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    In one of the pictures published on engadget, the screen is operating in landscape mode. Now if the screen is 240x240 then that would make it a perfect square. Can some please enlighten me as to what advantage there would be to rotating a perfect square into landscape mode? Am I missing something or shouldn't the picture look exactly the same?!?
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    I posted this somewhere else but if you use the new treo with the ir keyboard, then with landscape, you can lay it on its side instead of standing it straight up.
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    Of course it will be 240x240. Why should only PalmOS fans have to live with Palm hardware compromises?
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    I posted this somewhere else but if you use the new treo with the ir keyboard, then with landscape, you can lay it on its side instead of standing it straight up.
    Which gives me what advantage?
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    Choice?
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    Can someone post a side by side screenshot of a 320x320 & 240x240 image so we can see what the difference looks like?
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    http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000240060534/

    Its not really that bad. The above are obviously fake though (screens too clear, and white frame).



    This one is real. Its often been said that WM fits in more in 240 than Palm in 320, as the real 320 baseline resolution is 160, whereas on WM 240 is the baseline resolution, and the high res version is 480. (I know you can reduce font size, on 320, but thats not the default)

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    If you're not aware of it, Windows Mobile has an anti-aliasing capability called "ClearType" that improves the look of all text in most all applications. It effectively gives you higher resolution display for text. It doesn't do anything for pictures, though. I have a Win Mobile 2003 PPC and a Treo 650 and can compare the differences. I'd be pretty happy with a 240 x 240 display if the brightness, contrast, and color saturation of the display were equal to the T650. The Treo 650 has the best display, by far, that I've ever seen on a mobile device !
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    Thanks Surur for the pic, although it's kinda hard to really tell what is looks like still. What devices use 240x240 so I can go see one in my hands?
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    http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/prin...ont_paginate,1

    The HP 6715/ HP 6515 uses a 240x240 screen. Its only slightly bigger than the Treo. Its out in UK, but has not reached USA yet.

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    the review says 240x320
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    To go back to Bob-C's original question:

    "Because they can."

    It's not an intended feature for the Treo, it's just native to WM5 (screen rotation came with PPC 2003 2d ed if I'm not mistaken). Great for QVGA and VGA screen, but no practical value for Treo, except to lay it on its side on a folding keyboard so you can keep the power supply plugged in while doing long typing jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masseyc_99
    the review says 240x320
    Its definitely 240x240.

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    If Palm made this, it makes perfect sense. Palm's history of underpowering its units is well known here and is the incentive to get people to whine about paying for 2 years ago's technology with the obvious inducement to upgrade. The 600 having 32MB or RAM was pathetic. The 650 with 32MB was unforgivable.

    It's only a matter of time until Palm see's it's customers move away to the competition... perhaps the license of the form factor is one indicator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    If Palm made this, it makes perfect sense. Palm's history of underpowering its units is well known here and is the incentive to get people to whine about paying for 2 years ago's technology with the obvious inducement to upgrade. The 600 having 32MB or RAM was pathetic. The 650 with 32MB was unforgivable.

    It's only a matter of time until Palm see's it's customers move away to the competition... perhaps the license of the form factor is one indicator.
    If you think you'll be any better off the competition, you're deluded. Palm are no different to any other business. ALL manufacturers and marketing guys successfully screw over the consumer [1] by giving as little as possible in each model. That way they ensure you'll lust after the next year's new "improved" model. Why else would HP put a 240x240 screen in the 65xx when 320x320 screens have been around for years - especially when GPS mapping is so high on the feature list?

    It's all down to what they can get away with. The majority of WM buyers have lower expectations of the screen than Palm users, so will settle for 240x240 because text and fonts are no worse than on their 320x240 PPC. The few that complain will buy it anyway, and shell out again like mugs when the shiny MkII is eventually dangled in front of them.

    Away from the PPC world, users would scream blue murder if they downsized a PalmOS device to 240x240, simply because the market demands the minimum defacto standard of 320x320. But Palm know most of their buyers for the 700w will come from the corporate sector where Microsoft and Blackberry are king, so a few whinging geeks are a non issue.

    At the other end of the spectrum, Nokia fanboys wet themselves over the "new" 176*208 screens with 8 lines of text. If the screen was all important, how come they're not all jumping ship and buying the HTC Hurricane which has QVGA at half the cost?

    [1] Maybe that's a bit strong - we obviously think our exploitation is acceptable otherwise we wouldn't buy and rave about these toys in here.
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    I'm wondering if the new Treo is 240x320. It just wouldn't make sense to me flipping it into landscape otherwise. But the screen looks square. I still don't get it.
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    Since Palm does have some control over how WM5 is used in the Treo devices... why would they downgrade the screen?

    It would almost be more of a cost to develop the components to use the lower res screen than to use the one that is being mass produced for EVERY other Treo.

    I'll hold out for the official specs. (with my fingers crossed!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by broxman
    If you're not aware of it, Windows Mobile has an anti-aliasing capability called "ClearType" that improves the look of all text in most all applications. It effectively gives you higher resolution display for text. It doesn't do anything for pictures, though. I have a Win Mobile 2003 PPC and a Treo 650 and can compare the differences. I'd be pretty happy with a 240 x 240 display if the brightness, contrast, and color saturation of the display were equal to the T650. The Treo 650 has the best display, by far, that I've ever seen on a mobile device !
    Well, I've been using PPC as well. I'm forgiving almost all the issues Treo has only for being able to work with small fonts in Blazer and DocsToGo.
    Its display fits much more than 240x320 of PPC.

    And as for me, ClearType simply sucks.

    So if T700W will have 320x320 - I will get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treosixoo
    Thanks Surur for the pic, although it's kinda hard to really tell what is looks like still. What devices use 240x240 so I can go see one in my hands?
    Look for an HP hw6510/hw6515 in the US (Cingular). It's got 240x240 although it's running MWM 2003 Phone Edition. In many other ways, it's a close competitor to the 650.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreoDeJaneiro
    Since Palm does have some control over how WM5 is used in the Treo devices... why would they downgrade the screen?

    It would almost be more of a cost to develop the components to use the lower res screen than to use the one that is being mass produced for EVERY other Treo.

    I'll hold out for the official specs. (with my fingers crossed!)
    The only influence Palm has had on WM5 it to add a few application interface tweaks (which you can see from the pres conference). They haven't touched the core OS or hardware spec. Because they're jumping into the Windows world they have to take a wider view, so the Treo needs to work with as many WM applications as possible to gain acceptance. WM developers code to WM standards to reach as wider hardware base as possible, not to cater for just one peculiar device. So that means VGA, QVGA, 240x240 or 480x480. As 480 square screens aren't being manufactured yet, you can guess which it'll be - especially as this will mean compatablity with HP and Motorala communicator devices.
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