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  1. #361  
    Quote Originally Posted by Goyena View Post
    This is an anonymous forum: it's *supposed* to be a collision of patchworked opinions, unfounded claims and colorful thoughts.
    I personally don't come to this forum for unfounded claims.

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    #362  
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    I personally don't come to this forum for unfounded claims.

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    And thank God. But really, I thought it was obvious that my list wasn't exhaustive. I can tack on an "etc." for the overly literal minded.

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  3. #363  
    Quote Originally Posted by Goyena View Post
    And thank God. But really, I thought it was obvious that my list wasn't exhaustive. I can tack on an "etc." for the overly literal minded.
    Patchworked opinions, colorful thoughts, "etc." are welcome.

    Unfounded claims (especially those that prey upon the hopes of the community) are not.

    Hence the reception in this thread.

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    #364  
    This thread is an example of the vetting process any idea will go through in the marketplace. Any idea must stand up to significant scrutiny along the way, it is a natural process. Today, in the digital arena we live in, ideas get a fire hose in the mouth evaluation so to speak.

    The problem in this thread wasn't that Chris had a bad idea, or I don't think it was even that it could not be done, in my opinion the problem was that he started off 1) as arrogant, not welcoming all comers, taking a rather "I know better than you, and your ideas don't matter" approach and rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, and 2) made some initial claims that were unfounded, could not be proven.

    I would have liked to see this idea develop here and I hope that if Chris does have a real project, albeit beginning at an earlier developmental point in time (conceptual, without proven working hardware), that he returns with a different perspective himself in order to facilitate a better relationship with a passionate webOS world.
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  5. #365  
    Quote Originally Posted by jdod View Post
    This thread is an example of the vetting process any idea will go through in the marketplace. Any idea must stand up to significant scrutiny along the way, it is a natural process.
    Agreed, but there is a pretty significant difference between polite, reasoned skepticism; and immediately and rudely accusing someone of being a liar. My personal opinion is that some of the replies stepped over that rather large divide very early on.

    he started off 1) as arrogant, not welcoming all comers, taking a rather "I know better than you, and your ideas don't matter" approach and rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, .
    My reading of the tread is that this is a pretty accurate description of the community's tones, not the OP; at least to start with. Discussions don't end well once punches have been thrown and if they were thrown, it seems to me it was by the community first.
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    #366  
    Quote Originally Posted by Andyf View Post
    Agreed, but there is a pretty significant difference between polite, reasoned skepticism; and immediately and rudely accusing someone of being a liar. My personal opinion is that some of the replies stepped over that rather large divide very early on.

    My reading of the tread is that this is a pretty accurate description of the community's tones, not the OP; at least to start with. Discussions don't end well once punches have been thrown and if they were thrown, it seems to me it was by the community first.
    Up until he made this statement on the 2nd page of his thread, he was just being asked for proof, real evidence that he had what he said he had. This is when he started going down hill, and he never recovered:

    Quote Originally Posted by chris3illiams View Post
    Our Devices won't run on terrible networks such as Sprint ...
    And I am not saying this because he was replying to me, I am use to people talking about Sprint being third class, but there was a professional way to reply to why he could not focus on Sprint, this was not it. Chris started the real negative talk here.
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  7. #367  
    That definitely turned me sour on it. Then I got over it.

    This guy is spending way too much time on keeping this going, imo. Might be going about things in completely the wrong way, but I do have this feeling that he's serious, even if doing things wrong. A lot of people demanding proof of things in the thread were just demanding entirely too much at this point, as well -- you can't just make webOS run on other devices right now -- the few people who've done it (Jason I think being the only one that I can recall) did it with a phone that was virtually identical to a TouchPad architecure wise, and it still didn't actually work.

    He seems to have dropped off of this forum, but he's still talking on Twitter. *shrug* As I said, I'm skeptical, but hey, if anyone wants to do whatever with webOS .. well, it's going to be an open source product, and good luck.
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    #368  
    Quote Originally Posted by eblade View Post
    Might be going about things in completely the wrong way, but I do have this feeling that he's serious, even if doing things wrong.
    Agreed completely, I do believe he was or is serious, he carried on too long to be a hoax in any way, I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by eblade View Post
    A lot of people demanding proof of things in the thread were just demanding entirely too much at this point
    Until he took it in the gutter, the only thing asked of him was to prove he had what he said he had, a working device.

    I hope he comes back, as well as others like him, with a better approach and proof.
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    #369  
    I always say this about rim, u shouldn't talk about what you are going to do instead laser focus on doing it then u can share with the world. efficency is a great deal.....
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    #370  
    keep up fellas... on twitter, he's now talking about how the app store will work!

    It's amazing what you can do in your house off an old kitchen table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    I personally don't come to this forum for unfounded claims.

    -- Rod
    Spot on Rod! I come here for information about how to get the best use from my webOS device(s). I have very little interest in speculation or somebody's fantasies.

    Any animosity in this thread developed because of Chris's refusal to directly answer any questions put to him
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  12. #372  
    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    keep up fellas... on twitter, he's now talking about how the app store will work!

    It's amazing what you can do in your house off an old kitchen table.
    His tweets are interesting. Fact or foe, you must give him props for devotion.

    "Our #webOS mobile phones will be made in America. For Americans by Americans."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ariker01 View Post
    His tweets are interesting. Fact or foe, you must give him props for devotion.

    "Our #webOS mobile phones will be made in America. For Americans by Americans."
    Updated slogan:

    "Made in America. For Americans by Americans. Unless you're on Verizon or Sprint cause we don't do CDMA."
    You come at the king. You best not miss.
  14. #374  
    ...Business is business and nothing personal. Just as long as I can convert your currency into U.S. Dollars.


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    #375  
    "Excited for on the verge"
    Last edited by gbp; 04/01/2012 at 07:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnotBoogie View Post
    Updated slogan:

    "Made in America. For Americans by Americans. Unless you're on Verizon or Sprint cause we don't do CDMA."
    Updated, updated slogan :

    "Made in America. For Americans by Americans. Unless you're on Verizon or Sprint because they are terrible ."
  17. #377  
    first hardware beta:

    How to build your own smartphone
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    And with Cantaffordit's report on the state of the art, it is probably time to close down this thread.
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