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  1. #61  
    EVDO is a HUGE plus... and quite frankly, the platform stability itself will be a huge plus.

    I can understand the software issue (with having to buy new)... but like it or not, WM5 is MUCH more stable than POS.

    I'm not sure how often 240x240 (if confirmed) would bother me... but I know how happy I would be without the freezes and resets I get daily with my 650.
    <br><a href="http://www.theused.net/"><img src="http://www.theused.net/images/buddyIcons/buddy_used_02.gif"></a><br><br>Forever in search of the next best thing... is that the 700w?
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    Which gives me what advantage?
    It finally came to me what the advantage would be...you could charge it while you use the IR (or BT) keyboard. As it is now, you can't stand the treo straight up and charge it while you are typing. However, if it was laid to the left, you could charge it (and *safely plug in the audio jack) while you were typing if you could put it into landscape mode.
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  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe
    Having used EVDO for over 2 years now, I would go back to a monochrome screen before I gave up EVDO - it's a function over form thing. To each their own.
    Woohoo...Green-screen treo! Don't let Palm hear you!
  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by RicoM
    Woohoo...Green-screen treo! Don't let Palm hear you!
    Heh - you're right: Today's jokes are tomorrow's marketing plans!
  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe
    Heh - you're right: Today's jokes are tomorrow's marketing plans!
    Let's put in a plug for a "C" prompt while we're at it - maybe even Dos 4.1, the last truly stable Microsoft OS!

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    Here is a new one.. have not heard this before:

    I do not find the square 240x240 screen to be a problem (I don't play games though) and while a 320x320 screen would have been nice, the larger pixel size lets them capture more light for better outdoor readibility.
    ???

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    #67  
    Same article bunch of screen shots of 240x240 (mostly GPS navigation stuff):

    http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=166&page=2

  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    It finally came to me what the advantage would be...you could charge it while you use the IR (or BT) keyboard. As it is now, you can't stand the treo straight up and charge it while you are typing. However, if it was laid to the left, you could charge it (and *safely plug in the audio jack) while you were typing if you could put it into landscape mode.
    Ok, I'll buy that for a dollar. Don't know about the 700w though. Have been thinking of missing all the icons I've designed in Agendus and am having problem with the idea of it. I'm guessing Pocket Outlook has no such feature.
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  9. #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    Ok, I'll buy that for a dollar. Don't know about the 700w though. Have been thinking of missing all the icons I've designed in Agendus and am having problem with the idea of it. I'm guessing Pocket Outlook has no such feature.
    Only a $1 I thought long and hard for that benefit.

    I don't use agendus but I am going to keep an open mind about this 700.
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  10. #70  
    Me too. May as well. Doesn't look like there is going to be a 700P for quite awhile so why not consider it?
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  11. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by gex
    Same article bunch of screen shots of 240x240 (mostly GPS navigation stuff)
    Slightly OT. Does anyone know if any GPS nav apps are WM5 compatible? TomTom say:

    "TomTom NAVIGATOR 5 is currently not compatible with PDAs running the Windows Mobile 5 operating system. As a forerunner of navigation software TomTom is constantly weighing new possibilities for its current and future products. To stay on top of the latest news from TomTom, please sign up for our electronic newsletters under “My Profile” in you’re My TomTom account or alternately check our website frequently."

    Doesn't sound exactly imminent!
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    #72  
    Quote Originally Posted by marcol
    Slightly OT. Does anyone know if any GPS nav apps are WM5 compatible? TomTom say:

    "TomTom NAVIGATOR 5 is currently not compatible with PDAs running the Windows Mobile 5 operating system. As a forerunner of navigation software TomTom is constantly weighing new possibilities for its current and future products. To stay on top of the latest news from TomTom, please sign up for our electronic newsletters under “My Profile” in you’re My TomTom account or alternately check our website frequently."

    Doesn't sound exactly imminent!
    mapopolis web site says WM5 is supported...
  13. #73  
    The Treo 700w with cheesy 240x240 rez was the obvious choice. Here's the options Palm determined upon (& HP too):

    240x240
    The Good: Cheaper than jalapenos in hell. Compatible at least with HPs communicator and some previous WM apps. Software rewrites only require length reduction / scrolling, rather than true scaling if both dimensions differ from the standard. The smaller screens on smartfones reduced the density somewhat, so that the weak rez is a little sharper than a typically fuzzy QVGA PDA screen. Faster video and less power required to push less pixels.
    The Bad: Basically 1/2 the resolution of the Treo 650 that this is supposed to upgrade from. 240x240 is non-compatible with loads of current PPC/WM software and will require rewrites that may or may not come for quite some time due to only a small cross-section of devices using it verses the huge QVGA installed base.
    The Decision: We've been in biz this long doing sidegrades and downgrades. Let's make the least painful choice and maybe they won't care. 240x240 should be enough for anyone.

    240x320
    The Good: Cheaper than 1 1/2 jalapenos in hell. Best WM Compatibility.
    The Bad: Requires a hardware form factor change for a sliding / flipping / removed keyboard ... or worse a smartfone as long as that insane HP PDA with QVGA & keyboard & the Hitachi H1000, which required luggage rollers on the ends to haul them around.
    The Decision: We already had to beg Bill for a loan to pay HTC for just refresshing the look, no way we could make a real change. Too risky to change a market leading form factor too.

    320x320
    The Good: Doubling the resolution is much needed. Economies of scale with current Palm OS parts suppliers and inventory. At least a sidegrade to the 650s quality.
    The Bad: Requires more juice and horsepower to push pixels especially in WinMolasses5. More money. Running the only WM device with 320x320 would require scaling every current app if possible, writing new in-house Treo apps, and instability and innaccuracy in almost ever current WM app.
    The Decision: This is what should be, but the incompatibility issues are a total deal breaker.

    480x480
    The Good: Quadrupling the resolution would be nothing less than sweet. Upgrade to current 650. Better compatibility with some VGA apps than 320x320 would have been.
    The Bad: Requires even more juice and horsepower to push pixels with WinMolasses5. More money especially since we would be exclusive in the world for this screen size / rez. Running the only WM device with 480x480 would require patching most current apps, writing new in-house Treo apps.
    The Decision: Well, there's a lot of negatives here, but who cares ... once we saw the price go up then forget it.

    160x160
    The Good: $25 for a lot of 5 million!
    The Bad: Incompatible with anything WM.
    The Decision: Incompatibilty is a total deal breaker. But trust me on this one, we tried to figure out every way possible to shoehorn this flee market rez into the 700w before giving up. No problem tho, we'll make sure it only has 32MB RAM to infuriate everyone.
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  14. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    My understanding (I could be wrong) is that the 700w will have:

    BT 1.2 v. 1.1
    1.3 mp cam v. VGA
    WM5 (which I thought was much improved over wm2003 - or whatever is in the 6601)
    EVDO v. slow

    Those look like upgrades to me. Can my eyes tell the pixel difference between 320x320 and 240x240...I'm not sure.
    I did some research because my next phone has to have BT stereo and found that WM5 currently only supports BT1.1. However, Microsoft is planning an feature pack release to upgrade to 1.2. So by the time the 700 is out it MAY have BT 1.2 unless it has already been committed to.
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  15. #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    I did some research because my next phone has to have BT stereo and found that WM5 currently only supports BT1.1. However, Microsoft is planning an feature pack release to upgrade to 1.2. So by the time the 700 is out it MAY have BT 1.2 unless it has already been committed to.
    That blows.

    I guess I can keep my fingers crossed...don't know how much good it will do me.
    Palm III-->Palm IIIxe-->Palm 505-->Samsung i300-->Treo 600-->PPC 6600-->Treo 650-->Treo 700wx-->BB Pearl--> BB Curve

  16. #76  
    A2DP coming early next year, possibly integrated into the Treo 700w from the start?

    A2DP Profile
    I've had a question asked by Mohammed on when will Windows Mobile support the A2DP profile natively.

    If you aren't familiar - A2DP is the Advanced Audio Distribution Profile which provides support for streaming either mono or stereo audio over Bluetooth.

    The A2DP profile is introduced in AKU 2.0 of Windows Mobile - the same deliver vehicle for the Messaging and Security Feature Pack.

    Then - not only will you be able to get Push Email - but you'll be able to listen to your music without wires!
    http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archi...16/493281.aspx

    Surur
  17. #77  
    I wonder if this would make me want the 700w.

    Would be very nice listening to stereo music via BT.
    Make It Happen!!
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  18. #78  
    My only beef is that I have a 320x320 on my Treo 650, and web pages and emails are already cramped and malformed enough even with hi-res fonts. Going down to a 240 width screen means web pages are scrunched that much more. This is one of my issues with the HTC wizard/i-mate k-jam/HTC 8125, it's a 320x240 screen. At least the width will be the same in landscape mode, but still smaller than the 650. I want MORE not less. Besides web/email 240x240 is not a big deal, but those are what I use 50% of the time on my Treo.
  19. #79  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    A2DP coming early next year, possibly integrated into the Treo 700w from the start?



    http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archi...16/493281.aspx

    Surur
    Being that the Feature Pack includes functionality for push email, and that the 700w is being advertised to support push email with Exchange, I would say it is highly likely the Feature Pack will be pre-loaded on the 700w. SOooo it looks like BT stereo will be supported. That's a VERY nice feature that pushes the Palm/WMM seesaw back towards WMM, for the next 5 minutes at least.
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  20. #80  
    i am considering the Treo for myself, to use business and personal - wondering if i should wait for the 700w or go ahead with the 650 now...
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