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  1. #241  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    I honestly think the phone they are making will be quite awesome, but no wifi without an SD card is shooting themselves in the foot. The 6700 is out NOW and comes with one of the most sensative wifi's I have ever seen. I'd say if they released this treo this month or next, it would be something to invest in (for verizon customers at least) but considering reality, I am happy I bought the 6700 and plan to use it.

    Once the 6700 gets it's first update and is released to consumers it'll be one incredible phone.
    I have to disagree with the wifi statement. Palm made a very sensible decision not including WIFI out of the box for this particular Treo. The facts are:

    1) This new one will be a VZW exclusive for the first half of the year.

    2) If you are buying this Treo you will be buying it for the advantages of EVDO which will probably be about $45/mo.

    3) If you have EVDO you will be surfing the web at speeds as fast as WIFI.

    4) If you are surfing the web at speeds the same as WIFI, the only use for having WIFI would be to access your own personal LAN.

    CONCLUSION:This new Treo is being targetting 95% at business professionals who have such a critical need for push email capabilities that they are willing to pay all that money for EVDO. WIFI to a personal LAN would not be a requirement for such individuals so it would make no sense for Palm to add the engineering overhead of building in WIFI. Instead, it is an option as an SD card for the other 5%.
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  2. #242  
    Except for the fact that the 6700 is already released on sprint WITH WIFI, EVDO, and BT and EVDO only costs $15 a month w/sprint or less if you get grandfathered in now. Believe what you want, you're only kidding yourself.
  3. #243  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    I honestly think the phone they are making will be quite awesome, but no wifi without an SD card is shooting themselves in the foot. The 6700 is out NOW and comes with one of the most sensative wifi's I have ever seen. I'd say if they released this treo this month or next, it would be something to invest in (for verizon customers at least) but considering reality, I am happy I bought the 6700 and plan to use it.

    Once the 6700 gets it's first update and is released to consumers it'll be one incredible phone.
    No Wi-fi is probably part of the deal with Verizon. Verizon is committed to EV-DO as a competitor to Wi-Fi. "Works in the airport and in the taxi."
  4.    #244  
    So my coworker got a reply from Gates:
    He said he was impressed with the WM platform and wanted to know what the future holds.

    Bill replied:
    "We've always believed that software could change the world for the better - we've seen that already happen in many ways, the future looks even more exciting"

    verbatim. No periods and very little punctuation - like it was typed on a mobiel device!
  5.    #245  
    theres a pic I took of his ipaq. Blurry as hell, I know. But it's the treo's camera.
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  6. #246  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    Except for the fact that the 6700 is already released on sprint WITH WIFI, EVDO, and BT and EVDO only costs $15 a month w/sprint or less if you get grandfathered in now. Believe what you want, you're only kidding yourself.
    I would appreciate some more info on Sprint's EVDO offering. I know Verizon has been building their EVDO deployment since 2003. I also know that Sprint got started on theirs sometimes much afterwards. Is Sprint's the same speed and technology as Verizon's EVDO offering? Meaning the same type of speed you would see at home on a DSL/Cable modem connection? And is Sprint's deployment available nationwide yet like Verizon's? Will it offer the same push email integration with Exchange that this new Treo will or is that something that Microsoft has tweaked for Palm?

    I am doubting that the answers to all those questions are Yes but if they are then it really poses a different question in relation to the new Treo. The question would then be Sprint vs Verizon and $15/mo vs. $45/mo which yields the obvious answer of going with WHATEVER phone Sprint is offering.

    If the answer is no then my point is that if you are buying the new Verizon Windows Treo it means you are committing to pay $45/mo for data because Verizon is the only place you can get their EVDO speed and Exchange push email service. And that if you are that high enough on the corporate ladder, to not care about that price tag, then you are not some tech guy who cares about getting WI-FI on top of it. (And you are also not browsing this thread )
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  7.    #247  
    regardless of Verizon getting the treo, it will be hacked and unlocked within a few weeks im sure.
  8. #248  
    Is Sprint's the same speed and technology as Verizon's EVDO offering?

    Yes

    Meaning the same type of speed you would see at home on a DSL/Cable modem connection?

    Yes, or as close to as the current network traffic will allow, same as verizon.

    And is Sprint's deployment available nationwide yet like Verizon's?

    Yes, they claim to have passed verizon just over the last 2 weeks actually, but this is speculation on both sides. They are about equal I would venture a guess, check the coverage maps of both carriers.

    Will it offer the same push email integration with Exchange that this new Treo will or is that something that Microsoft has tweaked for Palm?

    Yes, it will, wm05 support push email with exchange 2003 servers, palm is NOT getting special treatment.
  9. #249  
    Quote Originally Posted by sam-i-am
    regardless of Verizon getting the treo, it will be hacked and unlocked within a few weeks im sure.
    The bind between a CDMA phone and its carrier is more than a simple lock. Even if one could break the bind, where would one go. This is not like GSM where, in the absence of locks, any phone works with any carrier.
  10. #250  
    Quote Originally Posted by sam-i-am
    regardless of Verizon getting the treo, it will be hacked and unlocked within a few weeks im sure.
    hacking and unlocking doesn't matter as sprint is the only other major cdma carrier and they wont allow unknown esn numbers on their network. tat trick only works the other way.

    edit: drn beat me too it
  11. #251  
    Quote Originally Posted by whmurray
    The bind between a CDMA phone and its carrier is more than a simple lock. Even if one could break the bind, where would one go. This is not like GSM where, in the absence of locks, any phone works with any carrier.
    You could probably take it to Canada. But the moving expenses would probably take away any benefit of escaping VZW.
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  12. #252  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmite
    Is Sprint's the same speed and technology as Verizon's EVDO offering?

    Yes

    Meaning the same type of speed you would see at home on a DSL/Cable modem connection?

    Yes, or as close to as the current network traffic will allow, same as verizon.

    And is Sprint's deployment available nationwide yet like Verizon's?

    Yes, they claim to have passed verizon just over the last 2 weeks actually, but this is speculation on both sides. They are about equal I would venture a guess, check the coverage maps of both carriers.

    Will it offer the same push email integration with Exchange that this new Treo will or is that something that Microsoft has tweaked for Palm?

    Yes, it will, wm05 support push email with exchange 2003 servers, palm is NOT getting special treatment.
    That all sounds great but I thought you said the 6700 was out now? I am looking under PDA phones on Sprint's website and can't find it, let alone pricing/availability options for EVDO on it. Where are you finding this information?
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  13. #253  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    That all sounds great but I thought you said the 6700 was out now? I am looking under PDA phones on Sprint's website and can't find it, let alone pricing/availability options for EVDO on it. Where are you finding this information?
    It's on the business site...check it out

    http://uucurl.com/x.php?p=1326
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    #254  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    That all sounds great but I thought you said the 6700 was out now? I am looking under PDA phones on Sprint's website and can't find it, let alone pricing/availability options for EVDO on it. Where are you finding this information?
    http://www.sprint.com/business/produ...lPcsPhones.jsp
  15. #255  
    What's this with Vzn EVDO being 45$ a month? Where did you get that? Unlimited 1`x is that, I thought EVDO would be more. If It is 45 smackers, they better lower the cost of 1x quite a bit!

    I see this as strictly for Business, and especially those businesses with MS exchange servers- since it is seen as a BB killer. I note that the Vzn guy said it would be exclusively on Vzn Broadband- that would leave 1x people who do not want to pay even more than they are now - out of the running. If it only works on Broadband, and they force you into a high-priced bband plan (like they do now on the 650 forcing you into an unlimited 1x plan- or else), and all the talk Gates did about Exchange- will those with mere outlook and no exchange be left out too?

    Will you be able to sync to Palm aps DB, or forced to sync to Outlook? Will you be forced into wireless syncing- or can you keep their hands off your data by syncing with a cable/cradle? Lots of unanswered questions.

    I hope Palm survives this, and my preference for the Palm OS notwithstanding, it could be a brillant business strategy, or the beginning of the end- I really don't know which way it will go. Only time will tell who's right.
    "Everybody Palm!"

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  16. #256  
    Quote Originally Posted by sam-i-am
    Man this thing is going to crash or lose connection during the demo, I swear.
    yep, right whe the "demo god" was trying to show off some type of radio feature. he said he'd come back to that part of the demo but never did.
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  17. #257  
    I don't know for sure that VZW EVDO is $45/mo. I was just kind of guessing it couldn't go up any higher for handhelds. I know EVDO for a laptop is $80/mo.

    As for Sprint, I am still trying to find this $15/mo for EVDO on Sprint, but if it is that low, I am seeing why. Because I am definitely NOT finding Shadowmite's claim to be true about widespread EVDO coverage for Sprint. Look at the links below.

    http://www.sprint.com/business/produ...adelphia,%20Pa

    http://www.sprint.com/business/image...ia_PA_EVDO.gif

    There are a couple of tiny map spots in Cherry Hill, NJ and DC where EVDO works but nowhere else in the NYC-DC corridor. The rest is either planned deployment or nothing. No wonder this thing has WIFI, you'll need it without EVDO being available.

    Even in Los Angeles, and Boston there is next to nothing....

    http://www.sprint.com/business/produ...0Angeles,%20Ca

    http://www.sprint.com/business/image...on_MA_EVDO.gif

    If your seeing this work Shadowmite then your home must be built on one of those little spots.
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  18. #258  
    Who makes this thing anyway? It doesn't seem to have a brand now that I can find. I don't care much for the keyboard. If I wanted a slide I would prefer the Samsung i730 which doesn't have a camera . And ironically I think everyone talked me out of the slide after I argued for it vigorously in a separate thread.
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  19. #259  
    its too bad they dont make a treo with a slide. i would like to see one where the kb is always exposed and as it slides it reveals more screen real estate. you wouldn't think it would be too difficult to do. just build i with a thin kb over the screen.
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