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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    CorePlayer crushes Kinoma in terms of speed and quality of video playback.
    You can find "classic" players with certain features that are faster or more mature. For example, CoreCodec's AVC decoder is currently faster than ours, primarily because they've spent years on it while ours is brand new. (Quality-wise, there's no advantage.)

    However, this is good time to reinforce that Kinoma Play created a new kind of product -- the mobile media browser. Audio/video playback is part of that, but the revolutionary bit is the larger context of how Kinoma Play makes mobile media (especially on-demand mobile media) work. In terms of user experience, support for services from Audible to YouTube, and features like Kinoma Guide, there are no other products that compare to Kinoma Play. Not for iPhones. Not even for PCs.

    Although Kinoma Play isn't the best at every media task yet, I think it's a good thing that there are multiple developers competing for your patronage.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  2. #42  
    AVC is the codec that everyone should use on their mobile phones. CorePlayer being faster than Kinoma means that it uses less power and less resources while looking great.

    As for playing YouTube, there are tons of free apps that YouTube just fine. Not sure why we need to pay for one. Can Kinoma do Sirius or XM yet? There are free players for those too.

    Kinoma seems like a jack of all trades and master of none.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    CorePlayer being faster than Kinoma means that it uses less power and less resources while looking great.
    CorePlayer isn't faster. It's AVC decoder is (for now), but Kinoma Play's is more than fast enough for 3G streaming.

    You can't assume "less power and less resources", because video decoding is just one part of a symphony of playback processes. Try some battery life tests with streaming MPEG-4 content to see what I mean.

    Even if you're limiting comparisons to MPEG-4 functionality, I recommend broadening your horizons a bit -- CorePlay doesn't support aacPlus (a.k.a. HE-AAC), much less aacPlus v2 (HE-AAC v2). Plus, Kinoma Play has "real" Dolby AAC decoders that are faster and higher quality than anything else available.

    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    As for playing YouTube, there are tons of free apps that YouTube just fine.
    Sure, and Kinoma FreePlay (free) supports YouTube far better than any free apps or hacks that you'll find. You don't have to take my word for it...try it!

    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    Can Kinoma do Sirius or XM yet?
    We're following them closely, but from the looks of the stock (23 cents as I write this) they might be gone before we get the chance.

    Kinoma Play and FreePlay do have amazing support for SHOUTcast (free) and Live365 (as low as $5.95/month), plus Kinoma Play also supports over 1,000 Clear Channel stations (free). Even if you don't want to subscribe to music, Kinoma products already gives you a much broader and deeper selection than satellite radio.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  4. #44  
    CorePlayer is certainly faster than Kinoma when doing high bitrate AVC decoding. Back to back tests show CorePlayer as being much higher quality than Kinoma. No one mentioned streaming except you.
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
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    Kinoma seems like a jack of all trades and master of none.


    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
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    No one mentioned streaming except you.
    Well of course he mentioned it and frankly, that's an area where Kinoma is king, because it provides the well spring of streaming providers in an easy to access format. Kinoma also organizes media on a device very well.

    When it comes to video codecs, you may have your point. But for someone like myself, who when it comes to media use the Treo for music way more than watching movies, Kinoma Play wins hands down. It organizes the media files well and provides access to many good audio providers. These areas are where Kinoma is more than a jack but very much the master in that domain. (I don't have or want Sat radio. Don't need it when I've got thousands of Internet stations to choose from, for free.)

    If MS was smart, they'd buyout Kinoma tomorrow and have it in the next WM release.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    CorePlayer is certainly faster than Kinoma when doing high bitrate AVC decoding.
    Yep, and I confirmed that their AVC decoder was faster than our current implementation in my first response to you. If your priority is local, high-bitrate AVC playback, then we won't be your first choice for that.

    But I hope you'll at least keep Kinoma FreePlay around for the things that it does better than anything else. For example, with its excellent Orb support you could keep those same files on your home PC and stream them to your phone on-demand.

    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    No one mentioned streaming except you.
    I just made the point that "Kinoma Play is more than fast enough for 3G streaming" to help explain what our priorities were for the first release. (Kinoma Play and FreePlay aren't yet 3 months old.)

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell View Post
    Well of course he mentioned it and frankly, that's an area where Kinoma is king, because it provides the well spring of streaming providers in an easy to access format. Kinoma also organizes media on a device very well.

    When it comes to video codecs, you may have your point. But for someone like myself, who when it comes to media use the Treo for music way more than watching movies, Kinoma Play wins hands down. It organizes the media files well and provides access to many good audio providers. These areas are where Kinoma is more than a jack but very much the master in that domain. (I don't have or want Sat radio. Don't need it when I've got thousands of Internet stations to choose from, for free.)

    If MS was smart, they'd buyout Kinoma tomorrow and have it in the next WM release.
    I agree with that. As a media player, Kinoma is lacking compared to better alternatives. As a "media hub", it works well. I'm not trying to bag on Kinoma. I've tried it and like CorePlayer much, much better. With the battery life of the Treo 800w being so poor, CorePlayer beats Kinoma since it decodes more efficiently. Streaming and the 800w don't work too well together.

    Since it sounds like the OP doesn't want to spend money on a player so TCPMP would be a great choice. It also does AVC video and other popular codecs. It also does streaming and YouTube if you want to push your battery to max.

    Still not sure why Kinoma won't/can't support Sirius or XM. I don't have a subscription to either but listen to both regularly in my rental cars. They also have exclusive content that can't be found anywhere else which may be important to their approx. 20 million current subcribers.
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post

    Still not sure why Kinoma won't/can't support Sirius or XM. I don't have a subscription to either but listen to both regularly in my rental cars. They also have exclusive content that can't be found anywhere else which may be important to their approx. 20 million current subcribers.
    That request was made for Kinoma to add it. But Kinoma never tells what they are working on. I'm sure with 20 million subscribers, Kinoma Play will make some sales if they add it.

    I want Kinoma to add BT remote control, AVRCP. And easier means for exiting the application.
  9. #49  
    Is this the official version of CorePlayer you're speaking of, nsxprime? Because there were some bootleg versions going around for a while too.

    http://www.coreplayer.com/
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    As a media player, Kinoma is lacking compared to better alternatives.
    Well, no. It's not possible to arrive at that conclusion based on the relative speed of one decoder from one product.

    Here's an actual, unbiased (but not complete) feature chart created by Werner Ruotsalainen, who's very technical and has actually used both products: http://www.winmobiletech.com/122007M...mingChart.html

    That chart captures the kind of low-level feature details you're focused on. But it doesn't capture some of the most important aspects of Kinoma Play and FreePlay that make even Kinoma FreePlay a must-have. Things like:

    • The beauty and fun of the Kinoma Play and FreePlay next-gen user experience, which somehow works just as great across both flavors of Windows Mobile, on touch and non-touch screens, on screen sizes from 176x220 to VGA+, etc.




    • Exclusive "native" support for some of the world's best media services. Kinoma pioneered YouTube on mobile, but on top of that there's Audible, Flickr, Live365, SHOUTcast, and more.


    • Our excellent customer support, and our enjoyment of talking with existing customers and future customers alike.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  11. #51  
    "next-gen user experience"? Do buzzwords like that actually work?
  12. #52  
    Charles, since you're here, searchmash was down earlier today. It stopped google and yahoo image search form working. =/
    Treo Pro on Vodafone UK X 2
  13. #53  
    Does anybody know if there are any media players for the TP that support Divx?
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  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Does anybody know if there are any media players for the TP that support Divx?
    CorePlayer does, of course. AVI is so common that it's surprising that Kinoma can't play it.
  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    "next-gen user experience"? Do buzzwords like that actually work?
    Well, I figured it was more polite than calling other products' user experiences "clunky", "stuck in the 90s", etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    AVI is so common that it's surprising that Kinoma can't play it.
    AVI is dead except for illegally-distributed content on torrent networks, so it's more a matter of where we choose to focus our resources.

    For anybody who needs to play legacy file formats, I recommend either using Orb to stream them (HD sources work fine), or doing a quick-transcode for anything you want to keep on a storage card.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by RichChestmat View Post
    Charles, since you're here, searchmash was down earlier today. It stopped google and yahoo image search form working. =/
    Searchmash is a Google site/service that we use for Google image search, but it seems to be working okay.

    I'm not sure why Yahoo image search didn't work for you, but it seems okay now as well.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
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  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles@Kinoma View Post
    AVI is dead except for illegally-distributed content on torrent networks, so it's more a matter of where we choose to focus our resources.
    Yes, the Moderator who asked the question must be doing a lot of illegal file sharing.
  18. #58  
    Which format are current DivX videos in? Because DivX itself AIN'T dead!
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  19. #59  
    Charles,

    Please stop inferring that users and potential customers are sharing illegal files because they ask for a common video format. It's insulting.

    Please also be reminded that Kinoma does not play the sound when playing back video recorded on the device that Kinoma is running on.

    Thank you.
    Treo Pro on Vodafone UK X 2
  20. #60  
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles@Kinoma View Post
    AVI is dead except for illegally-distributed content on torrent networks, so it's more a matter of where we choose to focus our resources.
    Well, I don't think that "mostly pirates use it" is a good reason to not support a given file format. I certainly understand that you need to focus resources and can't support everything -- but a lot of people are getting more savvy with video and use divx and avi for their own backups and, yes, public domain stuff.

    Side note: Home taping is not killing music.
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