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    What about the whole new browser only available in China thing? Wouldn't the two stories conflict (assuming a late Jan Pro release)?

    Then again the keynote with the 800w in it was almost 6 months prior to the 800w's release......
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    I don't get it. Why would one version of the same model of phone come with a new browser? Wouldn't that be more like a Treo 860?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichChestmat View Post
    I don't get it. Why would one version of the same model of phone come with a new browser? Wouldn't that be more like a Treo 860?
    maybe the will just use an "e" to designate the model with the new browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    maybe the will just use an "e" to designate the model with the new browser.
    That's definitely a possibility. 850enhanced perhaps. Or 850expired,


    Anyway, anyone know when China’s Samsung Omnia is hitting the market? That's supposed to get the new browser first, so whatever date that's released, the Treo Pro should be released after that date, if the story about China getting the new browser first is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichChestmat View Post
    I don't get it. Why would one version of the same model of phone come with a new browser? Wouldn't that be more like a Treo 860?
    Its the same model number but a different phone GSM vs CDMA, but they seem to have changed more than that (CPU speed/performance is rumoured to be better) so the truth might be in the middle and calling it the 855 would be more approriate... based on the 850 series but slightly improved..
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    Why does this have to be spirit? why can't it be a "rest of world" rom for vodafone or o2 or some other non-american carrier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Why does this have to be spirit? why can't it be a "rest of world" rom for vodafone or o2 or some other non-american carrier?
    Could be, but I have a UK Vodafone Treo Pro and it is identical to the US one as far as I can tell..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Its the same model number but a different phone GSM vs CDMA, but they seem to have changed more than that (CPU speed/performance is rumoured to be better) so the truth might be in the middle and calling it the 855 would be more approriate... based on the 850 series but slightly improved..
    The change in speed is very possibly from the switch from GSM to CDMA.

    According to Mal, phone on CDMA are typically a bit quicker and more responsive than their GSM counterpart, even when they're essentially the same hardware wise.

    Dunno why that'd be the case, but I've learned to generally trust Mal on things.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Why does this have to be spirit? why can't it be a "rest of world" rom for vodafone or o2 or some other non-american carrier?
    Palm's putting more focus on the North American market, I think. The NA market seems to be somewhat more controlled than the global markets (especially on the CDMA side). If Palm can get a placement with a carrier, they are pretty much guaranteed to move a boatload of phones. The global market has a lot more competition coming from unlocked phones and more open networks.

    Anyone who's ever tried to get an unlocked CDMA phone to work with Sprint or Verizon can tell you how easy it is to use an unlocked phone.

    There are some networks that are building up who have a big focus on unlocked phones, but those networks are generally small and locally based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebag333 View Post
    The change in speed is very possibly from the switch from GSM to CDMA.

    According to Mal, phone on CDMA are typically a bit quicker and more responsive than their GSM counterpart, even when they're essentially the same hardware wise.

    Dunno why that'd be the case, but I've learned to generally trust Mal on things.
    That's what I based my statement on too

    I wonder if the GSM processing uses up part of the CPU so on the CDMA phone there is more CPU power left over?
    Otherwise it makes no sense that the same hardware would act different..

    Or perhaps CDMA uses less power so Palm could set the CPU a bit faster without sacificing battery life...
    That way the hardware is still the same (except the phone transmitter bit off course) but the CPU would be 'overclocked' slightly so be a bit faster..
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    Either explanation is possible.

    I'm still looking for a definitive answer that CDMA takes less power than GSM. I've read extremely detailed articles/posts from both sides that claim their side uses less power than the other.

    And of course it doesn't help any that the different networks use slightly different technologies. Power requirements from Verizon to Sprint won't be the exact same.

    The GSM processing part you mentioned seems to make the most sense to me. If I was a betting man, that's where my money would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Could be, but I have a UK Vodafone Treo Pro and it is identical to the US one as far as I can tell..

    Sure but it's a bit of a leap to say "palm GSM = carrier agreement with carrier X"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebag333 View Post
    Either explanation is possible.

    I'm still looking for a definitive answer that CDMA takes less power than GSM. I've read extremely detailed articles/posts from both sides that claim their side uses less power than the other.

    And of course it doesn't help any that the different networks use slightly different technologies. Power requirements from Verizon to Sprint won't be the exact same.

    The GSM processing part you mentioned seems to make the most sense to me. If I was a betting man, that's where my money would be.
    Funny my money would be on the other theory
    Maybe the future will tell..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    Sure but it's a bit of a leap to say "palm GSM = carrier agreement with carrier X"
    how do you mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebag333 View Post
    I'm still looking for a definitive answer that CDMA takes less power than GSM. .
    That is a meaningless distraction anyway. 80 to 90% of the smartphone's power is not used for calling. That is why much smaller batteries on dumbphones can last a week.

    If you don't change the screen size or brightness, or the bluetooth or the 20 or 30 functions that are not telephone calls, GSM to CDMA battery use for connection is only a small fraction of the equation for most users,

    I have had phones I used for three hours on a call and died that could also go ten days on standby. If you ue bluetooth on your calls you are reducing any difference (If there is any). If yditto if you use speakerphone.
    If you are using your phone for an hour of media per day the amount of battery you use for that isn't changed between gsm and dcma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    That is a meaningless distraction anyway. 80 to 90% of the smartphone's power is not used for calling. That is why much smaller batteries on dumbphones can last a week.
    It's not calling that is an issue, really.

    Go get a battery meter, and look at how much power the 800w uses sitting there doing nothing. Turn off the radio, and watch that power requirement drop.

    While it's not a lot compared to say active bluetooth or WiFi, it's a significant number, especially when you consider that most of us leave our radio on all day long (which you don't with bluetooth or wifi).

    Even if one is say 10% more power efficient than the other, then that makes a very significant different at the end of the day.

    When I absolutely need every drop of power a common trick I'll use is to turn off the radio, especially if I'm using the phone but don't need the connection available (IE: using bluetooth/Redfly for spec manuals, or using WiFi). Doing this makes a very noticeable difference in how long I can use the device. Done this trick with my 700wx and my 800w.

    And of course, active data usage is a rather large power hit. Since I use lots of data, how efficiently the phone radio works (power wise) and the impact that has on the battery is something I'm very curious about. Again, this is something that is going to be different from CDMA to GSM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebag333 View Post
    It's not calling that is an issue, really.

    Go get a battery meter, and look at how much power the 800w uses sitting there doing nothing. Turn off the radio, and watch that power requirement drop.
    Well I have checked the power usage in several usage conditions and with various features a lot. I had two (even three) 800Ws concurrently for a very long time so I was able to do a lot of checking. (my own view is that gps privacy has very little effect, and obscure things like irda default on have a lot of effect)

    All in all GSM power usage vs CDMA is very very dificult to compare because for example I find even GSM in the US uses more power than GSM in Europe! I think this has to do with the tower density ad more urban life in Europe which is extremly high. you are really never very far from a tower and this has a big effect. Phoens use much more power when getting a bad signal.

    But beyond that I was point to the fact that the smartphones of the same model and same specs but different only in GSM vs CDMA cannot be compared by talk or standby time anyway in looking at the effect of a larger battery.

    Talktime and standby time are growing less and less relevant as metrics. Lighting and driving the screen takes the same power, running the bluetooth takes the same power. Watching a 90 minute video clip or listening to a couple of hours mp3s on the plane take the same power, taking pictures takes the same power etc.

    Now on the Pro vs the 800w the specs are not the same. The gps operates slightly differently. and that could have an effect either way. the processor is faster on the Pro and that also may consume slightly more capacity (for some operations).

    So it is going to depend on a multiplicity of factors.

    I think it is likely Palm would have liked to put a large battery in the 800w in hindsight, but that is just hindsight. The touch pro is a capacity starved beast as well.

    I think we all agree that 1500 ma is definitely going to reduce the number of people who have a problem with battery life.
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    To get to the topic of the thread I am not convinced or even incline to think that was a CDMA Pro. I have doubts (but no evidence) the case will be identical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    All in all GSM power usage vs CDMA is very very dificult to compare
    I think that's what I've been saying from the start.
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    http://www.wmexperts.com/sprint-treo-pro-specs-finally

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    i will leave the who it is to: and from:
    enjoy guys, i have been pestering this dear Sprint exec freind of mine FOREVER!!

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    goodnight, ill check on you tomoorow at work from my treo


    Subject: Treo PRO launch-1/25/09

    Treo™ PRO by Palm® Handset Launch

    Start: 1.25.09

    The Treo™ Pro by Palm® is a feature rich Windows Mobile 6.1 OS PDA which is a perfect balance of robust productivity and simplicity. Features include embedded WiFi with a dedicated short-cut key, A-GPS, EV-DO REV.A and a 2.0 mega pixel camera. This device has an updated stylish and slim form factor design. Data services run on Sprint’s Nationwide Mobile Broadband Network.

    Key Features

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    · 512MB program memory (DDR) 256 non-volatile memory (300MB of user storage)

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    · Instant-on WiFi short-cut key - WPA/WPA2 certified

    · Bluetooth v2.0 and A2DP Stereo Bluetooth enabled, enjoy the convenience of hands-free communication by using headsets, car-kits and other Bluetooth-compatible devices

    · Sprint Mobile Broadband with Power Vision – EV-DO REV.A

    Unique Features

    · Thinner Windows Mobile Treo product with 320 x 320 touch panel display

    · Full QWERTY keyboard and one-handed navigation and touch-screen

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    · 128MB program memory (DDR) and 256 non-volatile memory (175MB of user store)

    · 2.0 Megapixel resolution Camera for still and video shots with BPP Basic Printing Profile

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    Supported Services:

    · GPS Navigation Enabled, supporting both consumer applications such as Sprint Navigation, Telenav and Garmin, along with supporting third-party location based data applications such as Telenav Track, Xora, Airclick, @Road, Actsoft, Gearworks, and Vettro, which are popular with businesses.

    · Pocket Express - to retrieve customized, up-to-date web content such as sports, weather, news, money and movie information with the push of a button.

    · Sprint TV to watch the latest news, weather, sports and more.

    · Sprint Music

    · Sprint IM – Yahoo, AOL AIM and MSN Messenger

    Pricing:

    SRP: $549.99; 2 Yr Net $399.99; Flat Rate $249.99; Point of Sale Price: $249.99

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