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  1. #181  
    Quote Originally Posted by beachboy View Post
    I thouight the 800w was microUSB and the TP was miniUSB?
    Yes, which is what I just said in my previous post lol.

    Touch Pro's MiniUSB

    http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/...o_bottom_2.jpg

    Treo 800w's MicroUSB

    http://www.everythingtreo.com/images...-treo-800w.jpg

    http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/palm...00w_smartphone

    Read the last part right before the Camera section and look at the picture, they're clearly different sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by treotraveler
    The mini USB ports on the 800w and Touch Pro are the exact same size. Just different styles of mini ports. The board inside the 800w mini USB port is smaller than the board inside the Touch Pro mini USB port.

    If you would look at the 800w and Touch Pro mini USB ports, you would see what I am talking about.....
    MiniUSB is a standard - for something to be MiniUSB, it has to be the same size as a reference MiniUSB port/connector. If it is, then it's not MiniUSB. Imagine the kind confusion we'd have if Motorola's MiniUSB was different from HTC's MiniUSB or RIM's MiniUSB and so on and so on...
  2. #182  
    Treo 800w uses MicroUSB, not to be confused with MiniUSB which is used by the Touch Pro. The terms "MicroUSB" and "MiniUSB" are industry specific and different types of ports.

    Picture: Mini vs Micro USB
  3. #183  
    Quote Originally Posted by treotraveler View Post
    Using the A2DP defaults....



    Edit....

    I use to have to connect the wireless headset first, then connect the source on the 800.

    It does not matter which is connected first on the Touch Pro.
    I've found with my 800w, that if I start Sprint Navigation first, sometimes the audio won't go to my Moto T505, but if I start the Moto T505 first the audio always properly goes to the Moto T505 as it should. But with Kinoma Play, it does not matter what I start first, the music audio always starts going to the Moto T505 once it is on. I guess the Touch Pro always knows to send the audio to the BT device.
  4.    #184  
    Thanks Trevante for chiming in. I have not tested all those items yet. You just saved me from doing it as I am out of town and exhausted.

    Micro is the 800.
    Mini is the Touch Pro, BlackBerry's, Mogul, Touch, etc.

    Thank God because I have 2 car chargers, 4 wall chargers, cradles and more with mini. Micro sucks! What a waste that they moved away from mini. I remember reading that it would be the standard. I am glad it didn't stick.

    Since I just read a post where a member asked about a screen protector being shipped with the 800.

    The TP comes with everything that the 800 ships with it but they also include a 2G memory card and screen protector.
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    #185  
    What I'm curious to hear (and what I don't think has been discussed much) is the usability of the TP as compared to the Treo. My own smartphone usage pattern can best be described as a pendulum: I swing from the no-nonsense stability and usability of WM Treos to the sexy/stylish HTC devices, and then back again once I get fed up with HTC's typical slow and buggy (but darn pretty) devices.
    Currently I've got an HTC Touch, but am looking to maybe pick up a cheap 800w as I find this thing slow and not terribly usable.

    Since VRGT is still in the honeymoon phase of his TP ownership, it's probably hard to get an accurate answer - but I'd love to hear how usable the TP is relative to a Treo. Once the glitz and glamor wears off, do you find yourself missing the ease and quickness of the Treo when doing repetitive tasks? Thanks,
  6. #186  
    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantRedGT View Post

    The TP comes with everything that the 800 ships with it but they also include a 2G memory card and screen protector.
    The HTC Touch Pro comes with everything they advertise it to have, unlike the 800w, which does not have the advertised stand alone GPS. The TP coming with a 2GB MicroSDHC card out of the box is nothing to blink at, it's a nice addition. More and at a cheaper retail price. Plus, even if you don't need the 2GB card, you can sell it to help offset the price paid for the TP.
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    #187  
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell View Post
    The HTC Touch Pro comes with everything they advertise it to have, unlike the 800w, which does not have the advertised stand alone GPS. The TP coming with a 2GB MicroSDHC card out of the box is nothing to blink at, it's a nice addition. More and at a cheaper retail price. Plus, even if you don't need the 2GB card, you can sell it to help offset the price paid for the TP.
    How much are you going to offset the price by selling a 2gb micro SDHC card? $10?
  8. #188  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gottria View Post
    How much are you going to offset the price by selling a 2gb micro SDHC card? $10?
    I was awaiting that response. Point is, even $10 is $10 more than you had before. They offer the 2GB card given the Touch Pro is an older HTC model. With their Touch HD (not available in the USA) they're giving 8GB MicroSDHC cards. This is an additional little "goodie" HTC is providing that Palm is not adding in. While the Treo 800w retails at a higher price. Palm is offering less for more.
  9.    #189  
    Plus like mentioned the retail prices are $579 vs. $599 (800) and the TP comes with standalone GPS, 2G Memory card and screen protector. Maybe the memory card and screen protector aint much but standalone is priceless.
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  10. #190  
    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantRedGT View Post
    Plus like mentioned the retail prices are $579 vs. $599 (800) and the TP comes with standalone GPS, 2G Memory card and screen protector. Maybe the memory card and screen protector aint much but standalone is priceless.
    Don't forget about the 2.5/3.5mm headset adapter. So nice.
  11. #191  
    Last edited by Malatesta; 12/12/2008 at 04:01 PM.

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  12.    #192  
    How about I post videos from the Touch Pro vs. the 800 and we compare those? Talk about poor video quality, the 800 is even worse. Luckily I don't use the video option. I use a real camera. Want to compare picture quality while we are at it? How about standalone GPS again?
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  13. #193  
    Video as in 2D & 3D multimedia display performance, not camera.

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  14.    #194  
    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Video as in multimedia display performance, not camera.
    Yeah, I'm talking 30 second video clip from the 800 and Touch Pro.

    Again, you had creditbility when you didn't post in the forums. Don't the mods call it baiting. Infraction/Daycare points for you!
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  15. #195  
    I thought we already established that the Sprint HTC Touch Pro is NOT the same as all others? So is anyone with a Sprint HTC Touch Pro complaining about video performance?

    Like VRGT, the most video I'd use a handheld for is GPS routing and perhaps a video here and there. Both of which VRGT has been fine with. Those complaining about video appear to be into gaming, I can't say I do much in the way of video games. (I'm the guy who still uses an old PS2, on the off occasion I want to play a game.)

    Also, are those complaining about video using Touch Flo, which uses some resources?

    And really, even if the Sprint Touch Pro has slower video performance, it trumps the 800w in so many other areas, the Touch Pro is still a better buy. For the additional retail price, the 800w SHOULD trump the Touch Pro in more than video.

    People are using Sprint Navigation and Kinoma Play at the same time with the Touch Pro with no problems, even when making or receiving calls. That's never been a statement I could make about the 800w.
  16. #196  
    Can one of you Sprint Touch Pro owners go to Settings, System tab, Screen, Clear Type tab and let me know if Clear Type is enabled/checked? This has been found to be a performance drain on the Treo Pro. I wonder if it's on in the Touch Pro by default? (It's not on in the 800w by default.)

    If Clear Type is on in the Touch Pro, I suspect disabling that and disabling Touch Flow results in screaming fast performance.
  17. #197  
    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Video as in 2D & 3D multimedia display performance, not camera.
    Oh, goodness... don't post anything negative about his beloved touch pro!

    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    I thought we already established that the Sprint HTC Touch Pro is NOT the same as all others?
    No... more than likely not...

    But the touch pro seems like an odd jump from an 800... although, I'm sure it is a fine device, I'm still waiting for my true 800w replacement... whenever that arrives. I'm thinking the windows mobile 6.5 update might be the ticket...
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  18.    #198  
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell View Post
    Can one of you Sprint Touch Pro owners go to Settings, System tab, Screen, Clear Type tab and let me know if Clear Type is enabled/checked? This has been found to be a performance drain on the Treo Pro. I wonder if it's on in the Touch Pro by default? (It's not on in the 800w by default.)

    If Clear Type is on in the Touch Pro, I suspect disabling that and disabling Touch Flow results in screaming fast performance.

    Mine was was enabled (checked). I just unchecked that box and its a totally different device. It is way more snappier than the 800. Why is it even on there?
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  19. #199  
    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantRedGT View Post
    Mine was was enabled (checked). I just unchecked that box and its a totally different device. It is way more snappier than the 800. Why is it even on there?
    I find the 800w to be MUCH more readable with ClearType on, and don't see any slowdown.
  20. #200  
    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantRedGT View Post
    Mine was was enabled (checked). I just unchecked that box and its a totally different device. It is way more snappier than the 800. Why is it even on there?
    Once again, as I suspected... Clear Type does "antialiasing", that's a fancy tech word that means it makes letters and other things displayed look smoother and less ridgy on their edges. (Here's a MS page about it, I have not read much of that particular page, but we studied some of this when I was in grad school, so I'm pretty familiar with it.) You'll probably notice a difference visually with it turned off. Depends on the viewer how much you might notice the difference. But coming from the 800w (which has Clear Type off by default), you probably won't mind the difference.

    Basically, you've been offering results that are superior to the 800w with the Touch Pro still not actually as near equal in configuration as possible. With Touch Flow off and Clear Type off, you've not got your Touch Pro configured much more like the 800w's default configuration. (You've still got Joint Stereo on in A2DP, which I think might be off in the 800w by default, but that's only going to come into play when using BT audio. And if I had a Touch Pro I'd have Joint Stereo on in A2DP.)

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