model for a higher resolution, you should expect the binaries will be compatible across the too - for exactly the same price.

    in fact, we realized that even with the palm pre having a smaller market than the iPhone/iPod Touch, we kept our prices the same. i know users have been complaining about the webos versions being more expensive, i cannot see why they can justify this - you are annoying the most important person of all - your USERS!

    i'm an indie developer - i do not make a killing on my apps, but i do appreciate it when someone leaves a nice review and actually pays for the application. if palm would release info on all users who purchase it, i would also let users have a desktop version for free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    iPhone apps can offer in-app purchase where a developer can offer basic functionality for free and allow the user to upgrade the app for an additional price.
    you could technically offer payment gateways in your own applications via tools like esellerate.net et al - palm only asks you pay a $50 fee to submit the application to the catalog.. they do not have (i believe) any restrictions on what you do once it is in the catalog.

    the nice thing that apple provides is a simple, easy ecosystem for end-users, and you cannot beat that. just imagine having to use paypal, google checkout or even enter in credit card numbers direct within the webos applications to get "extra" pieces.. single click is the way to go, but it comes at a cost.

    i personally like that there is no free entry point for web os applications - i remember seeing on the iphone developers submitting app A, B, C, D, E - where A, B, C, D and E were different cities - it could have been a SINGLE application! free entry means flooding and saturation of the market - be thankful it isn't in place!

    2,000 good apps is better than 2,000 good apps lost in 100,000 crap ones. now, i dont justify all my apps are "good", but at least try out Cronk heh
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    Im kind of on the fence here. I do realize people need to make money, but your app is only worth what someone will pay for it. I always try to look for free apps because paid ones aren't always perfect nor blow my mind.

    Coming from an android phone every sort of app you could want had a paid and free. They were done by different guys but they still had them.

    Heres an example... The flight view app is $4.99 Its a flight tracking app. I went to their website and they have a mobile one that does the same thing the app does.... So to me that price is ridiculous.
  8. #28  
    I find myself buying a lot more apps now that I'm on WebOS. On Palm OS the apps were usually $8-$12, and some as much as $50. I gladly paid that for a good app. You get some really nice apps for $1-$2 for WebOS, which I think is amazing.

    People need the opportunity to be compensated for their work, and Palm for its infrastructure for the app catalog. If you don't like that and don't want to support being creative and putting some work in, just don't buy apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BORIStheBLADE View Post
    Coming from an android phone every sort of app you could want had a paid and free. They were done by different guys but they still had them.
    this is one reason why we dont officially support android - there is no value in doing so. the operating system has begun to fragment and the users have the wrong attitude when it comes to software - you cannot make it a viable alternative in the long run sucks, because it could be such a good platform to support - blame google for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter E Kurtz View Post
    I just saw the flashlight app. Flashlight. App. Costs $0.99. Are you kidding? Now, not to compare to the iPhone cause I realize they have a much larger user base to get your name out there, but I rarely see any good things to DL that don't cost money. Is there something I'm missing? Yes I realize people spend time and time is money, but some of these things are ridiculous. If you have a good app people (such as myself) will donate. But seriously, a quitting smoking tracker that costs $1.99?

    Someone tell me if I'm out of line here.

    EDIT: And I don't mean to sound condescending, there are apps that are 100% worth every penny and the people who work on them deserve it.
    Question: Do you have a job? If so, are you paid a salary?

    Would you be willing to turn down a salary in hopes that people will donate money to you for whatever it is that you do?

    From your question, it implies that you feel that everyone should be paid based on donations. Including yourself.
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    I just want to add my $0.02.

    I think Palm charging $50 to submit an App which you are charging for is more than reasonable. If anyone can give me an example of ANY other service that doesn't charge or take a percentage of your sales of your product, more power to you. I believe such services do not exist.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by ardiri View Post
    this is one reason why we dont officially support android - there is no value in doing so. the operating system has begun to fragment and the users have the wrong attitude when it comes to software - you cannot make it a viable alternative in the long run sucks, because it could be such a good platform to support - blame google for that!
    No doubt. I'm just pointing out the two differences. Plus different OS versions screwed up a lot.

    I don't have a problem buying a good app, but thats what it needs to be. Just like my example with the flight tracking app. $5.00????

    Don't get me wrong.... I wish I had the skills to make apps.. I have nothing but respect for these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter E Kurtz View Post
    Seriously? I spend money on food to stay alive...
    Really? You never buy any food or drink just because you like the taste?

    If you eat only to stay alive, then your food bill can be remarkably low since it's possible to stay alive on water, dumpster diving, fruits and veggies at the end of their shelf life, etc.
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    I find that people will litterally buy feces and put it on their grass... should they get it for free just because it came out a horses rear end?
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    If you don't want to pay for it, learn some css and javascript and make your oh so simple, not worth $2 smoking tracker for yourself and stick it on your device with WebOSQI instead. Or just don't buy apps you don't think are worth the money, instead of asking that developers live on ads or a donation model, because "obviously" if a user finds something useful, they'll donate. I have quite a few apps on my phone I paid for...drPodder, Grooveshark, Notes, Smiles, Twee/Tweed/TweetMe, Scoop, Digloo, Paratrooper, Glyder 2, Tangram, Tilt Origami, Blocked, Word Whirl, Word Freak, Wobble Words, Weatherbug, Geostrings, jChecklist. All because they obviously had a lot of work put into them, they were useful, and they coded up something I didn't feel like doing or had the time to do myself. I could code up a checklist app no problem...but I don't feel like it, so I paid $1 because someone else did it for me.
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    Get skybox, fun FREE game. No ads and not a lite version.
    Get Word ace and card ace, great free games.
    Get games when on sale.. SuperKO, Deer Hunter, Poker (with online play), Glyder, all $1.

    Get Tweed for 99cents, Best twitter app and only a buck.
    Use homebrew for Dr. Podder, free and updated more often than the paid.

    I agree, don't spend your dollar on an app that makes the srceen light up, that would be dumb on your part.

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  17. #37  
    Personally I'm happy to pay for a good app. It is a service that somebody has put time and money into creating, I would not expect to get a PS3 game or console for free, no would a expect a real-life calculator to be free.
    If I feel a desire to get that app and think the price is reasonable then I sure as hell will pay.

    oh and ardiri, thanks for bringing cronk over, it is really great fun to play. Bit addictive though
  18. #38  
    Like anything else, if you don't want to spend the money then don't buy the App. Pretty simple if you ask me. I don't like bagels, so I don't spend my money on them. I don't think Starbucks coffee is worth $4.00, so I don't buy my coffee there.
  19. #39  
    developers needs to get paid, just like the coffee makers
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    THat was my point, if no one wants to by the app it will go away, just like any other thing in the free market. Sure they deserved to get paid, if they make good apps. If not they won't get paid.
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