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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    I have a lot of doubts.
    1. The carriers don't want standalone apps, they want you to use their paid service.
    This is really the only point that I can debate (the others are all sound), but Palm has said that they won't be restricting application downloads to only the App Catalog and that you'll be able to download and install webOS applications from other sources. So since they'll allow that, carriers be damned, they can't stop us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    I have a lot of doubts.
    1. The carriers don't want standalone apps, they want you to use their paid service.
    2. There is a lot of work to make an application for all of the phone OS's out there, and there is already a pretty good product to compete with (Telenav, Sprint Navigation).
    3. I would guess it's a very small market compared to their standalone units, not worth the investment.

    Down the road it may happen, but I would guess it will be a long way. The Iphone doesn't have any turn by turn navigation and they are about to bring out their third gen device.
    true, but there is a PalmOS version of TomTom as well as a WM version.. so not unlikely there will be a webOS one..
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    But maybe not from TomTom, the latest version of Navigator, v7.0, was only released pre-installed on a couple of HTC devices in certain countries. There seems to be no plan to release this separately as with previous versions.
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    I can understand the draw of pre-cached maps for navigation, particularly in lower signal areas, but given the requirement of everything plans we have heard about which include sprint navigation, the question is size of market for the additional solution which will inevitably cost money. A large enough market could definitely be there, and it could come if another cell-carrier picks up a WebOS device as we have seen rumors about today. Of course then it comes down to storage and the amount of space required for maps and how that influences the decision-making. There are a lot of factors here that we will have to wait and see on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Kessler View Post
    This is really the only point that I can debate (the others are all sound), but Palm has said that they won't be restricting application downloads to only the App Catalog and that you'll be able to download and install webOS applications from other sources. So since they'll allow that, carriers be damned, they can't stop us!
    I'm not saying Sprint (or any of the other carriers) won't allow it, but they certainly won't go out of their way to get them on board. It's direct competition with one of their services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    true, but there is a PalmOS version of TomTom as well as a WM version.. so not unlikely there will be a webOS one..
    When was the last time you were able to update your maps?

    Edit: Just checked Tom Tom's site and the only PDA/mobile product is Navigator 6 with maps of Western Europe. No maps of North America for any mobile OS.
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    Wow, thanks all the responses guy's, good discussion going on. I am even thinking of the Sony Ericsson Idou, but it looks a tad ugly and whilst the OS is fast, it's no where near as stunning as WebOS. That's why I want a Pre, I see what your saying that as all Palm's OS have have Sat Nav software then why not WebOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    When was the last time you were able to update your maps?

    Edit: Just checked Tom Tom's site and the only PDA/mobile product is Navigator 6 with maps of Western Europe. No maps of North America for any mobile OS.
    TomTom is a dutch company so their focus would be on europe anyway..
    But you are right they seem to focus on dedicated boxes instead of software versions...

    mmm maybe Navman could make a WebOS version..

    I guess it is just a question if people would be prepared to pay for it... if there is enough demand they will build it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    TomTom is a dutch company so their focus would be on the US anyway..
    But you are right they seem to focus on dedicated boxes instead of software versions...

    mmm maybe Navman could make a WebOS version..

    I guess it is just a question if people would be prepared to pay for it... if there is enough demand they will build it..
    Exactly. I think the competition of the carrier provided navigation and the standalone devices as well as the many different mobile OS's the app has to support has made this a dead market. But I could be completely wrong, and I hope I am because I have TomTom on my 700p. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    Exactly. I think the competition of the carrier provided navigation and the standalone devices as well as the many different mobile OS's the app has to support has made this a dead market. But I could be completely wrong, and I hope I am because I have TomTom on my 700p. We'll see.
    You are
    Sat Nav software for PDA's and Smart Phones where you install the maps to the device are offered from:

    TomTom
    Route 66
    CoPilot

    These are what I know of, I think their are more. HTC Windows Mobile devices with built in GPS are shipped with TomTom version 7 installed and is not offered for sale from TomTom. CoPilot and Route 66 have consistently updated there mobile phone Sat Nav software every year so there is a market for it. CoPilot has been seen being shown on a T-Mobile G1 to show off how it works on Android so here's hoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apolloa View Post
    You are
    Sat Nav software for PDA's and Smart Phones where you install the maps to the device are offered from:

    TomTom
    Route 66
    CoPilot

    These are what I know of, I think their are more. HTC Windows Mobile devices with built in GPS are shipped with TomTom version 7 installed and is not offered for sale from TomTom. CoPilot and Route 66 have consistently updated there mobile phone Sat Nav software every year so there is a market for it. CoPilot has been seen being shown on a T-Mobile G1 to show off how it works on Android so here's hoping.
    Like I said, TomTom only has one product left, Western Europe. They used to support North America, you can't even buy the maps any more. They're not growing in this market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    Like I said, TomTom only has one product left, Western Europe. They used to support North America, you can't even buy the maps any more. They're not growing in this market.
    Your right. Garmin is the only one still left in the game with Mobile XT. I think it is a MUCH better product although the framerate is not as good as TomTom (Even with a class 6 SD card like mine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eguy View Post
    Your right. Garmin is the only one still left in the game with Mobile XT. I think it is a MUCH better product although the framerate is not as good as TomTom (Even with a class 6 SD card like mine).

    That's totally incorrect. Why are you guy's obsessed in thinking Garmin is the ONLY European mobile phone Sat Nav Software? Garmin in Europe does NOT sell Sat Nav for mobile phones, it now sells it's own mobile phones, here's the proof:

    On The Go

    CoPilot for Mobile Phones in Europe:

    CoPilot Live 7: ALK Technologies

    Route 66 for mobile phones:

    ROUTE 66, the personal navigation pioneer

    In fact CoPilot and Route 66 seem to ONLY sell Sat Nav software for mobile phones and have done for years and also update the software with new releases every year so their is still a market for it otherwise they wouldn't sell the software right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apolloa View Post
    That's totally incorrect. Why are you guy's obsessed in thinking Garmin is the ONLY European mobile phone Sat Nav Software? Garmin in Europe does NOT sell Sat Nav for mobile phones, it now sells it's own mobile phones, here's the proof:
    Actually, they're thinking the exact opposite - that Garmin is the only one that does North America for phones/PDAs.
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    There are certainly still options out there. I'm just looking at the way the wind is blowing. If I had to pick which option will be around in 5 years, I'd pick Telenav.

    If the carriers only provide aGPS and you are restricted to using the nav software on the network, what's the advantage of having a standalone app? And by the way the leaked specs on the Eos is aGPS, so I would bet the Pre is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Kessler View Post
    Actually, they're thinking the exact opposite - that Garmin is the only one that does North America for phones/PDAs.
    haha, that makes sense. It's difficult when different markets have different options
    I shall have to wait and see, I konw that Sony Ericson and Nokia will be supported by the software with the new Symbian Foundation OS. May have to go down that route It's difficult guessing the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave75 View Post
    There are certainly still options out there. I'm just looking at the way the wind is blowing. If I had to pick which option will be around in 5 years, I'd pick Telenav.

    If the carriers only provide aGPS and you are restricted to using the nav software on the network, what's the advantage of having a standalone app? And by the way the leaked specs on the Eos is aGPS, so I would bet the Pre is the same.
    Usually CDMA providers (Sprint and Verizon) block standalone GPS so we can't use 3rd party software like in the BB 8830 and 8330. Usually the GSM providers leave it on lke on the ATT BB Curve. I would not be surprised if Sprint locks it to telenav (which would SUCK). I still have a BT GPS reciever so I am not worried either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyusaku View Post
    MotionApps: More detailed and technical QA about Classic

    Q: Will Classic integrate into the webOS device hardware and to what extent?

    A: The ability of Classic to integrate with underlying hardware is limited. This means that Classic will not be able to access Bluetooth, wireless modem (phone radio), GPS, light sensors or accelerometer (nor the IR port – because there isn’t any on Pre). One exception to this is the network access which is fully supported. Also, there are some other hardware integration points in Classic: for example a PalmOS application can obtain IMEI, IMSI, ESN and similar identifiers from the modem, device’s serial number and some other information that is typically used by many PalmOS applications for purposes of product registration and licensing. This is done through a standard PalmOS APIs, just like on real PalmOS hardware.
    Perhaps this has changed for Classic v2 or webOS v1.2? The answer I got recently was " Stay tuned through our blog for all the latest info on Classic (MotionApps) as we have received similar questions and suggestions on adding Bluetooth support from our users, and this has been forwarded to our product management team. Suggestions like this one are balanced out on technical feasibility....etc"

    Anyway I have reported that TomTom largely works under classic, except of course for the turn by turn navigation since that needs GPS connection either through Bluetooth or the one on the Pre. See TomTom almost works under Classic
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    All these comments seem to think that web-reliant GPS is "real" or "modern" GPS but it is in fact poor-man's GPS. You are TOTLALLY dependent on the phone connection for all your data. Lose your phone connection, and it is good by GPS functionality. I use TOM TOM on my Palm 680 and would like badly to switch to something newer, but as new as they are, they all represent a step backwards when they use web-reliant so-called GPS.
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    The have an iphone app for North America and the maps for their devices and phones have always been interchangable. I have used Tom Tom for years on Palm and standalone.
    Europe and North America
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